Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: pingu on February 09, 2008, 11:45:09 am
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Now this is the biggest job I have been asked to quote for...I do not have many commercial...Now a customer recommeded me to the owner of this garden center...They have said that this will be a one-off. Access is not an issue and the hose routing is uncomplicated.
Your thoughts would be very welcome....I have been asked to quote for certain parts of the center...the whole place has not been cleaned for 3 three years..so loads of dirt and cobwebs, the area where the store is located is very flat and surrounded by farmland....
On the pictures...it is for the vertical glass and no roof glass.
Many thanks.
Dave.
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Front exits.
On the bottom photo...we are not required to clean above the outbuilding marked 'uitgang'.
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The top picture needs cleaning as does the 'backside' so six large paneled areas in total.
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would want at least £200 , then a bit more as its a one off . how long do you recon it would take you , if it takes you a day ,what would you normaly earn for a days work that way it minght help you to price the job . what ever price you put in good luck :)
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If you put a price in on that for £200.00 you can do all of my commercial work.
I would charge about £800.00 to £1000.00 for that and expect it to be done in a day, but allowing for any problems the price gives you the option of a second day.
If you go for £200.00 you have nowhere to go if it goes wrong and could be working for nothing.
There is a lot of work there - if it is a one off you need to let them know there will be no guarantee on end product.
Rob ;D
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£1000 for a days work? I gotta get me some commercial work!
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so you reckon midas around £800 to £1000 thats some price mate great if you can get those prices but around here youd be really lucky .
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If you put a price in on that for £200.00 you can do all of my commercial work.
I would charge about £800.00 to £1000.00 for that and expect it to be done in a day, but allowing for any problems the price gives you the option of a second day.
If you go for £200.00 you have nowhere to go if it goes wrong and could be working for nothing.
There is a lot of work there - if it is a one off you need to let them know there will be no guarantee on end product.
Rob ;D
Pretty close,i didn`t have the guts to say it lol.Those saying £200,i take it you don`t do larger jobs cos for that price you`ll be losing money on that job,don`t forget it`s a one off so that`s double from the start.
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Quotes these days on here are not going on the basis that`s it`s done trad,you`ll make more money that way cos as we all know it`s much quicker WFP.I reckon that job would be up to 10 times quicker WFP probobly more,that`s were the moneys earn`t in saving time for the same price as trad.
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Dave
I in no way want to disrespect your post or you but if you work on the big jobs regularly you will know that there is an unbelievable amount of variables with this work.
If on a commercial job you only want to make what you would make on a day on the residential then there is no point putting a price in for this as you will be making the same money anyway.
This is window after window with no rest in between and you will be knackered after you have finished it, it is a one off, there will be a build up of detritus that needs dealing with. It will not be like a day on your round where you know that you have cleaned the windows the month before and they will be quite clean.
These prices are not area specific - I believe that they will expect to pay and I know because we charge these rates all over the country, from Wigan to Kent and everywhere between.
Rob ;D
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Thanks for the posts guys...I have very little experiance with commercial quotes and do on occassion under quote.....which is painfull...so please keep the thoughts and prices coming....
My other half spoke to the owner briefly and he said that he liked the idea of being 'enviromentally friendly' i.e no washing up liquid ;) ....so that is a good thing...but this quote does get handed into the site caretaker who seems very down to earth and used to dealing with contractors, builders etc.
Many thanks
Dave.
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well if you can get a price like that then all the best to you . i just no that youd be really lucky around here to get those type of prices . i once priced for loads of sheltered housing which prices ranged from £150 to £280 tenders were given out to quotes at less than half of what i had put in . it just shows what your up against .
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Dave
I grew up in Bolton on Dearne so I know the area you are from - there is a lot of new development in and around Barnsley and the businesses that are there are not specific to your area - there are some national and international companies.
I know that a lot of the phone companies have built call centres on the former pit sites and manvers is rapidly becoming a substantial area of commerce.
I know your region because I grew up there and I would charge my prices in your area - I may not get the job every time because there will be people putting low quotes in but the ones I got would make up for the ones I didn't.
Be brave and stick your kneck out - you never know!!!
Rob ;D
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That`s the basis i go on,i would rather do 1 job for £50 rather than do 5 jobs for £50.
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i can see where you are coming from midas & nwh . i will give it a go and put in a few good prices like you say you never know :)
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Like Midas says you`ll be surprised how much there willing to pay,what have you got to lose you don`t have the job anyway and they can only say no.
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I think that we are our own worst enemies on pricing.
If our books are full and you have a lot of commercial work it is easy to price high and not be bothered if you don't get it.
The law of averages is something that we work with - sooner or later if you keep putting the price and your details out you will get someone who will take the price.
If your books are not full and you want the work there has to be an incentive above the price of a normal day to warrant taking the work on.
This is where I am coming from.
I have a full workload - why - because I have spent seven years developing a phenomenal residential round, that has everything, compact, well priced, lots of small commercial and I am in the process of selling it for a staggering amount of money.
I look after a high street building society head office - year round contract.
We work all over the country on our commercial - supermarket cleaning.
I can be choosy and target specific market areas and use the law of averages to see us gaining two new substantial contracts this year. When I talk about substantial - multiple outlet various cleaning criteria and renovation cleaning.
