Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Nathanael Jones on February 10, 2008, 10:11:17 pm
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Well,.. I know how I'm voting!!
Some serious moderation required here!!!
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im too lazy to vote :P :P
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Its always been like this
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im too lazy to vote :P :P
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I've been here a year and a half.
There has been a decline, fewer people like Jeff who are very helpfull now post
In general the trad window cleaners were nicer, but I didn't think so at the time.However, the info that at one time could only be gotten off this site can now be given by almost any wc in the street. Even the trad boys have a very good knowledge.
So to a degree the reason for it's existence has lessened, and added to that an element of loutishness has come in. Ian Giles said the number of posts has grown dramaticaly which would seem to contradict what I say.
Our business has moved on, and so should we. The problem is that although some of us are up to speed and keen to talk marketing, leaflets and, hot systems and move even further forward, others aren't. My biggest gripe is people posting on topics they aren't remotely interested in and killing the thread.
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Its always been like this
So the weird gay thread, the swearing and bickering, and the offers of a beating at Windex are normal then???
This is a busy forum,.. so I'll still browse,.. but I'm not going be contributing as much. This is getting beyond a joke.
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I have noticed a steady decline of posts from the experienced names that were here when I started. There seems to be a lot of new people who seem to know it all already.
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I am only just starting to enjoy it.
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I'm actually surprised how close the vote is! Only 50% of the members think the place is going downhill,.... I honestly thought it'd be more!
I think the place simply needs more moderators to take care of the offensive posts before they go too far. My forum isn't nearly the size of CIU, and I have the same amount of mods!
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Its always been like this
So the weird gay thread, the swearing and bickering, and the offers of a beating at Windex are normal then???
This is a busy forum,.. so I'll still browse,.. but I'm not going be contributing as much. This is getting beyond a joke.
I think all of the above help to make this forum what it is, entertaining whilst still being a fountain of knowledge. Talking about window cleaning can get boring, so its good to have some light relief, just don't take it too seriously as a lot of it is done tongue in cheek! ;)
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My posting has also reduced over the past few months, this place needs more Mods to help the two Mods, we know they have jobs to do this is why more Mods are needed,
I don't post as much now unless I see a post I know were I can help, i just sit in the background and watch now, sad really as this was a great place to visit get and give advice if you have the experience, I even see posts from Guy's will little or no experience trying to give advice, this can be a dangerous thing??? And to many posts go of the original Topic. Just my views.
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all i will say is that lots of non related topics are being allowed
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My posting has also reduced over the past few months, this place needs more Mods to help the two Mods, we know they have jobs to do this is why more Mods are needed,
I don't post as much now unless I see a post I know were I can help, i just sit in the background and watch now, sad really as this was a great place to visit get and give advice if you have the experience, I even see posts from Guy's will little or no experience trying to give advice, this can be a dangerous thing??? And to many posts go of the original Topic. Just my views.
Yet another swipe at the mods - about time this was stopped it does more harm than anything.
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I'm at home cos my van is froze solid :'( >:(
So a little more time to do some moderating 8)
I was on about 5.30am and it took close to 30 minutes to moderate just one thread of several pages long.
Over recent days I've either deleted or moved several threads.
Because the forum is now a lot busier, three are also many more inane replies on no end of threads, many seem to think it is fine to come and 'have a laff' Posting jokey one liners and so on, and by doing so it reduces the forum to a very cack handed read with people having chats in the middle of a thread.
And then there are those that write in lazy English, using 'txt spk' It looks so, so amateurish.
I'm not talking about those who struggle with spelling and so on, we all do that occasionally, but those that just can't be bothered to write and spell properly.
And then there is the continual swearing.
Maybe I'm getting jaded as a mod, but I'm now not bothering to edit the word out, I just delete the post, and it is no good putting in asterisks or a funny spelling, it now gets deleted.
~you have to tap in each letter of a swearword, you have to think about what you are doing, you aren't in a pub just blurting something out without even being aware of what you are saying.
The more I see of this kind of thread, the more inclined I am to take a much harder line, although if those of you that read a thread and are annoyed that it is being spoiled or taken in a new direction were to click on the report to moderator button, it would help a great deal.
