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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: matt on February 13, 2008, 08:56:09 pm

Title: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 13, 2008, 08:56:09 pm
i find the whole other threads interesting

the look of Mr S's hot water system is DIY'able, and im sure he menioned the price he paid ? ??  ? what was it ? ? ? ?

Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 09:04:10 pm
oh hello i can reply on this one ;D ;D....strange that ::)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: twt on February 13, 2008, 09:04:52 pm
Mr solubility i know you don't want to take responsibility for advice given out on gas, thats fine but who came up with the idea for the system was it you? or did you get help with it? Your system is very good and someone saying that it is di able is not an insult because you have come up with a simple cost effective solution to what others pay thousands for. What i cant understand is in some posts you come across as no expense spared when really you have made a good system on a small budget. So please share some practical knowledge or at least what lead you to come up with the idea.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: TennetClean on February 13, 2008, 09:09:59 pm
personally I wouldnt recommend carrying a gas bottle around.  Dunno why just doesnt seem safe to me.  However i guess thats what people in caravans do.

why do these threads keep getting locked?  I haven't even been threatened yet.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 09:11:32 pm
how do the gas burners operate ??? ??? are they propane pwered or what,if so then that aspect at least is not diy able......is it  ??? or are regs different for propane gear...where can i find out about them  ??? do they work like regular gas water heaters ie pressure activated or what
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 09:12:44 pm

why do these threads keep getting locked? I haven't even been threatened yet.
the night is young ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: xxmattyxx on February 13, 2008, 09:14:17 pm
the night is young ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

the moon is high,

and there's music in my ears....
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 09:16:51 pm
the night is young ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

the moon is high,

and there's music in my ears....
is vic there ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 09:22:44 pm
i find the whole other threads interesting

the look of Mr S's hot water system is DIY'able, and im sure he menioned the price he paid ? ?? ? what was it ? ? ? ?


sorry back on topic i think i read 12k somewhere but dont quote me,anyway dont expect him to come rushing onto this thread if i am on it ;D he seems to have a very fascist take on free speech ie ignore all who disagree with your viewpoint
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 13, 2008, 09:32:29 pm
i find the whole other threads interesting

the look of Mr S's hot water system is DIY'able, and im sure he menioned the price he paid ? ?? ? what was it ? ? ? ?


sorry back on topic i think i read 12k somewhere but dont quote me,anyway dont expect him to come rushing onto this thread if i am on it ;D he seems to have a very fascist take on free speech ie ignore all who disagree with your viewpoint

i thought he said it was a few hundred quid, 300 springs to mind

he likes to discuss hot water, im sure he will not be able to resist

Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: macmac on February 13, 2008, 09:36:58 pm
He'll come back now i'm here, we agree on almost everything ;D

Business wise i'm a bit baffled by Mr.sol. I can't work him out, what i take for granted, he seems to think is a revelation. :-\

Maybe i'm just a genius in disguise ;D

Tony
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 09:37:56 pm
i thought the heaters were in the 300 quid range .....that rings a bell something about them only costing....bla blah..in reply to someone on here before.if so maybe ANYONE can do a HOTSYSTEM :P :P
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 09:48:51 pm
He'll come back now i'm here, we agree on almost everything ;D

Business wise i'm a bit baffled by Mr.sol. I can't work him out, what i take for granted, he seems to think is a revelation. :-\

Maybe i'm just a genius in disguise ;D

Tony
i cant work him out either but i dont want to be seen as starting a witch hunt.I have always worked in "blue collar" jobs where sledging banter gyp, call it what you want,was a daily fact of life. it may be that he has a different back ground and finds this sort of thing hard to deal with.. but there you go i find tuppence clean and groundhog wind me up but you thats all part of the appeal of coming on here
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Village Gleam on February 13, 2008, 09:55:39 pm
I locked it because other people had their say then locked the thread. So i thought I would have a turn. I don't understand how these issues keep becoming personalised. As soon as you get the upper hand of the debate on investment someone will come in and call you a name (eh tosh).

