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Title: DI cannisters
Post by: JSMC on January 18, 2008, 05:13:18 pm
someone posted on here wher eyou could buy them cheap who was it?

TDS is 30 on my meter and have been told twin DI set up is best way to go. 

what is best size Di cannisters? 25l too big i guess?
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: clean on January 18, 2008, 05:19:59 pm
Here you go  ;)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/di-filter-vessle-pole-cleaning-water-window-cleaning_W0QQitemZ150204711632QQihZ005QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: EasycleanWindows on January 18, 2008, 05:21:04 pm
no i use 25ltr you only need one lasts 2-3 years before changing
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: JSMC on January 18, 2008, 05:22:56 pm
been reading and a lot of people say use 2 and shake them every so often.

what size you reckon be suited to a 400 ltr tank
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: macmac on January 18, 2008, 06:25:02 pm
been reading and a lot of people say use 2 and shake them every so often.

what size you reckon be suited to a 400 ltr tank

25ltr are too big for your circumstances IMO, 2 x 11 or 13Ltr will be fine.

wether 11 or 25ltr you're not saving any more on resin in the long run, just 25ltr are a lot bigger so less space in van. ;)

tony
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: alanwilson on January 18, 2008, 11:36:33 pm
better to have two smaller di's in tandem than one big vessel.

when used in series you can use the resin to its full capacity.
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: JSMC on January 19, 2008, 09:32:34 am
2 x 11ltr be adequate then you think
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: JSMC on January 20, 2008, 02:26:44 pm
so 11ltr tanks be ok then ?
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: 007 or what on January 20, 2008, 02:47:53 pm
Do you put the di before the pump or after? :D
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: DASERVICES on January 20, 2008, 02:52:19 pm
di - tank - pump.

Some do tank - di - pump but you can encounter problems with your pump with that set up.
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: alanwilson on January 20, 2008, 02:53:40 pm
in both our vans the di is before the pump, I was told this is the best way so that the vessel doesn't crack with pressure over time.

we also have 2 di vessels before the holding tank
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: jampot on January 20, 2008, 02:54:02 pm
di - tank - pump.

Some do tank - di - pump but you can encounter problems with your pump with that set up.

thats what imdoing   ::) ::)
il have to di before the tank
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: macmac on January 20, 2008, 06:44:33 pm
tank - pump - DI - to hose reel is the proper set up. no way will a DI vessel crack or fail under such little pressure. ;)

2 x 11Ltr DI vessels will be perfect.

tony
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: vivaro 013 on January 20, 2008, 07:04:44 pm
11Ltr DI vessels were do you buy these at
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: dave0123 on January 20, 2008, 07:06:08 pm
I bought mine from www.cleaningspot.co.uk free delivery too.


Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: vivaro 013 on January 20, 2008, 07:38:53 pm
check out d i vessels on cleaning spot site, there is a smaller vessels which connects to your gpd 200/300 for final polish of water , could this be connected after your pump in the van , yes or no
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: jouk45 on January 20, 2008, 08:11:37 pm
www.cleantech.co.uk  do reconditioned ones,
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: marc on January 20, 2008, 09:42:22 pm
the link that was put up is where i just brought two from 2x 4.6lt only small but it keeps weight down in van and i only want as back up as i put pure in tank but if we are away or run out of water then this will get us out of trouble
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: dave0123 on January 20, 2008, 10:40:01 pm
Quote
check out d i vessels on cleaning spot site, there is a smaller vessels which connects to your gpd 200/300 for final polish of water , could this be connected after your pump in the van , yes or no

Are you talking about the small ones? 700ml

If so you could do but you would be better off getting a bigger one for your van tbh like 11ltr vessel save u changing resin all time.
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: 007 or what on January 21, 2008, 05:12:30 pm
I'm wanting a DI in the van so i know its 000 coming out of the jets 99% of the time, so i'm still not sure what to do , do i buy 2 little ones or a big 11 ltr one?

i'm in need of a di in the van do i put it after the tank before pump,
 or after pump before hose reel? :-\ :-\ :-\

please help
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: 007 or what on January 22, 2008, 05:46:39 pm
Anybody?

