Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Doug Holloway on January 24, 2008, 03:27:19 pm
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Hi Guys
How are those of you who have the Pro Mount machines finding them ?
Cheers
Doug
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I have the 20 and its a great machine, no probs here.
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Hi Paul
Is it easy to operate and maintain, I'm no engineer !
Cheers
Doug
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I've got pro mount 20, 300 hours on the clock no problems upto now , dead easy to service .
John
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Doug the good thing about these trucks is that they are not computerised so are very straight forward to maintain. Are you thinking of getting one?
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Hi Paul
Yes I am but not sure which offers the best option, Pro Mount, Alltec Cobalt , Prowler or Prochem Blazer.
Cheers
Doug
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Hi Doug,
we have the pro mount 18 and have had it for a year, no problems at all, very satisfied with it, and i would say it is very easy to maintain (and i hate mechanics)!
We were going to go for the prowler, but for a few more pounds you can have the full set up.
regards
steve
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you need to cut down your options.
lets take the blazer & the Cobolt.... no comparison, the Cobolt has a bigger engine and a bigger blower so unless its way more expensive then chose the Cobolt.
so now compare the Cobolt and the Pro-mount. the cobolt has a 22hp kohler engine the promount 20-25hp so the engine will be comparable and so will the blowers. but 'in my opinion' it like comparing Mercedes to fiat, blueline easily win plus I know good looks don't get the carpets any cleaner, but the Cobolt is definitely a beautiful looking machine
so..... so far the cobolt wins.
The only chose you have is between the Prowler and the Cobolt, each one has its own benefits the prowler is a lot cheaper and will fit in a smaller van(no waste tank) its also demountable so is more flexible. but the Cobolt has more power and agian looks good.
If I was choosing and had the money I'd buy the Cobolt ( But I've got a huge van, so space isn't an ssue)
If I was working to a budget and had a smaller van I would chose the Prowler.
Mike
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You get more for your money with Promount but the service from Woodbridge is not renouned, why have you discounted Hydramaster machines? although I can see with your location that Woodbridge and Alltec are close by so that is a definate plus.
Prowlers are so simple they don't really break down, the 15hp should be good when JK gets it.
Shaun
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The cobalt is a really good price at the moment but when you add everything else you need its not such a bargain.I recently requested a quote for a van and colbalt from alltec £36,000 :o
Looked at the pro mount but at the time a few people were having problems and its a long way to go if it did go wrong as it would be if you bought a prowler but the difference is with the prowler you can put it on a pallet if anything goes wrong.
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Hi Guys
Yes the Cobalt seems good value but there are a lot of add ons.
From Leigh on Sea, Woodbridge are 38 miles, Alltec 74 and Hydramaster 351 whci is a long way.
Cheers
Doug
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I have a spitfire and a pro mount 20 running at the moment. I think the hydramaster machine are well made and i actually have it fitted in a long wheel base transit connect. the only problem is the drive to oxforsd to service it or cornwall to have it installed.
The promount is well made and easy to maintain and the power is awesome. we have easily and regually run 300ft with no problem. Generally we have had more problems with the promount and have had no hassle with woodbridge helping to sort them out. I like the spitfire as it is a easy machine to service and run. But woodbridge are so close to me and the promounts are good machines. Personally the next one i buy will be the 18 as i dont use the 20 to its full power ever
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Steve,
The £36,000 is not for everything you need, but for everything you want. Another £10,000 on top and you could have had mine. 8)
Dave.
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Hydramaster do give you an all in price but the Blueline do have lots more extras but like anything else if you ask any supplier you can have anything you want.
Electric solution reels must be expensive and are for old greying men that need to put their pipes away while they go to the toilet!
Then there's the liner in the van which is very professional and at £1200 should be, so if you get it down to the bare bones I bet you could shave quite a bit off but do you really want to?
Shaun
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Shaun,
I think the Biggest saving to be made would be on the Van ?? Do you really need a BRAND new van ?? I would buy a nearly new one from the like of Motorpoint, however i've not been going as long as most.
Paul
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Paul you may be right but the way I look at it is that if your van breaks you can't use your TM also an older van is just that, if you buy a 12 month old van you will get rid 12 months earlier so you have to move the TM across and those things are always troublesome.
But like you say you can get great savings on a pre registered or slight seconds van.
Unless you get a prowler then you can put it anywhere.
