Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: NWH on February 19, 2008, 07:45:23 pm
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I thought i`d get the ionic brush out yesterday and give it another go,after doing a house with it i went and inspected the window`s only to find that there were an awful lot of spotting every where.I did the back of the house again with it and still spots,i then changed to my yellow cleantech brush and did the fronts and they came up perfect.I think this is the same problem people have with the vikan rectangular brush,the bristles are very similar to the new ionic brush and some wc`s i know have also had this probleem with using this brush.
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??? Im confused, I thought you loved/used the ionics brush? Luke
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oh yeah, got a spare pump today just incase!!! Luke
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yep the ionics brush is one useless article all it has ever done is leave spots i have tried 3 different jets even stripped the bristles away to let the water through absolutly useless i use mine as a yard brush now waste of money >:(
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I love Tucker brushes!!!!!! I've got them fitted to all my Ionic goosenecks
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i use the ionics brush, the dual trim straight mono, not the crinkle, all the time and find it a good brush, quite stiff for first cleans and scrubbing bird poo. ive also just brought a cleaning spot dual trim mono and i used that for the first time this week and i like it, its like the ionics but not quite so stiff, funny how everyones got a differant opinion
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From what I've read on here Tucker Brushes always seam to get a good review I can't remember reading any negatives about them.
Thinking of trying one but can they be fitted to plastic angle adaptor or do they need to be modded in some way?
Also, what kind of weight do they come in at? and what price are they?
Wayne
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I thought i`d get the ionic brush out yesterday and give it another go,after doing a house with it i went and inspected the window`s only to find that there were an awful lot of spotting every where.I did the back of the house again with it and still spots,i then changed to my yellow cleantech brush and did the fronts and they came up perfect.I think this is the same problem people have with the vikan rectangular brush,the bristles are very similar to the new ionic brush and some wc`s i know have also had this probleem with using this brush.
The bristles seem completely different to Vikans rec. I really don't see why it would cause spotting. And if you did the front again with another brush, wouldn't that say something about it being cleaned twice? I'd say ofcourse the second clean is going to be spotless? I highly doubt that a company like Ionics would use a brush that would leave spots, and how would a brush leave 'spots' anyway? I'd say something else is the matter. But hey, I'm not wfp yet. I'm just trying to use logic here.
You were full of how great the brush was in older threads and how much you loved it. What happened?
Are we talking about the multipole brush here? Crinkle monofil or not?
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I thought i`d get the ionic brush out yesterday and give it another go,after doing a house with it i went and inspected the window`s only to find that there were an awful lot of spotting every where.I did the back of the house again with it and still spots,i then changed to my yellow cleantech brush and did the fronts and they came up perfect.I think this is the same problem people have with the vikan rectangular brush,the bristles are very similar to the new ionic brush and some wc`s i know have also had this probleem with using this brush.
The bristles seem completely different to Vikans rec. I really don't see why it would cause spotting. And if you did the front again with another brush, wouldn't that say something about it being cleaned twice? I'd say ofcourse the second clean is going to be spotless? I highly doubt that a company like Ionics would use a brush that would leave spots, and how would a brush leave 'spots' anyway? I'd say something else is the matter. But hey, I'm not wfp yet. I'm just trying to use logic here.
You were full of how great the brush was in older threads and how much you loved it. What happened?
Are we talking about the multipole brush here? Crinkle monofil or not?
I`m on about the new ionic brush,and i said i also did the windows again with the ionics brush and they still spotted,i also did some windows again with my cleantech and they were perfect.The ionics brush is to stiff with cold water is the conclusion i`ve come to it`s fine on PVC but on wooden windows it causes problems.
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I thought i`d get the ionic brush out yesterday and give it another go,after doing a house with it i went and inspected the window`s only to find that there were an awful lot of spotting every where.I did the back of the house again with it and still spots,i then changed to my yellow cleantech brush and did the fronts and they came up perfect.I think this is the same problem people have with the vikan rectangular brush,the bristles are very similar to the new ionic brush and some wc`s i know have also had this probleem with using this brush.
The bristles seem completely different to Vikans rec. I really don't see why it would cause spotting. And if you did the front again with another brush, wouldn't that say something about it being cleaned twice? I'd say ofcourse the second clean is going to be spotless? I highly doubt that a company like Ionics would use a brush that would leave spots, and how would a brush leave 'spots' anyway? I'd say something else is the matter. But hey, I'm not wfp yet. I'm just trying to use logic here.
You were full of how great the brush was in older threads and how much you loved it. What happened?
Are we talking about the multipole brush here? Crinkle monofil or not?