I am very dissapointed about this. I have a lot of very advanced ideas, more to do with marketing, which is my main interest. My other practical project is getting my motorised reel to work, which I feel is just as big an advance as the hot system.

Philip- I can see you are bit bemused by my different approaches. Mostly I am not talking about myself. We were making a case for a new van plus ionic system at 30k being the basis for a good business. My 3yr old scudo cost 8 (inc vat) and my other bits about 5k, but I have two of everything.george ;) says 230 at about £3,400 (many are 8 wkly). I believe that is good, but not out of this world.

Whilst I've been on here I have nicked ideas off many others(squeaky, mick hay, Ian giles, Matt, Jeff). And arguing with some has driven me to have better ideas myself. Thats why i stick with it, but I don't like it when it gets too personal.

Yes macmac I agree, you are a genius; trapped in the mind of an idiot
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: windowwashers on February 13, 2008, 09:59:16 pm
I locked it because other people had their say then locked the thread. So i thought I would have a turn. I don't understand how these issues keep becoming personalised. As soon as you get the upper hand of the debate on investment someone will come in and call you a name (eh tosh).

I am very dissapointed about this. I have a lot of very advanced ideas, more to do with marketing, which is my main interest. My other practical project is getting my motorised reel to work, which I feel is just as big an advance as the hot system.

Philip- I can see you are bit bemused by my different approaches. Mostly I am not talking about myself. We were making a case for a new van plus ionic system at 30k being the basis for a good business. My 3yr old scudo cost 8 (inc vat) and my other bits about 5k, but I have two of everything.george ;) says 230 at about £3,400 (many are 8 wkly). I believe that is good, but not out of this world.

Whilst I've been on here I have nicked ideas off many others(squeaky, mick hay, Ian giles, Matt, Jeff). And arguing with some has driven me to have better ideas myself. Thats why i stick with it, but I don't like it when it gets too personal.

Yes macmac I agree, you are a genius; trapped in the mind of an idiotthat was a little harsh Mr S.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 10:00:28 pm
I don't like it when it gets too personal.

Yes macmac I agree, you are a genius; trapped in the mind of an idiot
::)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Village Gleam on February 13, 2008, 10:01:08 pm
i thought the heaters were in the 300 quid range .....that rings a bell something about them only costing....bla blah..in reply to someone on here before.if so maybe ANYONE can do a HOTSYSTEM :P :P
Bingo and halleluyah. Didn't take you long did it.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Village Gleam on February 13, 2008, 10:02:22 pm
I don't like it when it gets too personal.

Yes macmac I agree, you are a genius; trapped in the mind of an idiot
::)
Ever heard of irony?
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 10:03:58 pm
out of interest what did you do before mr s ? and  why choose window cleaning.Personally i was a printer for nearly 20 yrs but worked on lorries,building sites and various factories before that(admittedly not for very long at any of em)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 10:11:44 pm
I don't like it when it gets too personal.

Yes macmac I agree, you are a genius; trapped in the mind of an idiot
::)
Ever heard of irony?
sorry but verbal irony is difficult to distinguish from sarcasm when presented in this format (ie textual)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: macmac on February 13, 2008, 10:12:49 pm
Quote
Yes macmac I agree, you are a genius; trapped in the mind of an idiot  

Maybe i'm an idiot trapped in a genius ;D ;D ;D

Mr.Sol, i'm not personalising anything, i just see your big revelations as the norm, or common sense. if you're dissapionted 'cos you're maybe not as "revolutionary" as you first thought then, sorry.


Tony
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Village Gleam on February 13, 2008, 10:18:03 pm
I am a bit of a know all in real life, but not too bad. I'm somewhere between popular and alright in small doses.You don't see me impose  my opinions too much on the bits I'm unsure of like operations. I read the posts of helen, trev knight, or people generally of more experience like everyone else does.

