Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: windowwashers on February 02, 2008, 08:14:09 pm
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can some one that rinses with a brush on explain how they do it from starting window to finish please, I have been toying with it, but would like to know how others do this.
Ian
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Firstly have a desent flow and by this i mean a good amount of water cascading down the glass but not over the top if you know what i mean,use a mono brush but if possible not a vikan mono as there rubbish you can use a flocked brush but if you do clean out the bristles with your fingers before you start the job.Scrub the window as normal up and down and once you`ve finnished scrubbing take the brush to the top of the glass and go across the window from side to side with the brush on,the last rinse with the brush on you should be able to hold the pole with the tips of your fingers,what i do now having rinsed on for so long is scrub the glass and lift a corner of the brush as i`m doing it,it`s even quicker but does require practise.Good luck and welcome to even faster WFP.
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Ian
I do not rinse on the glase,But I have been told some times it works and some timse it don't..Gose by the window
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it carnt be done imo
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it carnt be done imo
I do it all the time and wouldn`t get away with it if it didn`t,it`s all in the brush and flowrate.
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I would have bet money that edd was a rinse on guy.
I use a flocked vikan with fan jets. The brush makes a thrishing sound and moves a bit like a hovver skirt with steam billowing out.I never take the brush off and nothing I do can make the job bad.
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;) ;) ;) ;)
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I always rinse on the glass as it's much quicker and gives the same result. Some people are under the assumption that the more rinsing you do the better but if you're going to spend that extra time on a window you'd be better doing more brushing as this will clean better than extra rinsing. Wash your car with it and you'll see what I mean!
Rod
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Rinsing with the brush off the glass makes no difference at all,if people want to break there back and waste time let them the proof is in the pudding.
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I always rinse on the glass as it's much quicker and gives the same result. Some people are under the assumption that the more rinsing you do the better but if you're going to spend that extra time on a window you'd be better doing more brushing as this will clean better than extra rinsing. Wash your car with it and you'll see what I mean!
Rod
the reason I have not been doing it is because I tried and saw there was still bits (looked like a grain of sand) still on the glass, I am trying and I am also listening and learning ;)
Firstly have a desent flow and by this i mean a good amount of water cascading down the glass but not over the top if you know what i mean,use a mono brush but if possible not a vikan mono as there rubbish you can use a flocked brush but if you do clean out the bristles with your fingers before you start the job.Scrub the window as normal up and down and once you`ve finnished scrubbing take the brush to the top of the glass and go across the window from side to side with the brush on,the last rinse with the brush on you should be able to hold the pole with the tips of your fingers,what i do now having rinsed on for so long is scrub the glass and lift a corner of the brush as i`m doing it,it`s even quicker but does require practise.Good luck and welcome to even faster WFP.
Thank you for that NWH, see you can be nice to me sometimes ;) I do appreciate you posting this as is something I do need to learn asap I keep trying and will keep doing it, once again cheers dude ;)
Ian
p.s Mr S lol at your comment do you know how that sounded ::)
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The little grainy bits your talking about won`t show up when dried provicing it`s not to bad,if there`s lots of bits then not enough water is being used XXXX. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The little grainy bits your talking about won`t show up when dried provicing it`s not to bad,if there`s lots of bits then not enough water is being used XXXX. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I am talking saw 3 or 4 max on a patio window I go for perfection as was worried about this, trust me my flow is full on most of the time ;) I pay on a meter by the way before someone jumps on me
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I tried rinsing on the glass for a couple of days on my domestic work. I always rinse brush on for high stuff and commercial but never had on domestic. I got two complaints!!! Most houses were fine but for some reason two were not. Well I got two complains last year, going to be tough to beat that now!! Im rinsing off for domestics now ;)
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I rinse on the glass with a tilt on the brush lifting the left side off the glass and move right to left, seems to work for me.
