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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mo on February 16, 2008, 11:22:42 am
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Hi guys be honest with me ;D i am looking for a 45ft pole i want your comments bad and good on the telescopic or the super light2 from gardiner ???
cheers guys n be honest
Mo 8)
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:o ::) >:(
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well you wont catch me fannying around putting bits of fishing pole together when I'm on a customer's premises.
I've seen advice from the man gardener to apply wd40, tape and a whole load of other crap. Apparently the sections get stuck together, one poor bloke had to leave his amazing pole at a job because the sections wouldnt undo. Seems to me they are just not suitable for the purpose. (they are suitable for fishing though, which is what they were designed for)
I watched the video of him putting it togther, LOL could have finished the house using a normal pole in that time.
telescopic pole every time for me.
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Got a 45ft SL2 Gardiners, its amazing, brilliant pole, only weighs 1.8kg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Luke
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i got one of these about 4 weeks ago.. superlight easy to use. as i live on the coast and clean a lot of seafront hotels its great, just start at the top remove a section do next set down etc etc till you get to ground floor. quick tip. i bought a cheap golf standbag and as i unship each section, just put it in the bag easy!!!
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A golfbag?
You are joking, right?
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not at all, you dont have to drop each section on the floor, they cant roll away, or as there so light blow away.
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any negative about this pole ???
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sorry no negative ..... buy one...... :) :)
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ok thank you ;D
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I've seen advice from the man gardener to apply wd40, tape and a whole load of other crap.
Where? .....I dont think so. Get your facts straight before you go maiigning another forum member.
Mo the Gardiners and paticulary the Emporium are the lightest 45fters on the market. having used both for a few years, I would go with the modulars, but you need to have an open mind about how to use them.
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well you wont catch me fannying around putting bits of fishing pole together when I'm on a customer's premises.
I've seen advice from the man gardener to apply wd40, tape and a whole load of other crap. Apparently the sections get stuck together, one poor bloke had to leave his amazing pole at a job because the sections wouldnt undo. Seems to me they are just not suitable for the purpose. (they are suitable for fishing though, which is what they were designed for)
I watched the video of him putting it togther, LOL could have finished the house using a normal pole in that time.
telescopic pole every time for me.
Has anyone ever suggested to you that you're really rather an obnoxious individual?
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Has anyone ever suggested to you that you're really rather an obnoxious individual?
only on here. ;D
and I dont care about what people say about me on here. I say what i think (which after all is the point of a forum), and I'm not sorry if that offends
but you need to have an open mind about how to use them
meaning "dont be suprised if it breaks in your hands.
but to look on the bright side, you could clean some windows AND catch yourself some supper at the same time (if you live by the sea.
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Well I have just bought a superlite and think it's great!
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Well I have just bought a superlite and think it's great!
Tony what it's great about it
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Hi guys be honest with me ;D i am looking for a 45ft pole i want your comments bad and good on the telescopic or the super light2 from gardiner ???
cheers guys n be honest
Mo 8)
I haven't bought a telescopic pole from Gardiner's yet. I do have their Superlite 2 though. Obviously, the big advantage of the Superlite 2 is its low weight. Personally, I dislike the modular concept for run of the mill jobs. It's absolutely fine for longer runs of windows where you don't need to regularly adjust the length of the pole. I have done a few jobs now where a lighhtweight modular pole such as SL2 has been a real plus. However, I wouldn't dream of using it (or any other modular) as my main pole because I do mostly domestic.
This is, of course, just my personal view. Some people are happy usimng such a pole as their main pole. Personally, I reckon I would keep leaving sections behind on jobs with a scatter brain like mine.
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Cheers guys ;D for all the comments
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well you wont catch me fannying around putting bits of fishing pole together when I'm on a customer's premises.
I've seen advice from the man gardener to apply wd40, tape and a whole load of other crap. Apparently the sections get stuck together, one poor bloke had to leave his amazing pole at a job because the sections wouldnt undo. Seems to me they are just not suitable for the purpose. (they are suitable for fishing though, which is what they were designed for)
I watched the video of him putting it togther, LOL could have finished the house using a normal pole in that time.
telescopic pole every time for me.
Has anyone ever suggested to you that you're really rather an obnoxious individual?
Love it, can we have some more? ;D
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The prob with some individuals on here is that they spout an opinion about what they know not. We've had - and I paraphrase - "wfp is rubbish", "fishing poles are useless" "council estates are not worth the effort", "Ionics is overpriced for suckers", "DIY systems are rubbish" etc.