Ian
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Ian,
I've great respect for the Mod's here,.... but I've been saying for a while now that you need some help. IMO its too much for such a small staff to handle. Admin needs to sort out MORE MODERATORS!!!
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Its always been like this
So the weird gay thread, the swearing and bickering, and the offers of a beating at Windex are normal then???
This is a busy forum,.. so I'll still browse,.. but I'm not going be contributing as much. This is getting beyond a joke.
I think all of the above help to make this forum what it is, entertaining whilst still being a fountain of knowledge. Talking about window cleaning can get boring, so its good to have some light relief, just don't take it too seriously as a lot of it is done tongue in cheek! ;)
i dont take things too sereously, but tongue in cheek comments are fine to a degree, when it turns to threats and hate mail it can put a lot of people off voicing a logical opinion,
also, im not being a prude or a killjoy when i say this, but it is a "window cleaning issues" forum,
and there are other sections available to talk about other things ..
non cleaning topics
place to chat
i dont get involved in any slanging matches but i do read them all, and some could be moved to other places in my view.
Gary.
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Ian,
I've great respect for the Mod's here,.... but I've been saying for a while now that you need some help. IMO its too much for such a small staff to handle. Admin needs to sort out MORE MODERATORS!!!
I agree with that, but respect to the guys that are doing the moderating at the moment.
Ian
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A very useful tool when used properly. I don't belong to an association these days as get all the help I need here. Am also able to contribute.
One problem I have noticed is that it's very easy to be misunderstood. I guess that's one problem with the written word over the spoken. That has put me off posting my opinion and has made me more careful to stick to factual points.
Peter
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A very useful tool when used properly. I don't belong to an association these days as get all the help I need here. Am also able to contribute.
One problem I have noticed is that it's very easy to be misunderstood. I guess that's one problem with the written word over the spoken. That has put me off posting my opinion and has made me more careful to stick to factual points.
Peter
i agree, text on mobile phones sometimes comes over as harsh or can be easily interpretated wrongly...
exactly the same can be said here.
Gary.
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needs to tighten up a bit
i nominate nat jones as moderator
he has a fine track record on the irish forum
a real enthusiast lots of energy
his contribution has been awesome
ask him nicely he'd help
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IMO its too much for such a small staff to handle.
So the moderators ARE paid after all. No wonder there;s so much deletion.
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correction, the moderators are not paid.
Ian
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Swearing , bitching, threats, and you can't find him. Mention money and he's there.
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needs to tighten up a bit
i nominate nat jones as moderator
he has a fine track record on the irish forum
a real enthusiast lots of energy
his contribution has been awesome
ask him nicely he'd help
Thanks for the nomination Jikwan,.. but even if I was offered a moderator position, I would have to turn it down as I'm sure many people would see it as a conflict of interests when I already have my own forum,... besides,.. my place keeps me busy, I wouldn't be able to devote enough hours to CIU to make any real difference.
What about LWC, windowwashers or Luke "SL2" Johnson?
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i tell you what, do a mods job on a forum this size isnt that much fun, ive done it on forums that have more post than this, its enjoyable for a while, but you can never win, you allways get snide remarks from others
you also need to be on a fair amount of the time and only saddo's do that :P :P
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if folk make so much in the winter there would be no posts to read its swings and round abouts im afraid there is something for every one on here apart form the ones that know it all i take good with the bad and only read what intrests me its the old saying opinions are like a holes every one got one some posts good some bad mine included but if you aint intrested dont read
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i tell you what, do the a mods job on a forum this size isnt that much fun, ive done it on forums that have more post than this, its enjoyable for a while, but you can never win, you allways get snide remarks from others
you also need to be on a fair amount of the time and only saddo's do that :P :P
saddo's :o >:( :P
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Got to be said, the best people to moderate are those with plenty of time on there hands - office people and the like, hasn't the pwner of express cleaning got an office bod to to it? It must take hours - stuff that for a chocolate soldier.¬!
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My posting has also reduced over the past few months, this place needs more Mods to help the two Mods, we know they have jobs to do this is why more Mods are needed,
I don't post as much now unless I see a post I know were I can help, i just sit in the background and watch now, sad really as this was a great place to visit get and give advice if you have the experience, I even see posts from Guy's will little or no experience trying to give advice, this can be a dangerous thing??? And to many posts go of the original Topic. Just my views.
