Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: xxmattyxx on February 09, 2008, 07:55:29 pm
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Having gone over to WFP this last week I am really pleased with how things have gone.
Except.............
Ive read on here a few posts where guys have gone back to view their work (for collecting maybe or just to check it out) and found the result to be just not good enough and depressing.
I know full-well how trad can cause problems (dodgy blade/too sunny/poor technique/dirty water/filthy windows) but what is it that can cause problems with WFP?
I cant see that it can leave smears or streaks, perhaps it can, but dont know how that can be just yet.
Can someone please explain what issues there are to consider in addition to thorough scrubbing and competent rinsing please?
Matt
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9 out of ten times after the first 4 or 5 cleans it`s operater error,after this amonut of cleans it`s just a case of turning up mate.
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Ok, ta, so operator error could be?
Inadequate brush-work/rinsing? Anything else to be aware of?
In full sun its hard with Trad, what about WFP?
Matt
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Get the brush we talked about and really conertrate on the first 4-5 cleans and all will be well.
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Never smears or streaks just the little runs of spots you get from dirty water drying on the glass
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Get the brush we talked about and really conertrate on the first 4-5 cleans and all will be well.
Oh cripes :o
Ive got a head full of brushes at the mo and jets and reels and hoses ;D
Which one was that again?
Ta
Matt
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9 out of ten times after the first 4 or 5 cleans it`s operater error,after this amonut of cleans it`s just a case of turning up mate.
thats about cock on really, just go crazy with the water for the first few cleans but accept that there will be some houses where it will never work very well (you might even find that certain windows cause problems on a house that is otherwise fine) and be prepared to drop these its better in long run if you do ;D
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9 out of ten times after the first 4 or 5 cleans it`s operater error,after this amonut of cleans it`s just a case of turning up mate.
thats about cock on really, just go crazy with the water for the first few cleans but accept that there will be some houses where it will never work very well (you might even find that certain windows cause problems on a house that is otherwise fine) and be prepared to drop these its better in long run if you do ;D
Since our fight over % for this and % for that i can now feel a lot of love in the air between us Mr Thorpe lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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you been reading the "can you help" post a few to many times me thinks ;D ;D ;D (liked the rubbers joke btw)
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seriosly tho matt i think some people on here obsess about problems with wfp i had about half a dozen problem jobs when i changed over and all have been resolved one way or another, in total i lost 2 customers but there was plenty more to take their place.And dont forget just how bad a window can look if done trad by someone who dont know how to do it properly :o much worse imo than a few spots
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dont know how to do it properly :o much worse imo than a few spots
Too true, like a war-zone in bright sunlight, custys always say thanks though ;D
Thanks guys.
Matt
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s alright mate ;D ;D didya strainer turn up yet ???
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bump :)
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s alright mate ;D ;D didya strainer turn up yet ???
Nope not yet, probably Monday.
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Never smears or streaks just the little runs of spots you get from dirty water drying on the glass
which do not stop after the first few cleans, they might be up under the rubbers, they might just come from no-where
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Having been cleaning with WFP for two years now and having had all my share of problems and unhappy customers I have come to a few conclusions which put most problems into perspective.
1) If your water is Ok. Any marks or runs HAVE to come off the frame. Even if you don't wash the top frame water will splash up there and drip down later. Its best to really give the frames a good going over on first cleans.
2) Water from the top windows can and will run down or drip down onto the windows below. In the process it will pick up dirt from the sill and brickwork.
3) Milky frames are the biggest cause of problems. Learn all you can about them but first learn to recognise the type of windows that milk.
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What i find incredible is that whatever the weather, the rain won't produce those tell tale straight runs of spots, won't run off milky frames, and won't leech out of rubber seals, split putty or flakey paint. Strange. ???
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Thats because its the brush that desturbs it. We cause our own problems but realising it is half way to dealing with it.
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Having been cleaning with WFP for two years now and having had all my share of problems and unhappy customers I have come to a few conclusions which put most problems into perspective.
1) If your water is Ok. Any marks or runs HAVE to come off the frame. Even if you don't wash the top frame water will splash up there and drip down later. Its best to really give the frames a good going over on first cleans.
2) Water from the top windows can and will run down or drip down onto the windows below. In the process it will pick up dirt from the sill and brickwork.
3) Milky frames are the biggest cause of problems. Learn all you can about them but first learn to recognise the type of windows that milk.
Spot On :)
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Im on first cleans.
at first i was cleaning the frames and windows all at once and fiding i was going through loads of water but now started 2 clean frames first on a low flow just getting rid of all the muck. then on abit higer cleaning glass! it mite just be me but am sure am using less water and windows are coming up spotless!!
dave
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dave don't worry to much about the longterm prospects cos once they do come up good with wfp the 1st time, they will preety much always come good thereafter.
The hard work is getting them good in the 1st place. It's downhill all the way after that.
By the way you've explained it, it sounds like the higher flow rate was causing splashes.
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Thanks mark,
is it best to clean all the frames on every clean?? or do you jsut clean the frames up on first cleans then just clean glass them then on?
dave
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dont know bout mark but i do frames every time think you will find most do.....takes seconds :)
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If i have had problems with spotting on a 1st clean i will avoid the top of the frames until they look as though they need a clean. If they are still clean i will give them a quick brush over to get rid off cobwebs or leaves if they are on there, otherwise i leave alone until necessary. Even though i have had spots on 1st cleans etc with pvc i am confident i can do them well and will always brush over them.
Wooden windows especially barn conversions where the frames are stained black with preservative or whatever it is are where i have got most of my problems and will try and avoid these as i spent 8 months cleaning one before they came up good.
I had to wipe a damp microfibre over the odd spot in the meantime.
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Ok thanks lads,
Well il see how it goes maybe do frames every now and then.
My house windows the water doesnt sheet! hate doing them ones because i just dont know if iv rinished enuf! if you can understand what i mean on houses that sheet you can see it all running down washing the much away.
but as i say with my house it doesnt lol and looks like its going to dry horible but does dry spot free in the end. maybe one or 2 spots but nothing to worry about
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ive found i get more dirty run marks off sheeting windows,the ones that bead seem to dry ok ive just finished doing 38 high 3rd floor windows(weekly) 2nd time ive cleaned them and they are slill not 100%. imo wfp is ok just about but you never know if they are going to dry perfect thats why ive started blading any bottom windows