I`m on about the new ionic brush,and i said i also did the windows again with the ionics brush and they still spotted,i also did some windows again with my cleantech and they were perfect.The ionics brush is to stiff with cold water is the conclusion i`ve come to it`s fine on PVC but on wooden windows it causes problems.
NWH, I bought one of them new Ionic brushes on your recommendation. Using cold WFP the brush head is too stiff, with hot it's ok, the old Ionic comm head is better for splaying, Vikan mono is better and Tucker is even better.
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It`s a good hot brush i`m not doubting that at all,i`ve submerged it in hot water and it`s much better but when cold ike you say it`s to stiff.I`m going to re-jet the tucker and give it another go,the vikam mono`s are rubbish in my opinion.
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It`s a good hot brush i`m not doubting that at all,i`ve submerged it in hot water and it`s much better but when cold ike you say it`s to stiff.I`m going to re-jet the tucker and give it another go,the vikam mono`s are rubbish in my opinion.
(REF: Vikan mono)
They're a bit like the new: (best hot) Ionic crinkle, but a little softer and also work better hot than cold. I bought my mono vikan, used it for a couple days and threw it in the shed. Couple months later I gave it another go to get use to it and prefer it with hot for frequent regular cleans but not for initial cleans.
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It`s a good hot brush i`m not doubting that at all,i`ve submerged it in hot water and it`s much better but when cold ike you say it`s to stiff.I`m going to re-jet the tucker and give it another go,the vikam mono`s are rubbish in my opinion.
(REF: Vikan mono)
They're a bit like the new: (best hot) Ionic crinkle, but a little softer and also work better hot than cold. I bought my mono vikan, used it for a couple days and threw it in the shed. Couple months later I gave it another go to get use to it and prefer it with hot for frequent regular cleans but not for initial cleans.
I must have the old multipole brush then? Because mine certainly isn't crinkle???
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It`s a good hot brush i`m not doubting that at all,i`ve submerged it in hot water and it`s much better but when cold ike you say it`s to stiff.I`m going to re-jet the tucker and give it another go,the vikam mono`s are rubbish in my opinion.
(REF: Vikan mono)
They're a bit like the new: (best hot) Ionic crinkle, but a little softer and also work better hot than cold. I bought my mono vikan, used it for a couple days and threw it in the shed. Couple months later I gave it another go to get use to it and prefer it with hot for frequent regular cleans but not for initial cleans.
I must have the old multipole brush then? Because mine certainly isn't crinkle???
God GQC what`s up with you lol,the new ionic brush is not cinkle mono that`s the old one.
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My appologies for confusing you with my last post. The new (best hot) brush from Ionics I was referring to was the commercial one and it isn't crinkly, just stiffer bristles.
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Edit : He just replied, nvr mind.
Wayne thomas said this :
They're a bit like the new: (best hot) Ionic crinkle,
Looks like he said new Ionics brush is crinkle. ;)
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To be honest i think the majority of the brushes work better with hot water,especially the stiffer mono type brushes.
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To be honest i think the majority of the brushes work better with hot water,especially the stiffer mono type brushes.
How come you can get away with rinsing on (even if it's tilting the brush) with a flocked brush like Cleantechs? It might be good, but isn't that a disadvantage?
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To be honest i think the majority of the brushes work better with hot water,especially the stiffer mono type brushes.
How come you can get away with rinsing on (even if it's tilting the brush) with a flocked brush like Cleantechs? It might be good, but isn't that a disadvantage?
You`ll have to explain your question a bit better,what are you asking.
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Most WFP users swear that they have less problems rinsing with the brush on IF they use a mono filament brush.
I believe NWH agreed with that comment too some time ago.
Now NWH swears by his new Cleantech brush which has flocked bristles which goes against 'mono filament brushes are best' (because they trap less dirt in the bristles) rule, so you are sending out mixed messages.
I swear by mono filament brushes because they don't trap dirt in the bristles whereas 'flocked' ones do which is why so many WFP users rinse off the glass.
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I use a mono filament brush all the time and it`s a salmon with bristles that arn`t available anymore in the particular brush that i use,i use the cleantech brush on downstairs work and with that brush i tilt and rinse half on half off.With the salmon brush for tops i rinse on the glass,the ionics brush is a totally different brush to the one i use daily.
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Thanks Wayne, that's exactly what I ment.
Thanks NWH for the answers. Sucks that particular Salmon isn't available anymore. :)
So what do you think causes the spotting? Trapped dirt in the bristles? Not properly jetting water? Maybe need to up the flowrate?
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Thanks Wayne, that's exactly what I ment.
Thanks NWH for the answers. Sucks that particular Salmon isn't available anymore. :)
So what do you think causes the spotting? Trapped dirt in the bristles? Not properly jetting water? Maybe need to up the flowrate?