I do have a back story, we all do.I'm a disgraced solicitor, I turn up sometimes, they say- you defended me, now you're cleaning my windows- I say I promise  I'll  do a better job this time....
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: frames to panes on February 13, 2008, 10:24:21 pm
At last Mr Sol, so your not much different to the rest of us after all, you haven't spent a fortune on your set up, you have a mid sized van with a more expensive system than most, and hot water. Why post such complicated explanations to everything, just drop down to our level and i'm sure we can all get on fine. Your just misunderstood at times. :)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: macmac on February 13, 2008, 10:25:45 pm
I am a bit of a know all in real life, but not too bad. I'm somewhere between popular and alright in small doses.You don't see me impose  my opinions too much on the bits I'm unsure of like operations. I read the posts of helen, trev knight, or people generally of more experience like everyone else does.

I do have a back story, we all do.I'm a disgraced solicitor, I turn up sometimes, they say- you defended me, now you're cleaning my windows- I say I promise  I'll  do a better job this time....

I can very often suss a person out by their posts, get to know what they're like, their level of experience, if they tend to tell porkys etc. i'm very good at this in real life too.
BUT, i must say you are one of my hardest candidates to date Mr.Sol. & i'm still unsure what to make. I'll just have to keep reading for now! ;)

Tony
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: geefree on February 13, 2008, 10:30:04 pm
I think its like watching a soap opera in writing, i have been following each episode without commenting and its ace!.

i love it,.. its good hearted banter with a lot of one upmanship going on,

between colleagues,  and this is good humoured, light hearted togue in cheek stuff which shows how bright and quick witted you all are

love it !   ;D ;D ;)   
 
 
 
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Davo on February 13, 2008, 10:30:15 pm
So  whats the concensus from the long term pros( over 5 years trading).

Is it fair to assume that in order to earn £800 a week all you need to do is turn up clean their windows , smile a bit, and they wont give a jot if your car/ van coughs smoke all over the place.

Does cutting back on expenditure also mean you dont need to use toothpaste, deodorant or razor blades.

Oh and instead of all the expense of printing would it be ok to write a contact name on bits of scrap paper, or torn off fAg packets?

If i have to  shave costs to the bone to be successful can anyone else tell me what i dont need.





Mark
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 10:35:49 pm
sorry about this but "the bigger the investment the bigger the return" is NOT a busines fact. Is the solicitor bit true  ??? you didnt defend me ever did you  ??? ???  .If you find sledging hard to deal with i will lay off ,however you come across like a man who has swallowed lee iacoccas biography.We all have different reasons why we do this job.I found it a cheap way to set up a business that paid a living wage and it has become more than that now .Also(i know you should not start a sentence with also ok) it meant that i could change my job without going through the humiliating "previous convictions" crap(none of your busines but lets clear the air eh?) which turns up on every application form.So i like the freedom i get from window cleaning and if bills are paid i feel no need to aspire to much more, except extra cash if i can be bothered
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: frames to panes on February 13, 2008, 10:37:59 pm
Davo, i think you missed the point of the very first question of the first episode :o
Which i started with the question who's got his head screwed on? If an accomplished windowcleaner can operate with a basic dirt cheap set up producing the same results as a mega-expensive outfit doing domestic, who has got it right? Is there really any point in spending all that dosh for the same end product?
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: macmac on February 13, 2008, 10:38:18 pm
So  whats the concensus from the long term pros( over 5 years trading).

Is it fair to assume that in order to earn £800 a week all you need to do is turn up clean their windows , smile a bit, and they wont give a jot if your car/ van coughs smoke all over the place.

Does cutting back on expenditure also mean you dont need to use toothpaste, deodorant or razor blades.

Oh and instead of all the expense of printing would it be ok to write a contact name on bits of scrap paper, or torn off f*g packets?

If i have to  shave costs to the bone to be successful can anyone else tell me what i dont need.





Mark

The best thing is to not assume your business skills from another trade will apply to this one. don't assume you already know it all. Acknowledge i'm the undisputed best & you may well just make it. ;)

Tina Turner
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: geefree on February 13, 2008, 10:40:57 pm
So  whats the concensus from the long term pros( over 5 years trading).