Yet another swipe at the mods - about time this was stopped it does more harm than anything.
Were do you see it having a swipe at the Mods????? The Mods on here do it FREE of charge,maybe if we all paid for a membership then the Mods would be paid, but as we get to get on here free, then the Mods have to do it free and in the spare time, they also have there own business to run, so they can't be on here 24/7, I think you know very little when it comes to Administrating and moderation, there are 2 Mods who have the Job of moderating this section of the forum, for the past few months there has become more and more need for them to read all the post, posted on here.
What these 2 guy's need is a hand, but to become a Mod the first thing you need to do is READ the forum rules, and stick to them, then you have to be prepared to take the flak from anyone who doesn't like the decision you made,be it the right or wrong one?
There will be times when you feel like replying to a post with your own personal feelings or even to have a dig at someone, well guess what you Can't, Not without looking very unprofessional, Just take time to read Ian's and Trevor's replies, they are always professional in them, Can you handle that???????
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There will be times when you feel like replying to a post with your own personal feelings or even to have a dig at someone, well guess what you Can't, Not without looking very unprofessional, Just take time to read Ian's and Trevor's replies, they are always professional in them, Can you handle that???????
that sounds like most of my posts ;)
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Does anyone know what the history of this forum is? When did it start? Why did it start? How did it become popular?
I can see there was a need for information in the early days, but broadband hasn't been around that long, and I wouldn't have thought wc's would be one of the early techie type users.
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I can see there was a need for information in the early days, but broadband hasn't been around that long, and I wouldn't have thought wc's would be one of the early techie type users.
He's callin us fick! :o
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I was against computers and only got one along with broadband becoming widely available. Then I went around telling everyone how marvelous they were much as I do on here.
I jumped straight in, top spec and full microsoft office 2003. So i don't know anything about dial up or early users or forums.
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Don't know if this would fly but why not have the more regular posters do a rostered moderation job to give a hand.
Say 20 posters who each pulled 4 shifts a month to give a hand to the mod's
They could have reduced powers for example just reporting breaches of rules using the report to mod button and locking temp l;ocking powers which would allow the mods to only read the reported threads.
By the way the site is becoming less informative and more repetitive imo.
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This made me laugh, the good ol' days of dial-up modem connecting to the internet
http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/tagsViewSingle.php?id=3924
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I was against computers and only got one along with broadband becoming widely available. Then I went around telling everyone how marvelous they were much as I do on here.
I jumped straight in, top spec and full microsoft office 2003. So i don't know anything about dial up or early users or forums.
i was on at the time of 33.6 k modems ;) back in the old daus of the BBS
my phone bill monthly was 300 quid ;) as it was dial up and you had to pay for what you used, of course the more you got into it, the more you got out of it
them were the days
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the thing i miss most about working for myself is the "banter" you get in factories ,on building sites ,probly in offices too (never worked in one so i dont know) this forum helps me in two ways :firstly it helps when i need advice or have a problem that is technical in nature ,only this evening i have had some good answers to a question i posted and i have enjoyed using my limited knowledge to help anyone i can ;D :secondly it provides the "banter " that i miss.Many window cleaners work alone and this site helps to release the pressures of the average working day.It can be a lonely job sometimes :( and its nice to get on here and have a bit of a laugh and even(within reason) a bit of a fight.Anyway instead of restricting /deleting/moving posts perhaps the categories need revising ??? have a technical/advice section and a more "political" section for more loosely related WINDOW CLEANING RELATED issues (NOT THE GENERAL CHAT BIT) where the diy cobblers and the .....pros?...motivated whatever can have a bit of a ding dong.Also does a "Gudeline " page appear when people register? it could detail forum ettiquette (I for instance did not realise swearing was banned when i first got sucked into a heated thread) .Just a thought but generally i think some of the stuff thats classed as "off topic" is the most therapuetic ;D...phew
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=50284.0
Speaks for itself really :(
As Ian says there are more and more of the one-liner replies and posts here nowadays.
I agree with Nathanial.. the mods do a great job but need more help.