I believe that I will get the price that I quote.
Rob ;D
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£375 approx 4 -5 hours
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Work out how long it will take you to clean at a slow average pace, be realistic to yourself based on any large places you've cleaned before as a guide. Add 20% then double it as a one off clean.
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Midas sorry for sounding negative but that last post was just over the top and self deprecating nonesence ! you are cleaning windows not saving the world !
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My books are full and I would not take the work on as it is a one off and i would have to leave other work to do it.
If i was to do it i would say 1 day 7-8 hours, one off £480 with no guarantees as to the finished quality.
Even then 1st clean would leave unsightly runs due to spiders etc, 2nd wash would be better and third wash would be to my standards, which is another reason i wouldn't do it as i would have to clean it three times to be happy with it. and that would be more like£700
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Thanks guys please keep those thoughts coming....
Just another thought....now this job will have to be cleaned at least twice to get it clean...so how long do you think that it will take you...?
Dave.
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Twice as long? :)
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Jonah
I fail to understand your point - are you one of the brigade that wants to beat the man down that has done well.
What I have always tried to do in all off my posts is show that through positive attitude and determination you can get the high end and high priced work.
If that is too much for some to believe do not read it. I am not saying I am any better than anyone on here or that I am the saviour of window cleaning bu there are plenty of people in life and on here that will tell you it cannot be done and you cannot get the price and you must fit into a certain category or stereotype.
If you don't like it don't read it I have helped about 7 people start real businesses face to face and the people on here I have worked with and met will tell you of the person I am.
I may think differently to you and that may be why I am where I am - sometimes it might be worth looking a bit deeper into information shared and seeing the depth that is behind it.
If one of the dragons on dragons den gave you advice would you use it or not. My attitude is to use any useful information gathered - from whatever source and if I felt there was someones attitude that was different to mine but it was working for them I would want to meet that person and find out what made them tick.
I guess it is about levels of success and where we want to be in life - if you want a lot then you have to sacrifice a lot and to do this you have to have a certain attitude and mind.
Your thoughts I will say are ill thought out and offer little to the topic but you are entitled to them and I wish you well in your future.
Rob ;D
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you havnt said whether this is just the outsides or whether they want the insides doing also, looking at the pictures on some of the sides some plants in pots etc will have to be moved to get to the bottom windows, if it was just the outside then i would say about £370 and would do it very early morning with two men on site as it could be awkward once customers arrive and start getting in the way.
if they want the insides cleaning the it makes it into a different job altogether.
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How long would it take you to clean trad? I reckon 2 days minimum, maybe 3.
Why charge any less for doing it WFP????
If its been 3 years since it was done, you will probably spend an entire day there, and maybe even an hour or 2 the next day as you'll end up cleaning a lot of it twice.
I'd be thinking around the £650 mark, external only if it was my job.
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Thanks for the advice and info, just to clarify...it is for outsides only and just the vertical glass not roof glass.
Many thanks
Dave.
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dave, do you have a price in mind now? If so, how much do you think you would go for? Don't worry, i won't stick me van on the ferry and undercut you. ;D
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Dave, I haven't studied the pics so won't offer a suggested quote. What I will say is this. I have done some builders cleans on a developement and underpriced myself each time. It always takes longer than I think. As this is a one off clean, you could be in the same situation. If you need the work, fine quote to get it, but don't quote to get it for the sake of it if that makes sense :) My rough guide now on my builders cleans is work out what I think it'll take me in time and make a price. Then double it. I'll get it right eventually ;D
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Hi Mark....I have now submitted a quote for 950 euros which is around £713, I do not think I will get the job but I did not have it in the first place but in the event I were to get it...the money would make the graft worth it.
Cheers
Dave.
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Hi Guys
Dont be shy when pricing commercial work you will be amazed at the prices people will pay.
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cheers dave, good luck with it. Let us know how you get on.
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Nederlandse Bloemen!!!!!!!!! Hoera! ;D ;D
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I personally would do this job for £400 as it is a days work.
A nice sunny day, hour for lucnch and it would be a pleasure :)
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Thanks for all the advice...I have got this job for 950 euros (around 720 uk), despite me knowing this will be alot of graft...it will push the year end turnover numbers up which will help when I go for a mortgage....
By the way as the whole place is a giant greenhouse....the insides are absolutly minging so the chance of knowing if they are clean or not will be hard to tell ;D ;D
Cheers
Dave.
ps...think I should have charged 1400 ;D ;D
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There is alot of glass there for one man, psychologically this type of job would do my head in, constant cleaning with no break moving from one job to another, lots of water used (not sure if your on a meter).
If i had counted correctly there is around 400 pieces of glass. Taking into consideration the above, if this was on a monthly clean(which this is probably not) I would charge around £700 for first clean and £350 a month there after. For a one off only for windows not cleaned for three years then M Clean price would not be far off.
If it is not a regular contract which i suspect it won't be, at least not for the whole building then put in the high price unless of course your desperate for a few hundred quid.
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Thanks to those who helped me price this job...took me a total of 9.5 hours today...knackered....but not bad for a days work ;)....
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And a last photo just for the fun of it....
Cheers
Dave.
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Looks like you have done a great job Dave ;D