Is it fair to assume that in order to earn £800 a week all you need to do is turn up clean their windows , smile a bit, and they wont give a jot if your car/ van coughs smoke all over the place.

Does cutting back on expenditure also mean you dont need to use toothpaste, deodorant or razor blades.

Oh and instead of all the expense of printing would it be ok to write a contact name on bits of scrap paper, or torn off f*g packets?

If i have to  shave costs to the bone to be successful can anyone else tell me what i dont need.





Mark

The best thing is to not assume your business skills from another trade will apply to this one. don't assume you already know it all. Acknowledge i'm the undisputed best & you may well just make it. ;)

Tina Turner


ok thats enough about me now lets talk about you,  :)

and why you think im wonderful.  :)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 13, 2008, 10:41:45 pm
If an accomplished windowcleaner can operate with a basic dirt cheap set up producing the same results as a mega-expensive outfit doing domestic, who has got it right? Is there really any point in spending all that dosh for the same end product?

imho NO, you dont need to spend big money when a el-cheaper system will do the EXACT same job
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 10:46:11 pm
If an accomplished windowcleaner can operate with a basic dirt cheap set up producing the same results as a mega-expensive outfit doing domestic, who has got it right? Is there really any point in spending all that dosh for the same end product?

imho NO, you dont need to spend big money when a el-cheaper system will do the EXACT same job
ditto ;D
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Davo on February 13, 2008, 10:49:08 pm
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..........The best thing is to not assume your business skills from another trade will apply to this one. don't assume you already know it all.


Mac Mac, what I dont understand is how this business differs so much from any other one. Thats an honest statement BTW.

Please could you enlighten me.


Mark
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Davo on February 13, 2008, 10:51:59 pm
Davo, i think you missed the point of the very first question of the first episode :o
Which i started with the question who's got his head screwed on? If an accomplished windowcleaner can operate with a basic dirt cheap set up producing the same results as a mega-expensive outfit doing domestic, who has got it right? Is there really any point in spending all that dosh for the same end product?



The one who nets the most money in the shortest period of time??.




Mark
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: geefree on February 13, 2008, 10:55:02 pm
I think each to their own,
hot or cold,


we all clean windows and aspire to do it , and work the best way we can,  if you have a tank , any type... a pump , a pole and power to send it to a window.

Then you are water fed pole window cleaning, working for yourself, up and running.

After you have done that, ........then its up to each individual how far they take the business,....  stay happy with your lot or strive to be the best you can.

Its what makes each individual unique.

And it is purely choice,  


Gary.

Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Wayne Thomas on February 13, 2008, 10:57:15 pm
I've been WFP for 5 years. I've improved much more than when I first started with WFP. I'm very quick and confident now, I never use to be when I first started.

I enjoy coming on here reading posts, despite a lot of the same old questions being asked repeatedly. But once in a while a few bright sparks with a different way of thinking and with plenty of fresh ideas come along and get me thinking and trying /using their new ideas. I'm never too old to learn new things and am always open to new ideas.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: macmac on February 13, 2008, 11:03:33 pm
Quote
..........The best thing is to not assume your business skills from another trade will apply to this one. don't assume you already know it all.


Mac Mac, what I dont understand is how this business differs so much from any other one. Thats an honest statement BTW.

Please could you enlighten me.


Mark

There are many differences davo & too many varients to discuss. That's why some of these posts are so entertaining when looking in from an experienced view.

Imagine me going onto a painter & decorators forum & after being in the business for 6 months suggesting to them that they're all going about their business the wrong way. what they need is a nitrous oxide injected van & carbon fibre brushes!

Tony
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 11:09:40 pm
still typing mr s  ???
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Justen Uff on February 13, 2008, 11:22:11 pm
Well  errrrr

now we're all in a circle I'm prepared to come out of denial too....................................................................