The main cause for spots is not using enough water if rinsing with brush on. It is easier to rinse brush on with a mono filament than a flocked though because they don't trap the dirt in the bristles so easily. Because the flocked bristles sit on the glass, they just lightly agitate the dirt whereas the mono ones splay against the glass and remove the dirt easier whilst scrubbing the glass more thoroughly, so easier to rinse.
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Yea I can understand that, but what I can't understand is, that a brush can cause spotting. What would make that brush spot, and another one not? (Serious question). I mean, okay it doesn't splay aswell with cold, but that can't be the cause?
Makes me wonder if the brush wasn't contaminated somehow. (Not having a dig at you NWH)
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Yea I can understand that, but what I can't understand is, that a brush can cause spotting. What would make that brush spot, and another one not? (Serious question). I mean, okay it doesn't splay aswell with cold, but that can't be the cause?
Makes me wonder if the brush wasn't contaminated somehow. (Not having a dig at you NWH)
I find that when using the ionics brush on painted frames it causes problems ie (spotting) because it digs out all the rubbish round the edges and makes it more hassle for rinsing cos of more debris on the glass,a slightly softer brush tends to be less aggresive on the paintwork therefore less bits to rinse away.Like i said it`s ok on PVC window`s but stay away from wooden ones with it if i were you,and as for my flowrate it`s good as with my brush i rinse on the glass as you know especially upstairs.
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i agree with that as well. i use the ionics brush, cold, and think its good on upvc, but when i do painted windows i ve got a cleantech brush set up on another pole, and on my hybrid ive the cleaning spot dual trim as its not so stiff as the ionics and that seems ok for most windows.
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PITTMONKEY,
hows it going pal, havent heard from you for ages :'(
Have you seen 10 men yet, david wilson site
8) 8) 8) 8) ;)
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These guys have 3 crinkle old Ionic multipole brushes left in stock, gotta call em or email them! I bought one to check it out. :)
http://www.windowcleaningsupplies.net/prod_show.asp?id=113
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ive got one of those, its rubbish. the bristles get tangled up and block the jets and the whole brush loses its shape after a while, ive tried putting it in hot water to make it go back to its correct shape, but that didnt work either. (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/DSC00177.jpg)
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sorry about the size of picture, dont know how to re-size
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(http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploader/2007Q2/DSC00177 (600 x 450).jpg)
there you are
right click your mouse over my picture and click on save picture location, change the picture location of your picture to the one in my post.
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how do you do that please,
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Personaly i think it has a lot to do with how the bristles retain water & how good the flow is through them.
I tried a crinkle mono & the bristles were actually water repellent, the brush was bone dry after use. so for rinsing you were actually only using 2 x 2mm jets of water as the bristles held no water in them at all. The results were rubbish.
The vikan mono does have a minor issue of being a tad too stiff IMO, but is an excellent all round brush, it retains enough water to clean well & if jetted correctly allows a perfect flow. I've used mine for around 10/11 months & never changed back to anything else yet. the vikan mono does get better the more you use it mind.
The vikan flocked is also a top brush IMO, both are better when the excess plastic stock is trimmed off them too. Only rectangular ones though, i'm not fond of any oval brush! ;)
Tony
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how do you do that please,
Use this
http://www.picresizer.com/download/PicResizer.exe
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Aaaargh, this is just rubbish seriously. 100 people have 100 different opinions on brushes. Ridiculous. How can you be a starter with wfp, and sort through out all this?
New Ionics brush isn't good, get the old one was said, then somebody posts here with the old one, saying it's rubbish. Well atleast I've got 3 brushes to try out when I start lol. :P
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If you want to play it safe i would say get a yellow cleantech for downstairs and a mono brush for upstairs,with the mono it`s easier for rinsing on upstairs as the mono will retain lees dirt in the bristles.You`ll be playing it safe with these 2 brushes and if i`d have known this from the start i would have saved over £450 on brushes in the past.
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Okay, I do have the mono Vikan already, I'll give the Cleantech brush a go. Thanks NWH. :)
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On a vikan brush do you preferr pencil jets or fan jets?.....tee.hee! ;D
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Steven thats not the new brush mate this one is and its nearly a year old and still excellent no spots no
problems with it at all .....but the old brush was mega crap i will agree mate
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ive got that brush to and i like it, the crinkle is only 6 months old, i dont know if they still sell them or if its just old stock
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ive got that brush to and i like it, the crinkle is only 6 months old, i dont know if they still sell them or if its just old stock
Yes I've been told it's old stock.
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i always used ionic brushes as thats what came with the system.then i tried the new unger brush and the difference is amazing.we used to clean brushes twice a week because of allthe dirt they hold,had new brushes a month now and no need to clean them as far as i can see.