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I rinse off the glass but only by a few millimeters. If the tips should touch a little it doesn't seem to matter. I often wonder if there is that much need to remove so many bristles on a brush for the jets? Gardiners take out six sets of bristles. (but then Alex knows what he's doing by now) ;)
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I rinse off the glass but only by a few millimeters. If the tips should touch a little it doesn't seem to matter. I often wonder if there is that much need to remove so many bristles on a brush for the jets? Gardiners take out six sets of bristles. (but then Alex knows what he's doing by now) ;)
We remove six sets of bristles (3 on each side) on the Bentley brush and the sill brush only. On the rest of the Vikan range we remove no bristles apart from the swivel brush where we remove four. The reason for removing bristles is purely to allow a clear line of sight for the jet. As the bristles on the Bentley are quite angled, this means needing to remove three sets of bristles each side.
Rinsing on, rinsing off - both can work but it's obvious which will have the higher success rate. With our monofilament prototype brushes, I can get away with rinsing on when doing higher work (notice the phrase 'get away with'). In my tests, I've always found that rinsing off will provide a quicker movement of particles. However, when dealing with larger bits on the glass, rinsing on, ie, using the brush to pull the bits off, can be quicker. Experiment and use each technique wisely!
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Morning Alex, another sensible reply as usual. :) How do you manage to stay out of the dross that pops up on here?
Anyway are we a couple of weeks away from the SL-X? That money is burning a hole in my pocket and if the weather doesn't improve i might catch fire soon. :)
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Morning Dave :)
Everything in place for 2-3 weeks (if no more delays!). Will keep everyone posted.
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I am forced to have the varistream on very high to get the main burner to light. I use a high flow anyway but this is higher than I would like- 2oclock-. So what seems to work is not turning the tap on fully, this seems to result in the water coming out pressured but in less quantity. Hence the thrishing sound. Apart from the odd chalky frame i've had no problems.
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I should have added to my post that whether you're successful at rinsing on the glass or not, has a lot to do with the brushes you use!
Rod
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I tried rinsing on the glass for a couple of days on my domestic work. I always rinse brush on for high stuff and commercial but never had on domestic. I got two complaints!!! Most houses were fine but for some reason two were not. Well I got two complains last year, going to be tough to beat that now!! Im rinsing off for domestics now ;)
What brush did you use Kev R?
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I virtually always rinse on the glass, there are occasions when you instinctively feel you have to rinse off the glass.
I also have quite a low flowrate too, and to date, rarely have any problems.
My general technique for repeat cleans on windows and frames in good condition:
1. Side to side a couple of times on the top of the window frame, and usually down the sides of the frame.
2. side to side quite quickly of the top of the glass where it meets the frame or glazing.
3. vigorously up and down moving along the width of the pane and quickly working down the pane, depending on the size of the pane of course.
4. With windows that have panes below I then wash the frame between the panes and continue down and across the rest of the window, finally finishing on the sill.
And thats it, when I scrub the glass I don't just pass over it once, it is scrubbed several times as I pass down the glass and on good windows that is more than enough.
There are many variants of course, you can tell to a certain degree by the 'drag' on the brush as you clean that you may need to go over the entire pane more than once, you can see the effect that the weather has had on the glass, and that can also tell you that you may need to take a little longer or adapt your technique.
Some windows have vents..well we all know we need to be very careful around them.
And if frames have oxidized you have to further adapt your technique.
I am using the superlite pole and brush, and have found this a good combination by the way.
Ian
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Ive been able to "rinse on the glass" ever since I got rid of the vikan flocked brush and replaced it with a salmon brush that has jets fitted.
I use a flow rate of around 2 litres per min, these two factors are the most important when it comes to results, as far as I can see, ive been wfp for almost three years now.
If I come across windows that bead instead of sheet i do spend an extra few seconds on the rinse.
On another note:
A couple of years ago when the vikans first became available a lot of users ( including me) changed over to them. There was a lot of hype about them ( and after all they did look good with TWO colours!!!)
The Ionics dual trim brush was slated on this and another forum as rubbish ( mainly because it was said that they went out of shape) There was and is a lot of anti Ionics feeling around.
Its been interesting to read lately how they now seem to be regarded as a decent bit of kit.
I still use my Ionics brush on higher work.