I'm



Justen


and and  and I'm an idiot trapped in the mind of a genious :o




I've been drinking pure water for about 3 years now..........can't seem to stop...............
I want to drink hot.........
But I'm scared :o
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Justen Uff on February 13, 2008, 11:28:43 pm
Seriously though

From what i've read on here and I am new, most of it is areally good exchange of ideas to help each other
But seems to me no good comes from implying you've got some superior knowledge that you can't share yet because people arent ready for it. And thats how I read this.

Mind you I dont know much I'm just trying to pick it up
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: geefree on February 13, 2008, 11:34:09 pm
Seriously though

From what i've read on here and I am new, most of it is areally good exchange of ideas to help each other
But seems to me no good comes from implying you've got some superior knowledge that you can't share yet because people arent ready for it. And thats how I read this.

Mind you I dont know much I'm just trying to pick it up
 


Hi jus.

i wouldnt bother trying to put an opinion over or try and crack a funny,

they dont respond, they are simply having a big bash at each other and are def waiting for Mr S.


I thought it was fun to begin with but now its simply bitching.

Gary.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Justen Uff on February 13, 2008, 11:39:18 pm
oops

see whot I mean ;D
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Davo on February 13, 2008, 11:44:44 pm
Quote
..........The best thing is to not assume your business skills from another trade will apply to this one. don't assume you already know it all.


Mac Mac, what I dont understand is how this business differs so much from any other one. Thats an honest statement BTW.

Please could you enlighten me.


Mark

There are many differences davo & too many varients to discuss. That's why some of these posts are so entertaining when looking in from an experienced view.

Imagine me going onto a painter & decorators forum & after being in the business for 6 months suggesting to them that they're all going about their business the wrong way. what they need is a nitrous oxide injected van & carbon fibre brushes!

Tony


Mac mac youve just answered the question I asked you the other night. Now i know why you are so aggressive in some of your replies.

I can only speak from my own perspective, but i dont think anyone is telling you how to run your business. This is a forum and members will post topics they feel the need to discuss. Opinions will differ, new members will join and post. Much of what you say is valuable information, the way you have run your business (over many years) has worked for you, and you deserve respect and recognition for that fact.

Many posters IMO only offer a different perspective on things, there's more than 1 way to skin a cat. However I dont think its a challenge to your experience, or the experience of many long standing members of this forum.

What is apparent is your reluctance to give other points of view any merit ( based on your perception of the posters experience). Window cleaning may be a business like no other, but PEOPLE ARE STILL PEOPLE.



Mark

  

 
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 13, 2008, 11:50:09 pm
Seriously though

From what i've read on here and I am new, most of it is areally good exchange of ideas to help each other
But seems to me no good comes from implying you've got some superior knowledge that you can't share yet because people arent ready for it. And thats how I read this.

Mind you I dont know much I'm just trying to pick it up
 

they dont respond, they are simply having a big bash at each other and are def waiting for Mr S.



thats not true at all, some are lighting torches, some are sharpening axe's and pitch forks

only a few are waiting for him, the others are preparing the tools and boiling the oil

(http://www.jackofallblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/the-angry-mob.png)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 11:51:41 pm
gazz i aint bitching just dont like being talked down to and i love people cracking funnies ;D he just has different set of values and some ridgid views on business practice.I like this forum for technical advice and a bit of chat,not really into being told how crap i am cos i dont aspire to greater things.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 13, 2008, 11:54:00 pm
not really into being told how crap i am cos i dont aspire to greater things.

this was allways my issue, as ive said, im happy to earna  few quid, provide nice thing sfor the family and spend time doing family things, fair play to mr S, i think he just might understand that now
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 13, 2008, 11:54:50 pm
Seriously though

From what i've read on here and I am new, most of it is areally good exchange of ideas to help each other
But seems to me no good comes from implying you've got some superior knowledge that you can't share yet because people arent ready for it. And thats how I read this.