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Bright and clean get yourself a sense of humour mate. A bit sneaky too.
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Bright and clean get yourself a sense of humour mate. A bit sneaky too.
I agree, what a dull place this would be without a bit of humour!! ;D
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its a bit sad if we cant have a laugh on here from time to time :( i thought conflags reply was pretty sharp and most questions get answered sensibly in the end.aint connecting with others (on whatever level)what this forum is (or should be )about ??? ???
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A bit of a laugh is one thing,.. but as the poll shows 21 ppl think its ok, to FIFTY SEVEN saying its going downhill!!!
That's nearly a 2 to 1 ratio!
At least none of the trouble makers have signed up for my forum,... yet!
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I REALLY DONT KNOW WHERE I STAND ANY MORE , when i joined this forum some time ago , it was the most amazing thing , it helped me out no end , if i needed an answer , i posted and got it within an hour , but it has gone downhill a bit , dont get me wrong , i love a bit of banter , cant beat it .
But its all gone too serious lately , i got this , i got that , i earn more than you , its time we all stepped back and went back to the way it was before .
For instance , Steve K , not a friend of mine , but in my eyes one of the most valuable members this forum ever had , he was hounded for some reason and he left the site , thats when i noticed a decline , he i think came back for a while but left again shortly after , is this what the site is about now , taking the P out of anybody who doesnt share your view ?
Come on guys , please let it go back to how it was , friendly , helpful , and a pleasure to log on each night , or we may all find ourselves with no mods and no sponsor for the site , its only a matter of time until the powers that be say enough is enough , i dont need this anymore ......
Rich P @ F
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what has happened to steve, his posts about his day in pics were allways entertaining, and more importantly, he kept it real
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Didn't he join the Fire Service?
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I REALLY DONT KNOW WHERE I STAND ANY MORE , when i joined this forum some time ago , it was the most amazing thing , it helped me out no end , if i needed an answer , i posted and got it within an hour , but it has gone downhill a bit , dont get me wrong , i love a bit of banter , cant beat it .
But its all gone too serious lately , i got this , i got that , i earn more than you , its time we all stepped back and went back to the way it was before .
For instance , Steve K , not a friend of mine , but in my eyes one of the most valuable members this forum ever had , he was hounded for some reason and he left the site , thats when i noticed a decline , he i think came back for a while but left again shortly after , is this what the site is about now , taking the P out of anybody who doesnt share your view ?
Come on guys , please let it go back to how it was , friendly , helpful , and a pleasure to log on each night , or we may all find ourselves with no mods and no sponsor for the site , its only a matter of time until the powers that be say enough is enough , i dont need this anymore ......
Rich P @ F
the thing i miss most about working for myself is the "banter" you get in factories ,on building sites ,probly in offices too (never worked in one so i dont know) this forum helps me in two ways :firstly it helps when i need advice or have a problem that is technical in nature ,only this evening i have had some good answers to a question i posted and i have enjoyed using my limited knowledge to help anyone i can ;D :secondly it provides the "banter " that i miss.Many window cleaners work alone and this site helps to release the pressures of the average working day.It can be a lonely job sometimes :( and its nice to get on here and have a bit of a laugh and even(within reason) a bit of a fight.Anyway instead of restricting /deleting/moving posts perhaps the categories need revising ??? have a technical/advice section and a more "political" section for more loosely related WINDOW CLEANING RELATED issues (NOT THE GENERAL CHAT BIT) where the diy cobblers and the .....pros?...motivated whatever can have a bit of a ding dong.Also does a "Gudeline " page appear when people register? it could detail forum ettiquette (I for instance did not realise swearing was banned when i first got sucked into a heated thread) .Just a thought but generally i think some of the stuff thats classed as "off topic" is the most therapuetic ;D...phew
I was against computers and only got one along with broadband becoming widely available. Then I went around telling everyone how marvelous they were much as I do on here.
I jumped straight in, top spec and full microsoft office 2003. So i don't know anything about dial up or early users or forums.
And do you notice how those that complain about the mods and how much more help they need then go on to say how they can't do it, or are too busy/not good enough etc?