Ian
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I always rinse brush on, no complaints. I will never use a flocked brush because they trap the dirt in the bristles.
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Ive been able to "rinse on the glass" ever since I got rid of the vikan flocked brush and replaced it with a salmon brush that has jets fitted.
I use a flow rate of around 2 litres per min, these two factors are the most important when it comes to results, as far as I can see, ive been wfp for almost three years now.
If I come across windows that bead instead of sheet i do spend an extra few seconds on the rinse.
On another note:
A couple of years ago when the vikans first became available a lot of users ( including me) changed over to them. There was a lot of hype about them ( and after all they did look good with TWO colours!!!)
The Ionics dual trim brush was slated on this and another forum as rubbish ( mainly because it was said that they went out of shape) There was and is a lot of anti Ionics feeling around.
Its been interesting to read lately how they now seem to be regarded as a decent bit of kit.
I still use my Ionics brush on higher work.
Ian
Well they have designed a new brush (ionics) which (they say) is a lot harder wearing, because they needed more durability for their hotsystem. So the new ones should even be better then the old ones.
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Its common sense really that rinsing with the brush off will give better results!
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It's common sense that rinsing at height with brush off will lead to health problems later in your life. Keep doing it so that the rinse on WFP w/c's will take your work from you when you've buggered yourselves up.
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I always rinse on the glass-backbreaking work if you don't!!
Its a confidence thing I think, but you need to "chase" the drips down the glass with your brush, but also keep the brush slightly ahead of the main bulk of the water. Works perfectly fine for me and never get a complaint from my customers. ;)
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I use both methods depending on the window or job the higher i go though its brush on every time but for ground and first floor i prefer to do brush off i feel it does a better job having said that all the ones i do brush on have never complained so both ways work for me
Dean
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It's common sense that rinsing at height with brush off will lead to health problems later in your life. Keep doing it so that the rinse on WFP w/c's will take your work from you when you've buggered yourselves up.
Unless your some kind of wimp, rinsing off at up to 1st floor level is no problem at all!! ;)
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It's common sense that rinsing at height with brush off will lead to health problems later in your life. Keep doing it so that the rinse on WFP w/c's will take your work from you when you've buggered yourselves up.
Unless your some kind of wimp, rinsing off at up to 1st floor level is no problem at all!! ;)
It's accumulative, now you don't feel anything, in 10 years you most likely will. Just because you feel fine now, doesn't make it the best way to clean for your body.
Why lift if you don't have to? That's what I want to know.
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Ive been using both for the last 5 years what you have to be carefull with whn doing it on the glass is if you catch any part of a dirty fame with any of your brisltes you WILL leave dirty contaminated spots accross the glass. But it works both on and off but llike i said i use both depends on how big the glass is etc etc etc
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Rinsing on the glass allows me to work quicker, bringing in more dosh at the end of the day.
Plus I don't feel the strain on my lower back.
This forum is where we can go to get advise, and as usual there are all types available, take your pick
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It's common sense that rinsing at height with brush off will lead to health problems later in your life. Keep doing it so that the rinse on WFP w/c's will take your work from you when you've buggered yourselves up.
Unless your some kind of wimp, rinsing off at up to 1st floor level is no problem at all!! ;)
It's accumulative, now you don't feel anything, in 10 years you most likely will. Just because you feel fine now, doesn't make it the best way to clean for your body.
Why lift if you don't have to? That's what I want to know.
So how do you get your pole from one window to the next? Do you lift it by any chance? Or is that too dangerous for you!! ;D Rinsing off at up to 1st floor level puts absolutely no strain on your back in my opinion, and does a much better job!! ;)
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The only advice i can offer is dont do it too quickly after converting to wfp.
I did this after reading a thread a couple of weeks back and got problems! I was only on the second clean wfp and the dreaded spots were appearing ...... I have gone back to rinsing off but will deffo start to rinse on again .... to be safe i am gonna do it on 4th clean.
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Oh yeah you`ve got to get the window`s up to a standard first,don`t rinse on doing first cleans or you will get problems.