Mind you I dont know much I'm just trying to pick it up


they dont respond, they are simply having a big bash at each other and are def waiting for Mr S.



thats not true at all, some are lighting torches, some are sharpening axe's and pitch forks

only a few are waiting for him, the others are preparing the tools and boiling the oil

(http://www.jackofallblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/the-angry-mob.png)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D sometimes you really crack me up,any way thought you two were all pals with your mutual morley interest ;D :-*
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: macmac on February 13, 2008, 11:55:40 pm
Quote
..........The best thing is to not assume your business skills from another trade will apply to this one. don't assume you already know it all.


Mac Mac, what I dont understand is how this business differs so much from any other one. Thats an honest statement BTW.

Please could you enlighten me.


Mark

There are many differences davo & too many varients to discuss. That's why some of these posts are so entertaining when looking in from an experienced view.

Imagine me going onto a painter & decorators forum & after being in the business for 6 months suggesting to them that they're all going about their business the wrong way. what they need is a nitrous oxide injected van & carbon fibre brushes!

Tony


Mac mac youve just answered the question I asked you the other night. Now i know why you are so aggressive in some of your replies.

I can only speak from my own perspective, but i dont think anyone is telling you how to run your business. This is a forum and members will post topics they feel the need to discuss. Opinions will differ, new members will join and post. Much of what you say is valuable information, the way you have run your business (over many years) has worked for you, and you deserve respect and recognition for that fact.

Many posters IMO only offer a different perspective on things, there's more than 1 way to skin a cat. However I dont think its a challenge to your experience, or the experience of many long standing members of this forum.

What is apparent is your reluctance to give other points of view any merit ( based on your perception of the posters experience). Window cleaning may be a business like no other, but PEOPLE ARE STILL PEOPLE.



Mark

  

 

I understand what you're saying davo, i'm open to new ideas & willing to learn but still waiting for something that's not just plain old common sense. ;)

Tony
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 13, 2008, 11:57:46 pm
Seriously though

From what i've read on here and I am new, most of it is areally good exchange of ideas to help each other
But seems to me no good comes from implying you've got some superior knowledge that you can't share yet because people arent ready for it. And thats how I read this.

Mind you I dont know much I'm just trying to pick it up


they dont respond, they are simply having a big bash at each other and are def waiting for Mr S.



thats not true at all, some are lighting torches, some are sharpening axe's and pitch forks

only a few are waiting for him, the others are preparing the tools and boiling the oil

(http://www.jackofallblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/the-angry-mob.png)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D sometimes you really crack me up,any way thought you two were all pals with your mutual morley interest ;D :-*

 ;) off for a virtual beer soon, i will be drinking beer, i have a feeling Mr S might be a wine drinker ( or even a babysham type of guy )  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 14, 2008, 12:01:24 am
Seriously though

From what i've read on here and I am new, most of it is areally good exchange of ideas to help each other
But seems to me no good comes from implying you've got some superior knowledge that you can't share yet because people arent ready for it. And thats how I read this.

Mind you I dont know much I'm just trying to pick it up


they dont respond, they are simply having a big bash at each other and are def waiting for Mr S.



thats not true at all, some are lighting torches, some are sharpening axe's and pitch forks

only a few are waiting for him, the others are preparing the tools and boiling the oil

(http://www.jackofallblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/the-angry-mob.png)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D sometimes you really crack me up,any way thought you two were all pals with your mutual morley interest ;D :-*

 ;) off for a virtual beer soon, i will be drinking beer, i have a feeling Mr S might be a wine drinker ( or even a babysham type of guy )  ;D ;D ;D

why do i have a picture of del boy falling through the open bar door in a bar full of yuppies  in my mind

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/69/250px-Onlyfools_del_fall.png)

im also scared i might be trigger  :o :o

Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 12:05:27 am
i would have thought absinthe more appropriate......an ostracized and misunderstood intellectual slowly drinking himself blind ...... this needs to stop really he is probably really nice once you get to know him( blank space because of a lack of suitable "emoticon") night all ;) got to be up early (NOT!!!!!)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 14, 2008, 12:08:15 am
who's on night watch, them torches need to be attended you know  :P
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 12:10:58 am
before i go matt,are you d ???
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: geefree on February 14, 2008, 12:13:25 am
oops

see whot I mean ;D

No . mr jus....