Shaun
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True about the savings, but then Alltec did supply mine at £2,500 less than the local dealers best price, even with £3,500 cashback off Citroen, and more than £3,000 discount from themselves.
Dave.
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HI Doug
Ive had the pro 25 for over 2 years now with no problems. I live in Plymouth which is near to Hydramaster but i chose a woodbridge and im glad i did, they are half the price and very cheap to maintain. As for the service from woodbridge i can only speak as i find and they are spot on. In the near future i hope to purchase another truckmount and i can assure you the only place im going to is back to woodbridge.
Steve.
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i would forget who has the biggest pumps or blowers or any technicall issues, at the end of the day any t/m should make a bloddy good job of cleaning a carpet!
facts are
Alltec have the best service in the industry
Woodbridge have the worst
i have had my woodbridge machine for just over a year
2 new pumps
3 new thermostats
new length of hose
new float switch in water tank
the pressure dial has fell of in my hands and been repaired twice
the hose reel has siezed up and been repaired
new connectors on front of machine twice
whole machine having to be descalled and cleaned out as it kept cutting out 10+ times
belt tightened as pump stopped working once
and a heap of other problems
it has cost me countless days of work
i have broken down on the job at least 5 times
i hav had to cancell around 25 jobs because of it
i hav lost count of the ammount of times i hav had to phone them for advice whilst im on site because something isnt working correctly
And had to pay Alltec to fix it twice even when it was suposidly under warranty simply because i couldnt bear to take it to Woodbridge to get repaired any longer.
And to top it all of woodbridge are taking me to court because i refuse to pay a invoice for about £600 for a water softener they supplied that would aparantly sort out all my problems (that didnt) i have tried to return it to them but they dont want it?
A good portion of the invoice is 4 hours labour for fitting it, and the only fitting required is four self tapping screws into my ply lined van ::)
Im sure i must be the unlucky one because most people with these machines love them and havent had the problems i have had, but boy is there opinion gona change in a year or two down the line when things do start to fail and they get treated the way i hav.
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Wow red carpet (sorry dont know your name).
Shame you've had such a bum deal from woodbridge.
When i had a problem with my pro mount machine they came up trumps.
I've had other problems similar but nothing compared to you.
As for them taking you to court over a faulty item, thats just not done.......
Nice to hear from you again my friend, shame its all bad!!
Let us know how you get on, we're all interested to know.
All the best,
Jason.
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Id say all new Tms will run fine for a few years and servicing is cheap on them all ie. its only oil and filters.
It really comes down to service and who you can trust not price. Also dont buy an entry level machine as youll very soon want a bigger one. Bit like buying a 2x2 stage portable then you want 2x3 stage and so on.
They all have their pros and cons. Hydramaster are without doubt the leaders in the UK for sales and most importantly after sales service. They are on call by mobile too 24 hours a days although Ive never needed them after hours apart from a Saturday.
Having said that my van is being repaired two days next week so Im stuck with paper work. Maybe if I had a prowler then ££££ could be made.
Mark
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Hi red
Just one question were you the guy that put dirty water or something in you clean water tank.And then ran it through your system and messed
The whole machine up.Like i said ive had my machine over the 2 years now.And with proper serviceing ive had no problems ,like many others i fine the machine very reliable.Guess im one of the luckey ones
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Red
If what you say were true (not saying it’s not) I would not be a happy bunny it would be high noon time if I were right!
Can you quantify quote (And had to pay Alltec to fix it twice even when it was suposidly under warranty) unquote? Was it same problem or a new one?
For the love of me I can’t understand why people buy a water softener onboard system at that price unless they are direct feed.
Mark
Nothing wrong with an entry machine I’ve had mine 6 years (thanks express) it dose the job, a few problems not within warranty, which I sort out myself, ninja thinking/toying with upgrading the pump it feels inadequate.
Jewell
As the yanks say one can buy a lemon but sometime you can be the lemon (I’ve returned some crap tools)
Len
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Woodbridge were and are trying to claim i ran dirty water through the machine and got it all blocked up with sand but it is not sand, i belive it to be a problem with limescale myself.
the first time it happened was over a year ago and the whole system has been drained and refilled, cleaned out flushed through countless times, it has been descalled more times than i can remember. Every time it is cleaned out it works fine and within a few days/weeks the whole system is cloged up and blooked again.