I know enough about modular and telescopic to give my opinion and I think it's major plusses:-
Light weight
Stiffness
Outweigh (for me) its:-
Fragility (easily repairable)
Non telescopic aspect
I have used both telescopic and modular and once I hear more about the new gardiner pole I believe that the lightness, stiffness and strength and telescopic (plus extra add on section) will give (me) the best of both worlds.
Just because we are on a forum is no excuse for brusqueness bordering on rudeness, in my opinion! ;)
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well you wont catch me fannying around putting bits of fishing pole together when I'm on a customer's premises.
I've seen advice from the man gardener to apply wd40, tape and a whole load of other crap. Apparently the sections get stuck together, one poor bloke had to leave his amazing pole at a job because the sections wouldnt undo. Seems to me they are just not suitable for the purpose. (they are suitable for fishing though, which is what they were designed for)
I watched the video of him putting it togther, LOL could have finished the house using a normal pole in that time.
telescopic pole every time for me.
That was me who had to leave a couple of stuck together sections on a job. I wasn't going to post again about this but after applying liberal amounts of WD 40 and leaving it a while, I enlisted the help of a good friend and we did manage to untwist them. I think I made matters harder for myself previously by unwittingly attempting to untwist the sections anti clockwise - against the weave. Now that I've made a couple of mistakes with this pole, I've no problem using it - but only on certain types of job. I have discovered that on larger jobs where the pole needs to be used a bit more vigorously for first cleans, it's probably a good idea to dismantle the pole at a natural break in the work - not as daunting as it sounds. Overall, my preference is for telescopic, but they can have their problems too.
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Well said that man. I've got one (35ft) and it's very very good. Not perfect, but then nothing is, the huge plus point has to be it's lack of weight yes you CAN jam the tubes, two of us on here have done it although mine came apart with advice from Alex. It's pretty strong but will chip if you abuse it. Stay clear of the Superlight1 and only buy the Superlight 2 unless your very gentle. They are not as strong as aluminium and can break (i've done it) but for three storeys and above there is nothing to beat it in my opinion.
ps the Superlight 2 is NOT a fishing pole it was designed purely for window cleaning. ;)
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Tennet
out of interest then do you clean with a 45 ft pole? and what one would you recommend?
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I've seen advice from the man gardener to apply wd40, tape and a whole load of other crap.
His Name is Alex, and he never said apply wd40 or tape or any other things ( except what is in the manual ). I think youll find both Gardiners and their products are highly regarded, Luke
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I think youll find both Gardiners and their products are highly regarded, Luke
Highly regarded, LOL by who? People on here? it'll take more than that to impress me I'm afraid. Also 'highly regarded' on here are the water barrel method of window cleaning, the rusty old car and the tank glued into the back of a van method. Guess what I don't rate them either. Just becuase people go on about it on here don't make it good. IF a proper supplier started selling fishing poles that stuck together and needed WD40 and crap to be used they'd very fast get slated.
But because alex is on here a lot and is 'a nice guy' and his stuff is dirt cheap, well lets all say its wonderful when oops it aint.
Tennet
out of interest then do you clean with a 45 ft pole? and what one would you recommend?
the 45ft poles I have used and would recommend are facelift carbon fibre, I also had an ionics ergolite (the old one). IMO not very much to choose between these poles, I prefer the clamps on the facelift, but I like the ionics brush better. Both are good poles and get my vote. And neither of them need a golfbag, WD40 or selotape to use.
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Arggg, where do I start with that post, I could argue forever, but I wont. Cant be bothered anymore, want a peaceful life! On a more positive slant, what system do you use Tennet, Luke
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I think hi is trad luke ;D
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Anyway Mo, Im no tinpot outfit, nice van, gear, system and work!!! And I use a 45ft SL2, Its amazing, Luke
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If you are looking for a practical pole at45-ish height. Buy a telescopic pole not a modular pole. Facelift is the most practical because it's rigid, light, small diameter handle and can easily be dismantled to the bare minimum height you need for working. If you're looking for the stiffest pole then it has to be Ionics.
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Nothing wrong with modular. Plenty of happy superlight users out there.
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Tennet Clean
why don't you give a modular pole a try before you slate it. I'm not the biggest fan of them and yes, I also do think there are some guys on here who need surgically removed from Alex's backside but maybe thats because he sells good products at reasonable prices and has yet to come on here and slag someone else, or their product.