These people like to come on here and just stir things up. It's like running up to the fire and throwing petrol on it and then running away. I say if you have something to say about mods you should be prepared to do the job yourself, STOP moaning about how good things were in the 'old days' as we're not interested really.
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That's ironic I've just left the Fire Service.
Thats what we mean about people changing the blinking topic!
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John Garnet has been on here since 2004, and was a major contributor,... he deleted his membership last week,....
All the good ones are leaving.
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That's ironic I've just left the Fire Service.
Thats what we mean about people changing the blinking topic!
but isnt that what discussion is ?? ? ? it ebbs and flows into other things
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John Garnet has been on here since 2004, and was a major contributor,... he deleted his membership last week,....
All the good ones are leaving.
ive been on here since 2003 ;) and as much as they try to drive me away, it just makes me more determine to stay
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but isnt that what discussion is ?? ? ? it ebbs and flows into other things
Common sense prevails! ;)
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John Garnet has been on here since 2004, and was a major contributor,... he deleted his membership last week,....
All the good ones are leaving.
ive been on here since 2003 ;) and as much as they try to drive me away, it just makes me more determine to stay
LOL,.. I just noticed you're over 400 posts Matt!!! The sign of a true forum addict!
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Who's trying to drive you away Matt?
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jack johnson ;i dont get your post you singled out quotes from myself mr s and p@f but dont actually say whether you agree /disagree etc.also these are two slightly different views and one unrelated but analogous comment ??? ??? ??? so what is your point(apart from the moderators bit)
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John Garnet has been on here since 2004, and was a major contributor,... he deleted his membership last week,....
All the good ones are leaving.
how do you know.
why, ? thats bad , i liked john, always had good sensible advice.
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Who's trying to drive you away Matt?
i like to call them "them" , as time goes on, you will read them and think, he is right you know ;)
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At least none of the trouble makers have signed up for my forum,... yet!
I think this whole tedious thread is just an attempt to recruite new members for your forum! :o
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John Garnet has been on here since 2004, and was a major contributor,... he deleted his membership last week,....
All the good ones are leaving.
ive been on here since 2003 ;) and as much as they try to drive me away, it just makes me more determine to stay
LOL,.. I just noticed you're over 400 posts Matt!!! The sign of a true forum addict!
lol
the funny thing is, i dont spend that much time online, a little when im not working ( thurs and fri ) when the little un is haveing a nap, then when its bed time for the older daughter, then when my mrs has something im not keen on the TV
but whenever im on, i like to post, otherwise, whats the point ;)
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At least none of the trouble makers have signed up for my forum,... yet!
I think this whole tedious thread is just an attempt to recruite new members for your forum! :o
And now it makes sense ;)
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John Garnet has been on here since 2004, and was a major contributor,... he deleted his membership last week,....
All the good ones are leaving.
how do you know.
why, ? thats bad , i liked john, always had good sensible advice.
He's on my forum,... he just got fed up with the carry on here by the sounds of it!
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I read all of this
It is a load of rubbish and waste of time
It has got nothing to do with cleaning. The bloke who started it made his point and should have left it.
All us others are mad :o
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He's on my forum,... he just got fed up with the carry on here by the sounds of it!
There he goes again, using this thread to promote his own forum, now I think the mods should put a stop to this!!! >:(
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Quite right Justen, I'm confused anyway :-\
Goodnight troops ;)
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The bloke who started it made his point and should have left it.
You're right,.... time to lock it methinks
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I have just read this thread and to be honest I feel there is a decline in the quality of the content. I don't understand why there is a need for people to post unrelated and meaningless comments?
In the past as a Mod we were always looking for slanderous comments about manufacturers/suppliers etc....and the odd person who overstepped the mark.
Nowadays, I find myself reading a thread where to be honest I could cut the input down by 40% as the post is not related or going off topic.
We have a section that people can use for talking about whatever they want but on this section it should be relevant to window cleaning ONLY!
Perhaps instead of people asking for more mods, stating a decline in the forum maybe the next time a post is written the author would ask himself: is this relevant (REALLY!) and am I going Off topic? At least this way we can try to rebuild the forum back to its best and get rid of the meaningless posting I often find.
If people looked closer to home then both Ian and myself would find moderating as it was before, a whole lot easier!