Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: MSTAV on January 25, 2008, 07:01:45 pm
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whats the best way to pay staff so they put the effort in and are on time and dont take the p.aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh they p me off. always want money money money but are so unreliable and slow. when i do get a good one he ends up starting up on hes own(seen what gets earnt) i used to pay him half of what he cleaned which i thought was good. what do you lot do??bonuses or insentives ect ect???? otherwise im going back to being a 1man band
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best way to go about this is ask yourself what would get you out of bed in a morning and keep you going all day long ?
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I had ten guys working for me several years ago, now i work on my own..does that answer your question :)
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lol yes sherico. ill prob be doing same...glad im not only 1 then
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Sherco i`m 10mins up the road from you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sherco i`m 10mins up the road from you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Where are you based..could put window cleaning your way when i get asked
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i have had a lad work for me for years and i pay him on a self employment basis which works for both of us
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T.wells area and surrounding villages,i do some work in Heathfield every 6 weeks right near the TV tower and Argos hill.
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I had 2 guys with me day in day out for about 6-7 years then i went WFP and woke up,if your working off ladders allday firstly your mad and secondly you do need help.I`m now WFP and am earning as much sometimes more than 3 of us were off ladders.
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T.wells area and surrounding villages,i do some work in Heathfield every 6 weeks right near the TV tower and Argos hill.
Im just about to start hardfloor and carpet cleaning, so if you dont do this work you could put it my way and i could put w/c yours.
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Yeah but dont you miss the banter ?
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Jonah i know what you mean but no not really,i`m far more focused on getting the work done,i enjoy the quiet drive to work in the morning and like my own company,when you do cream work all the time it makes you realise that the work you were doing before was just so you could pay there wages and by that i mean i was doing houses i would never take on now.It`s constant let downs that got to me and it wasn`t due to the pay,most of the time it was girlfreind problems,family trouble you know the stuff that has F*** all to do with me but i`m still not coming in,when i employ again it will be me supplying the van and system and them working on there own,having someone out earning the same as you day in day out will earn you serious money,with WFP i don`t see any point at all in having 2 in a van it`s pointless,if you have jobs when you think 2 of you will be needed then take both vans and meet at the job other than that in my opinion it should be one man to a van.
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Sherco that is a very very good idea,i`m only interested in the creme de menth though rodney. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i have double pumps in my van that equals double the work. i wouldnt like to work alone as there is more money to be made with extra hands. sorry, but common sense really!!
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Well I have worked for somone for 20 years , only one day but he is a good friend , always tell him if he is struggling he can pay me when hes flush .
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Rubbish all methods tried and tested over here and i`m quick on the blade and pole my freind,both of you can easily do 300 + a day each in separate vans but it`s more of a challenge doing that each day in one van,maybe every now and again but not every day.The first scenario is acheivable every day of the week month in month out.
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Have you thought about knitting ? whenever i feel stressed i get those balls of wool and me needles and it doesnt sem that important anymore .
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i tend to go with NWH here one man one van its nice too have some one to talk to but you never do double when theres two marc
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i have double pumps in my van that equals double the work. i wouldnt like to work alone as there is more money to be made with extra hands. sorry, but common sense really!!
common sence in a way as you would earn a bit more with 2, but if you have seperate vans you will earn more that is a fact
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Turnover more maybe, but what about the extra costs of running two vans? I think that a highly motivated 2 man team in one van should be able to make a higher profit than 2 vans carrying one man each.
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Turnover more maybe, but what about the extra costs of running two vans? I think that a highly motivated 2 man team in one van should be able to make a higher profit than 2 vans carrying one man each.
Think you are wrong there totally, I have 2 on the road work together earnings are less, a van is not expensive if you worked it out daily, losses from 2 working together works out alot over a month. this is IMO
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Turnover more maybe, but what about the extra costs of running two vans? I think that a highly motivated 2 man team in one van should be able to make a higher profit than 2 vans carrying one man each.