I admire your brutal honesty but a bit of tact wouldn't go amiss.
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You will find Alex is popular amongst a lot of forum members purely for those reasons. Very few of us know him from Adam but as a supplier his help and aftersales service is second to none. It might also be noted that Alex doesn't actually run the sales side of things either. Many other suppliers are probably fine also, it's just that Gardiners sell good products (and not dirt cheap unfortunately) and has the politeness to stay out of arguments and conduct himself in a proffessional manner - something some members have been unable to do on here.
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foxman - I agree with your views on the strength/endurance videos etc. however I do think alex was only trying to give everyone an idea of how strong the poles are, nothing wrong with that.
there are some things about gardiners that peeve me off, especially when they say they have poles made exclusively for them, hose made exclusively for them etc but on the whole alex seems to be a helpful sort of chap.
DJW - I never said dirt cheap, just reasonable.
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This thread appears to be moving 'off-topic', but that seemed to start once Tennet made it personal, which was very early on in the threads conception, and not about the pole.
I feel a lot more contented knowing that a supplier actually uses this forum, yes as Foxman says theres the phone and theres e-mail if you're wanting to chase up an order, theres also this, as Mr Gardiner (not using first name terms, I'd probably be categorised as needing to be removed from his orifice otherwise) frequents this place; which just makes the whole transaction business seem all the more cuddly and fluffy ;) but someones gonna think thats a comment worthy of picking holes in :-*
I felt a lot more secure when placing my last order with Gardiners when Alex came on here and illustrated through pictures (bit like going back to Primary school for me) ;)
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:7Rw4uDslc4KcAM:https://images.ebsco.com/jc/0000458157005.3.jpg)
what I needed to know and how to put things together.
So I might be a bit thick and need someone to show me how to do things, but I appreciate a professional attitude and approach, which I definately see not happening from some, perhaps they could practice some restraint of tongue and pen (its marvellous for character building, whether you're aware you need to or just want to put the world to right)
;)
Matt
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DJW - I never said dirt cheap, just reasonable.
Tennants words ;)
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I think i should referee this bro's!!! My system is from foxman and my big pole ( and other stuff ) from Alex. I like both of you, ok. You both offer something different, but both offer something good. There we go, everybodys happy......arent they??? :)
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I think i should referee this bro's!!! My system is from foxman and my big pole ( and other stuff ) from Alex. I like both of you, ok. You both offer something different, but both offer something good. There we go, everybodys happy......arent they??? :)
So obviously Luke has two heads ... ;D
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Nothing against other suppliers i'm sure your all great! Some aren't easily recognisable on here. Alex does provide weights and stiffness of competitors poles on his site which might annoy some but pleases others. Maybe if people like "foxman" would make themselves known then we could chat to you too. :) As far as i'm aware you all sell the same stuff anyway apart from Gardiners own products.
Facelift poles for example get a good response on here. I've never used one so won't comment on them.
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So who is foxman really???
I take it he is a supplier of some kind
Dean
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He is Steve from the Window Cleaning Warehouse, Luke
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Blimey I thought Express Cleaning ran this site, didnt realise that its being indirectly controlled by all the other "suppliers"
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Oh What Fun ;D
regards, Stuart
www.skypolewfp.com (http://www.skypolewfp.com)
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dear tuppence.... despite the fact that i agree on the collecting thread i am with NWH on this one .Some people on here kiss alexs ass big time ......but imo gardiners have a very high standard of aftercare with stuff they supply and he comes on here to answer questions as well,about 2 quid fittings and 2 grand outfits,i think thats pretty sound.I dont always use gardiners cos sometimes they aint got what i want and sometimes other places are cheaper(i am a cobbler after all)but generally their stuff turns up in good time and does what it should ;D.You come across as arrogant ,which is as bad if not worse than condescending,and will make no friends by slagging gardiners pole systems on here
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You come across as arrogant ,which is as bad if not worse than condescending,and will make no friends by slagging gardiners pole systems on here
Arrogant, well ok maybe just a little. Friends lol, if I don't think somethings very good, I say so. You have every right to disagree, and it don't bother me one bit. Its nothing to do with making friends. Should I just never say anything at all in case it makes me not "friends" with some people on here. Fraid I won't shut up just because the gardiners fan club disagrees with me.
Also, yes I have some strong opinions. I admit I do not put them across very tactfully at times, and perhaps I should try harder with the tact thing. Offensive though? think thats a bit harsh. People have been offensive to me, threatening to 'see' me at windex, calling me all the names etc. Yawn. Have I resorted to threats and name calling? Nope. All I have done is said what I think. It is a forum though, it is about opinions after all.
