Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Kev R on January 18, 2008, 06:17:05 pm
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I have quite a few jobs at between 40 and 60 feet. These I have been rinsing with the brush on the glass (mostly commercial) because its too hard on the body to lift the brush to rinse. On 99% of domestic I lift the brush from the glass to rinse.
I use a monofilament brush with no 2 pencil jets on all my poles
I saw a post the other day (that I can no longer find) about using bigger jets for rinsing brush on glass.
Anybody do this or have any advice please?
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It`s not by having bigger jets it`s the brush and flowrate,at the heights your talking about you don`t even need to be thinking about lifting off to rinse,just turn up the flow and stick to your mono brush.I hardly ever lift off to rinse on upstairs windows of any height there`s no need to,it`s all about confidence once you see that it`s hardly needed it will really speed you up.
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It`s not by having bigger jets it`s the brush and flowrate,at the heights your talking about you don`t even need to be thinking about lifting off to rinse,just turn up the flow and stick to your mono brush.I hardly ever lift off to rinse on upstairs windows of any height there`s no need to,it`s all about confidence once you see that it`s hardly needed it will really speed you up.
In theory, I agree........................................
Not got the guts to do it though ::) ::) ::)
David
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Agree.
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This is an interesting post. I personally rinse off the glass on all windows, I zig zag down the window which makes those little bits of dirt flow off the glass ( understand ?). Well when you rinse on the glass do you brush those bits of with a downward motion?
(http://lh6.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R5D5lZiYdZI/AAAAAAAAAns/2ou21Liou_o/rinsing%20off.JPG?imgmax=400)
(http://lh3.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R5D5npiYdaI/AAAAAAAAAn0/7hnxlO2kXJc/rinsing%20on.JPG?imgmax=400)
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Always rinse brush on regardless of height with a Tucker brush and plenty of water.
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A good brush should retain next to no dirt or bits,what i do is jet my brushes with them at the front of the stock,therefore when you go down the window on the final strokes the water is the last thing on the glass.Jetting your brushes like this has the same effect as the ionics overhead jets this allows you to rinse on the glass,if your having problems with rinsing on your probobly using a flocked brush.
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luke the brush you bought off of ebat the black ionic one that people said was a fake is that mono or flock do you still use it what do you think of it as i have one if i was to change it what would you recomend
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NWH
what i do is jet my brushes with them at the front of the stock,
Can you explain a bit more and if its what i think it is, what jets do you use and where can i get them from?
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I use mono brushes NWH, but am unsure how you are going about rinsing on - could you explain? thanks
mbs. I don't like the ionics dual trim mono anymore, I much prefer my mono vikans and sometimes a super-lite brush. The vikan is a really good brush but much too heavy, but I make do!!! Luke
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There just standard 2mm jets but like you say positioned at the front of the stock,if your using a flocked brush you could always do what some other wc`s do and use car windscreen water jets positioned actually on the top of the brush and not drilled through the stock at all.By doing that your be almost certain that water will be the last thing on the glass,the best ones to go for if you choose this way are jets from audi or volvo`s they give a better more even jet of water.
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Vikan mono,oh my god i hate that brush. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I thought I would hate it but I dont. So how do you go about rinsing on NWH after scrubbing the glass? Luke
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I use mono brushes NWH, but am unsure how you are going about rinsing on - could you explain? thanks
mbs. I don't like the ionics dual trim mono anymore, I much prefer my mono vikans and sometimes a super-lite brush. The vikan is a really good brush but much too heavy, but I make do!!! Luke
why dont you like it any more luke i love it
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This is an interesting post. I personally rinse off the glass on all windows, I zig zag down the window which makes those little bits of dirt flow off the glass ( understand ?). Well when you rinse on the glass do you brush those bits of with a downward motion?
(http://lh6.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R5D5lZiYdZI/AAAAAAAAAns/2ou21Liou_o/rinsing%20off.JPG?imgmax=400)
(http://lh3.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R5D5npiYdaI/AAAAAAAAAn0/7hnxlO2kXJc/rinsing%20on.JPG?imgmax=400)
Thanks for all the replies but what technique should you use if leaving your brush on the glass with a standard jetted brush?
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Luke
Regarding your rinsing diagrams for rinsing with brush on glass. If the window is narrow I zig zag across the entire length. If it's really wide glass then I do it in stages as per the second diagram or a combination of both. The most important thing about rinsing with brush on is using a mono filament brush which doesn't retain the dirt particles in the bristles and having a sufficent flow of water so there is some weight pulling the dirt down.
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I would point out that water flows down on it's own (not zig zag as in diagram).