Think you are wrong there totally, I have 2 on the road work together earnings are less, a van is not expensive if you worked it out daily, losses from 2 working together works out alot over a month. this is IMO
I can guarantee that me and my brother working out of one van would easily take more than any of your 2 vans working with one cleaner in each. :P
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Turnover more maybe, but what about the extra costs of running two vans? I think that a highly motivated 2 man team in one van should be able to make a higher profit than 2 vans carrying one man each.
Think you are wrong there totally, I have 2 on the road work together earnings are less, a van is not expensive if you worked it out daily, losses from 2 working together works out alot over a month. this is IMO
I can guarantee that me and my brother working out of one van would easily take more than any of your 2 vans working with one cleaner in each. :P
It depends entirely on the work. The larger the job, the more true that is, but as the jobs get smaller the returns get less. Take a typical 3 bed semi with double bay front, maybe five or six in a road but too far apart to do without moving the van: Two men working on the same house will never do it in half the time it takes one man on his own. I know this because several years ago I employed and had a couple of vans with two men in each. Every night my partner and I would spend hours working out a schedule which allowed for both men to have an equal volume of work at every stop of the van. It was fine if they had (say) three houses each to do but if there was only one it wasn't worth it.
The bottom line is that for smaller jobs (say up to £25-ish) one man on his own will always do it in less than twice the time of two men together
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I agree to a point Ian, but this very much depends on the men doing the work. When I work with my brother, we motivate each other to work faster and faster, we have always been competitive with each other and this makes each job almost like a race to see who can work the quickest. I know for a fact that working together we do much more than double what I would do alone. However I have another bloke who works with me now and then, and he is totally different and would rather stand and chat than get on with the work, when he is with me we definately do less than double what I would achieve alone. But I still doubt it would justify the expense of a second van.
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Turnover more maybe, but what about the extra costs of running two vans? I think that a highly motivated 2 man team in one van should be able to make a higher profit than 2 vans carrying one man each.
Think you are wrong there totally, I have 2 on the road work together earnings are less, a van is not expensive if you worked it out daily, losses from 2 working together works out alot over a month. this is IMO
I can guarantee that me and my brother working out of one van would easily take more than any of your 2 vans working with one cleaner in each. :P
if you say so ::)
2 men cannot work faster when working together unless it a a commercial all day job, domestics no chance, you say you race with your brother I am happy for you and it is good to hear he motivates you, I personally motivate myself.
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Turnover more maybe, but what about the extra costs of running two vans? I think that a highly motivated 2 man team in one van should be able to make a higher profit than 2 vans carrying one man each.
Think you are wrong there totally, I have 2 on the road work together earnings are less, a van is not expensive if you worked it out daily, losses from 2 working together works out alot over a month. this is IMO
I can guarantee that me and my brother working out of one van would easily take more than any of your 2 vans working with one cleaner in each. :P
if you say so ::)
2 men cannot work faster when working together unless it a a commercial all day job, domestics no chance, you say you race with your brother I am happy for you and it is good to hear he motivates you, I personally motivate myself.
Actually we motivate each other, and I do motivate myself, but when 2 motivated people work together as a team it is amazing what can be achieved!! And we love it when somebody tells us that something cant be done, because it makes us even more determined to prove that it can!!!
ps, I'm glad your happy for me! ;)
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I think there are a few factors here
1) 2 people can achieve the same results as 2 single guys on thier own, but to do this day in day out is a real tall order. its a little bit like the hare and the tortoise race. to have one person on thier own is a lot more stable as he won't kill himself plodding along each day at a steady pace earning good money. 2 people going at it hammer and tong is to much work and in the long run employees will think you are expecting to much
however...
2) having a round supervisor and a window cleaner means you can structure the earnings accordingly. so instead of paying 2 lots of insurance, and van costs you can have 1 van, 2 people doing 150% more work than 1 person. if you structure the pay right you will achive the same if not slightly better results from 1 van than 2 seperate ones. it also gives your window cleaners a chance to prove themselves under a decent supervisor to eventually make him the supervisor himself. it looks a lot better from an image point of view having 2 per van and it also makes it not as much as a lonely job. if you can get them working off each others enthusiasm they will achieve more results, and have shorter weeks as a result. But pay them well for thier efforts.
these have been my findings ;)