And I have helped on some threads, its not all neg
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Tennant, I do wish you would try to avoid being so blunt, as a result of your comments I'm almost continuously having to remove replies, including some of your own.
Your views are welcome, but your antagonistic attitude is not, we also want people to feel they can post a comment or observation without fear of being derided or sneered at, and quite frankly, many of your posts fall into that category.
On the topic of the poles.
I for one have gone the modular route, I use it for absolutely everything.
I've been using the superlite 1 for the last 12 months and it now needs replacing...it isn't robust enough for continuous use.
However it is a tremendous tool in use, the superlite 1 is adapted from a fishing pole , the superlite 2 is custom made and is very specifically for window cleaning.
It's easy and quick to put together, (the superlite 1) I've found it as quick in use as my old telescopic pole and it massively reduces the strain on your body, and that can't be overstated enough.
It's lightness and rigidity are its strengths, the superlite 2 is also far more robust than it's predecessor.
For domestic work many will prefer a telescopic pole, but I am happy using the modular, you simply have to adapt your technique.
For high work then a modular carbonfibre pole beats telescopic hands down as telescopic simply can't compete on lightness and rigidity.
No one pole is perfect, they all have their drawbacks, you simply have to assess what is best for you.
But if you are going up as high as 35/45ft then I would say go modular.
Hopefully Alex or his sister will be ringing me shortly to confirm my order for a 35ft one (I'm also going to have to replace my 100ft of microbore hose too :'() and although I know it will not last as long as an aluminium one, if it last me 2 years I'll consider it money well spent.
Ian
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You come across as arrogant ,which is as bad if not worse than condescending,and will make no friends by slagging gardiners pole systems on here
Arrogant, well ok maybe just a little. Friends lol, if I don't think somethings very good, I say so. You have every right to disagree, and it don't bother me one bit. Its nothing to do with making friends. Should I just never say anything at all in case it makes me not "friends" with some people on here. Fraid I won't shut up just because the gardiners fan club disagrees with me.
Also, yes I have some strong opinions. I admit I do not put them across very tactfully at times, and perhaps I should try harder with the tact thing. Offensive though? think thats a bit harsh. People have been offensive to me, threatening to 'see' me at windex, calling me all the names etc. Yawn. Have I resorted to threats and name calling? Nope. All I have done is said what I think. It is a forum though, it is about opinions after all.
And I have helped on some threads, its not all neg
I admire your honest, straight to the point, sometimes blunt and sometimes offensive (no ones perfect) opinions. I'd much rather someone spoke their mind than tip toe around upsetting any fan clubs for fear of upsetting or offending anyone with their truthful thoughts.
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You come across as arrogant ,which is as bad if not worse than condescending,and will make no friends by slagging gardiners pole systems on here
Arrogant, well ok maybe just a little. Friends lol, if I don't think somethings very good, I say so. You have every right to disagree, and it don't bother me one bit. Its nothing to do with making friends. Should I just never say anything at all in case it makes me not "friends" with some people on here. Fraid I won't shut up just because the gardiners fan club disagrees with me.
Also, yes I have some strong opinions. I admit I do not put them across very tactfully at times, and perhaps I should try harder with the tact thing. Offensive though? think thats a bit harsh. People have been offensive to me, threatening to 'see' me at windex, calling me all the names etc. Yawn. Have I resorted to threats and name calling? Nope. All I have done is said what I think. It is a forum though, it is about opinions after all.
And I have helped on some threads, its not all neg
I admire your honest, straight to the point, sometimes blunt and sometimes offensive (no ones perfect) opinions. I'd much rather someone spoke their mind than tip toe around upsetting any fan clubs for fear of upsetting or offending anyone with their truthful thoughts.
and tennet has given some very good information on here.
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I use SL2 60ft.
Pros: Very light, fits easy in the van, doddle to work with, strong
Cons: If you don't keep spraying it with the spray they give you the sections stick together and its a pain to separate them.
Good pole though. I like it
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So you got one in the end!!! you were free to see mine, if you had wanted, Luke
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sure tennet aint kirkys in secret :o or kirkys brother, problem with the likes of him is they think they know it all and there never wrong, wake up time to live in the real world. we are all different and have different points of view, thats what makes the world go around its not square, i see use for both types of poles modular or telescopic, >:(