i dont comment on things like this.

so see what i mean .. dont drag me in
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: macmac on February 14, 2008, 12:16:02 am
oops

see whot I mean ;D

No . mr jus....

i dont comment on things like this.

so see what i mean .. dont drag me in

Gazza, you caused all this in the first place! ;D

Tony
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 12:16:16 am
sorry dont know what that was .....MATT do you have a site that guides diy pole users ???
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 12:19:35 am
enough is enough ;D good night i am done
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: geefree on February 14, 2008, 01:03:23 am
oops

see whot I mean ;D

No . mr jus....

i dont comment on things like this.

so see what i mean .. dont drag me in

Gazza, you caused all this in the first place! ;D

Tony

lol

why ?:)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Village Gleam on February 14, 2008, 06:31:44 am
MacMac, had you been a successfull window cleaner i think the painters and decorators should listen to you.

I've reread earlier and sorry for being insulting- if you weren't there to argue with this would have been a very short conversation.

I wasn't a solictor,no.i haven't read lee Iaccocas book (boss of ford i think or gm) but that is the sort of thing I would enjoy reading.

I don't really care about winning arguments, i'm interested in exploring ideas. Window cleaning is great for this because of it's simplicity. It is just the same as other businesses, the trick is transfering the things that work for wc.And that's what Davo and I are pushing.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 14, 2008, 11:02:41 am
sorry dont know what that was .....MATT do you have a site that guides diy pole users ???

indeed i do, gerneral DIY WFP stuff

<----------- e.mail for the DIY site

the fishing pole DIY site is here

http://wfpole.110mb.com/

OR

http://wfpole2.110mb.com
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: macmac on February 14, 2008, 05:18:37 pm
MacMac, had you been a successfull window cleaner i think the painters and decorators should listen to you.

I've reread earlier and sorry for being insulting- if you weren't there to argue with this would have been a very short conversation.

I wasn't a solictor,no.i haven't read lee Iaccocas book (boss of ford i think or gm) but that is the sort of thing I would enjoy reading.

I don't really care about winning arguments, i'm interested in exploring ideas. Window cleaning is great for this because of it's simplicity. It is just the same as other businesses, the trick is transfering the things that work for wc.And that's what Davo and I are pushing.

Nice one Mr.Sol.
I wasn't insulted & your spot on with-
 "the trick is transfering the things that work for wc.And that's what Davo and I are pushing."
That has been my point, that you can't assume all your previous business knowledge will apply to w/c & this is what i thought you though. I don't see it as a winning arguments game either, it's debate, we all put our points across in differing ways & i'm probably the worst at doing this sometimes. My posts sometimes come across as agressive but they're not meant to be taken that way (i do have a habit of expressing my veiws strongly at times). Without different oppinions & the different ways we express them in text it would get boring sometimes.
Both you & davo have many good ideas to share, if i don't agree with some then i'll post about it & i'll admit i'm guilty of getting on my high horse at times, ok, most of the time, ok, always, oh sod it, i'm an arse :(
I also like to put a bit of humour in too. ;)

Tony
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Pj on February 14, 2008, 05:35:39 pm
Group hug everyone

The week's nearly over....

Well for me anyway.

So, when is your week over entrepreneurs?
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Neil Williams on February 14, 2008, 06:28:36 pm
So, when is your week over entrepreneurs?

About 2 hours ago. It's my birthday tomorrow so I'm having a day off, if there is such a thing as having a day off when you're self employed.