Considering the ammount of times its been filled and cleaned out over the last year (and its still hapening) i think there argument that i filled it up with dirty water is running a bit thin on the ground now ::)
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Hi Red,
Sorry to hear your still recieveing the thin edge of the wedge from John boy at woodbridges. Before you all start slapping this lad down first you all need to see how they fitted the machine in his van . A class of 5 year old could have done a better job and this is just one of them. The short time I spent with them opened my eye's to poor workmanship. Sadly I have to say the Chem-tex product is great its the service or lack of that is provided by Woodbridges. No one there has a clue how to fit these machines neatly in a van, all they are concerned about it getting hold of your money. :'(
It is true to say that Red does has a hard water problem in his area where he lives, but frankly the water softer system they fitted was cobled together and I'd be very surprised if what they fitted will cure his problem.
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it'a shame really because it would have blown a hole in UK TM prices but when it comes down to it the profit to have full time fitters for TMs may have been to high.
Shaun
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Hi Red
I done the same as you and put crap in the clean water tank, but only a small amount, in the end i put an inline filter on the front of the machine, so every couple of days i could clean it out easily. This took 4 months or more to get rid of the problem, so with a hard water problem as well what a nightmare.
Len as for lemons, You dont put diesel in a petrol car and blame the garage and as for crap tools, Ive bought crap machines from so called top manafacturers and now i know at rip off prices and when i had problems it was a case of (SEE YOU LATER JOB).
But at (JOHN BOY'S) woodbridge i speak as i find and they have been as good as gold to me.
Hi Dave, if i remember rightly someone on here phoned up a manufacturer i.e Prochem to check if a van was ok and that the machine would fit in properly and after they had bought the van they then went to have the machine fitted and ooops it didnt fit. They must have gone to town and wore their spurs as well that day. What an expensive mistake to make and costly for the poor customer.
Other T/M manufacturer are fitting T/M's very near or actually overweight for the type of vehicle they are putting them into, there was a debate on the T/M forum about this issue which could have dire consequenses if caught, so i dont think that JOHN BOY isnt looking too bad at all when all the different issues get brought out into the open.
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Hi Jewell’s
I'm not about to go into a full blown slanging match of who fits what best, All I can say from what I have seen fitted at Woodbridges leaves a lot to be desired. From what I saw fitted in your van Jewell’s you are one of the lucky ones.
Imagine having a 50 gal water tank with a 25hp machine on top right at the very rear of your van, Now picture the seen your travelling up the motor way in pouring rain the front end of your van is aqua plaining with all the weight on the back end, with very little control over your steering and only rear brakes to stop you, need I say more. And I saw plenty fitted that way :-[
Red is quite correct in what he says about the poor fit on his water softener system (screwed to the side of his van with self tapers) into 1/8" plywood.
I hope Red can come to an amicable agreement With Woodbridges over this and settle out of court.
It was Hydramaster that fitted the machine in Dave Washbrooks van (Max 450 in a Trany.)
poop happens but he had steering and brakes. Sad part he was right on his weight limit.
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Hi Dave,
Ill call you soon.
Before I got my new TM recently, I was shopping around for quotes on the ones that I was interested in.
The first company I responded to was Prochem, a firm I have dealt with all my Carpet cleaning days. They had a special offer going on the NEW Everest. However it seemed they had jumped the gun with the offer. When the first machine arrived from the States they realised that the way it was set up, the exhaust would be a minimun of 4" inside the largest side door van available in the UK. They also werent sure whether they were going to be able to get it in the van at all. They would get back to me - but never did.
Dave.
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Hi Red,
If you live in a hard water area as i do as well expect to have to de-scale your machine on a regular basis. I do mine every couple of weeks and am always amazed how much crud comes out when i do it.
If you want a chat about it please give me a call, have been running a pro mount for about 6 months now so might be able to offer some advice. My number is 07721 827163.
All the best,
Jason.
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How do you descale them ? I got 2 bottles of descaler off woodbridge with me last service kit not done it yet
Thanks John
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My accountant has advised me I need to spend some money,so I've ordered another prowler as I was so pleased with the other one,got a good trade in value off restormate.So anyone looking for a good well looked after prowler just over a year old contact John Kelly but be quick it won't be there for long.Might get a new van too but don't tell the wife ;)
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And a New Wand Steve don't forget the Wand :o
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And a New Wand Steve don't forget the Wand :o
Got one of greenie greenhorns coming ;)
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A good portion of the invoice is 4 hours labour for fitting it, and the only fitting required is four self tapping screws into my ply lined van ::)
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Wow! Tell me you guys don't really have TMs installed routinely this way?