PLEASE
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: windowwashers on January 22, 2008, 06:21:59 pm
I'm wanting a DI in the van so i know its 000 coming out of the jets 99% of the time, so i'm still not sure what to do , do i buy 2 little ones or a big 11 ltr one?

i'm in need of a di in the van do i put it after the tank before pump,
 or after pump before hose reel? :-\ :-\ :-\

please help
if you are having di in van where are you making your water ?
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: 007 or what on January 23, 2008, 05:13:14 pm
At home 1000 ltr tank in shed ???
Thanks for getting back.
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: windowwashers on January 23, 2008, 05:14:46 pm
At home 1000 ltr tank in shed ???
Thanks for getting back.
right i need to start from the begining,

you have 1000l tank in shed, are you using ro?
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 23, 2008, 05:19:45 pm
I'm wanting a DI in the van so i know its 000 coming out of the jets 99% of the time, so i'm still not sure what to do , do i buy 2 little ones or a big 11 ltr one?

i'm in need of a di in the van do i put it after the tank before pump,
 or after pump before hose reel? :-\ :-\ :-\

please help

You can put the DI after the pump, before the hose reel (some put it before the pump though). I would always recommend twin DI canisters as this will prolong your resin life. If your vehicle tank TDS is fairly low (below 10ppm) then you can just use twin 700ml canisters, but these would need to be proper 1/2" fitting type so as not to restrict flow rate. The best solution would be twin larger vessels (8 litre size) as these would last a very long time, would not restrict flow rate and would make the best use of the resin.
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: 007 or what on January 24, 2008, 06:12:21 pm
Thank you alex thats what i needed to know.  ;)
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: alanwilson on January 24, 2008, 06:39:53 pm
macmac if you care to look at the label on the vessels it clearly says 10bar (147psi), now as I use 6mm microbore and a high flow rate I have had to have my varistream adjusted so that the pump doesn't cut out too soon, the pump now shuts off at 132psi which is 9bar. With running so close to the recommended max pressure the vessels can take then yes they can crack/fail over time.  Its called creep stress.
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: macmac on January 24, 2008, 09:52:17 pm
macmac if you care to look at the label on the vessels it clearly says 10bar (147psi), now as I use 6mm microbore and a high flow rate I have had to have my varistream adjusted so that the pump doesn't cut out too soon, the pump now shuts off at 132psi which is 9bar. With running so close to the recommended max pressure the vessels can take then yes they can crack/fail over time.  Its called creep stress.

nothing short of nonesense. ;)

tony
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: frames to panes on January 24, 2008, 10:02:48 pm
Not being funny, but how do you get a 100psi pump up to 132psi?
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: alanwilson on January 24, 2008, 11:20:15 pm
when you turn the internal dial up on your varistream it increases the cut off pressure.

macmac don't believe me then fine but the fact remains tht the vessels are only designed to be used up to a max of 147psi and everytime I disconnect the pole it gets very close to the limit - I'd rather just be careful.  Anyway whats wrong with putting the vessel before the pump or more to the point WHY would I put it after the pump (don't know why I have a vessel in each van - already got 2 after my ro)
Title: Re: DI cannisters
Post by: macmac on January 25, 2008, 11:04:26 am
when you turn the internal dial up on your varistream it increases the cut off pressure.

macmac don't believe me then fine but the fact remains tht the vessels are only designed to be used up to a max of 147psi and everytime I disconnect the pole it gets very close to the limit - I'd rather just be careful.  Anyway whats wrong with putting the vessel before the pump or more to the point WHY would I put it after the pump (don't know why I have a vessel in each van - already got 2 after my ro)

Every time you disconnect your pole everything from the pump to end of hose is under the same pressure- pipe, connections, stop-end etc. surely, if the pressure was so great that it was of concern evrything would start popping off & bursting?
I've run 2 DI vessels for 4 years & on some big jobs taken them out of van & run them from mains, again with stop ends on hose. both vessels have been under massive pressure & never failed nor had even to be maintained in any way. A typical domestic radiator has a max working pressure of 10 bar & yes, if was subjected to such pressure for 15 years, with natural corrosion it might just fail. The concequenses of this happening though could be quite drastic ( flooded house ). What would be the worst could happen to you with a 50 quid DI vessel in the back of your van?
You worry too much ;)
As for DI after pump, in my experience doing it this way is less likely to get air in the system from the connections on the DI's, that's all.


Tony