I mainly use a flocked brush and rinse on, mainly down.
I believe a hot system retains less dirt in the brush.
And of course I do have a high flow rate.
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thanks for the help!
would point out that water flows down on it's own (not zig zag as in diagram).
that zig zag is the direction in which I send the jets, I know gravity takes water downwards, unless physics are different here in Wales :)
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Some little arrows acknowledging that would have been nice.
What Wayne said is slightly different to what I said(I'm flocked and fan he's mono and jet) . But I think Wayne will agree that no matter what he did , with his system it's very hard to do a bad job. I used to get the odd complaint- even rinsing brush off, but now it comes out right no matter what i do.
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What people don`t realise i think is that the odd bits of dirt that is left on the glass when cleaning make no difference the end result 9 x out of 10 when dried,by bits of dirt i mean a few speckles.
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Some little arrows acknowledging that would have been nice.
What Wayne said is slightly different to what I said(I'm flocked and fan he's mono and jet) . But I think Wayne will agree that no matter what he did , with his system it's very hard to do a bad job. I used to get the odd complaint- even rinsing brush off, but now it comes out right no matter what i do.
I use to use the fan spray nozzles above the brush head on the Tucker poles but on windy days the water would spray everywhere causing dirt to run down the glass after it had dried.I lost a lot of customers using overhead spray so i decided to use pencil jets with brush on glass all the time. So long as there is a decent flow of water it's fine as it will pull all/almost all of the dirt down. The only glass I'll possibly clean with the brush off the glass is the front doors with them tiny panes of glass everywhere as it's sometimes quicker and easier. On windows though my brush never comes off until I've finished.
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I use pencil.
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Its a confidence thing. I have tried to do it but find it hard.
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Thinking about it scrub and rinse ..... Then the option of rinse on or rinse off maybe I do neither...
What I am actually doing as I am using a brush is scrub and sweep , downwards usually but not always.
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I suppose you don't just scrub the window a few times and walk away?
You scrub the window then rince downwards with the brush ON the glass?
I do that with my UNGER BEAST at 25 -30ft using a Bently (superlight type) brush
David
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Yes.
But what I'm suggesting is a new word- sweep- to describe this technique.
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I always rinse with the brush on the glass, though there are occasions when I lift off, they are few and far between.
I don't even have that high a flow rate, to be honest, I think that you need a higher flow rate to rinse off the glass than on anyway.
But I think that mostly it is a waste of time and water to rinse off the glass.
You are continuously rinsing with fresh water all the time you are cleaning the glass, if the windows are dirtier than normal then I simply wash them for longer.
It doesn't slow me down, I'm still roughly 10 minutes or so on a standard 3 bed semi....not that I do that many of them though.
When you work on your technique for long enough, you know instinctively when you are cleaning the glass when you have cleaned it enough, and you also get to know those certain windows on your round where you need to vary your method a little to get them right.
Ian
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Yes.
But what I'm suggesting is a new word- sweep- to describe this technique.
does swoosh sound better?, we are alrerady using a brush on a stick they will think we are road sweepers next.
Ian Giles? for you.
How do you stop the bits on the glass when rinsing on?
I have tried it a few times and I can see bits (which I guess are from the brush)
this is something I will learn just need help getting there :)
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Agree with that too.
I'm saying rinse (off), rinse on, and what I do sweep, because I brush down and this descibes the final actions better.
So I scrub and then sweep. I'm not saying this is the best way, just that it describes what i do better.
Sorry if this is pedantic but I'm just trying to sneak a new word in.
Just read WW, very good, in fact brilliant, in fact even better. Nike paid someone a lot of money to come up with that word, and I mean a lot of money, it is brilliant because it's so evocative the Nike swoosh, but unfortunatley they have already bagged it.
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Agree with that too.
I'm saying rinse (off), rinse on, and what I do sweep, because I brush down and this descibes the final actions better.
So I scrub and then sweep. I'm not saying this is the best way, just that it describes what i do better.
Sorry if this is pedantic but I'm just trying to sneak a new word in.
Just read WW, very good, in fact brilliant, in fact even better. Nike paid someone a lot of money to come up with that word, and I mean a lot of money, it is brilliant because it's so evocative the Nike swoosh, but unfortunatley they have already bagged it.
maybe they can sponsor it :)
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Words that are truthfull are very powerfull.
Whilst still calling myself a window cleaner it does say on my van that I do window washing, because this is what I do.
But you already know that.
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Words that are truthfull are very powerfull.
Whilst still calling myself a window cleaner it does say on my van that I do window washing, because this is what I do.
But you already know that.
hence why I have the name window washers ;D