The discussion earlier about getting the same job done for a fraction of the price. I've converted an old carpet cleaning machine to suck out the gutters for probably £3k less than the book price of some. There's enough suction in those machines to do it, all i do then is connect the tubes to the pole system and the jobs a good un.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: frames to panes on February 14, 2008, 06:32:04 pm
Seven days a week me, never stop, not like some of you dissapointing slackers out there! There's money to be made, where there's muck there's money! World domination is the future.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: Pj on February 14, 2008, 07:14:45 pm
Seven days a week me, never stop, not like some of you dissapointing slackers out there! There's money to be made, where there's muck there's money! World domination is the future.

So said the guy who commissioned the VW

What was his name now?????

Ah yes........





HITLER :o ;D
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 14, 2008, 07:50:22 pm
Seven days a week me, never stop, not like some of you dissapointing slackers out there! There's money to be made, where there's muck there's money! World domination is the future.

you know you want to join us slackers, go on admit, we are a nice bunch ( well most of the time, the other time we have torches and pitchfolks ;))
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 07:54:03 pm
Seven days a week me, never stop, not like some of you dissapointing slackers out there! There's money to be made, where there's muck there's money! World domination is the future.

you know you want to join us slackers, go on admit, we are a nice bunch ( well most of the time, the other time we have torches and pitchfolks ;))
good god man have you never heard of irony ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 08:50:19 pm
by the way matt i found ya site ;)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: frames to panes on February 14, 2008, 08:54:23 pm
I'm seriously thinking of being a slacker tomorrow since i've nearly run out of work.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 14, 2008, 08:58:59 pm
Seven days a week me, never stop, not like some of you dissapointing slackers out there! There's money to be made, where there's muck there's money! World domination is the future.

you know you want to join us slackers, go on admit, we are a nice bunch ( well most of the time, the other time we have torches and pitchfolks ;))
good god man have you never heard of irony ;D ;D ;D ;)

nope, never done it in my life, its my wifes job, she also does the dusting aswell ;)
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 14, 2008, 09:03:24 pm
by the way matt i found ya site ;)

when you register on the forum, let me know your name and i will activate your account
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 09:11:15 pm
already done it ;D
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 09:16:08 pm
I'm seriously thinking of being a slacker tomorrow since i've nearly run out of work.
go for it thats a bulletproof reason for a day off ;D i mean you cant turn up too soon .....unless your jdemarco
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: mark dew on February 14, 2008, 09:36:52 pm
Some people seem to equate hours worked with being a hard worker, but my last job in a factory doing data input i was taking home £195 for 40 hours. Starting at 6am and finishing at 2. People close to me like friends and family were congratulating me for getting off my arse and taking the job.
Now i've got wfp i do this and more between 6 and 7 hours (only a few days a month admittedly) and people mention i'm slacking cos i've done what was a weeks work traditonally by tuesday. Though i don't finish on tuesday.
I'm a long way from filling my time up with window cleaning but with the right kit, the right work and an attitude to get it over with asap, there seems little point (to me personally) in not taking advantage of the opportunity to enjoy my free time. At least until i can fill it more with equally lucrative paying work, rather than taking on every bit of work that has been offered to me for twice the hours and only an extra quarter of the money.
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 14, 2008, 09:43:55 pm
Some people seem to equate hours worked with being a hard worker, but my last job in a factory doing data input i was taking home £195 for 40 hours. Starting at 6am and finishing at 2. People close to me like friends and family were congratulating me for getting off my arse and taking the job.
Now i've got wfp i do this and more between 6 and 7 hours (only a few days a month admittedly) and people mention i'm slacking cos i've done what was a weeks work traditonally by tuesday. Though i don't finish on tuesday.
I'm a long way from filling my time up with window cleaning but with the right kit, the right work and an attitude to get it over with asap, there seems little point (to me personally) in not taking advantage of the opportunity to enjoy my free time. At least until i can fill it more with equally lucrative paying work, rather than taking on every bit of work that has been offered to me for twice the hours and only an extra quarter of the money.

thats the spirit ;D ;D
Title: Re: Head screwed on cont'd pt 3 ( the cont rides again )
Post by: matt on February 14, 2008, 11:04:51 pm
already done it ;D

your account is active

welcome ;)