Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Andrew44 on January 16, 2008, 11:11:24 am
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I'm getting a wooden shed and intend to have 650 ltrs ibc in it. Is there any otehrs who keep this weight of water in a wooden shed? Does this seem to be sensible or is this weight too heavy??
Shed companies said it should be OK but they would say that !!
Thanks
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Go for it and let us know what happens will you? Centre the tank over the floor beams, and spread the load over some extra floor panels.
Keep mice out.
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Shouldn't be a problem but I would suggest perhaps some paving slabs to support the floor directly under where you will place the tank.
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You don't want MORE weight on the floor for heaven's sake! You want more STRENGTH. Please don't put concrete slabs onto a wooden floor unless you want it and the tank to have a conversation with the earth!
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???????? when you put a shed up you put the slabs UNDERNEATH the floor not inside the shed! thought that was OBVIOUS?
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In that case you may as well set the shed on a bed of wet concrete and get all the problems of water rising into the shed floor. Same thing will happen if you put slbs under the shed. You need free air flow.
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oh sorry, my mistake, I didn't realise you had a floating shed????
Well all I will say is the two sheds in my garden both have slabs in the corners and I have no problem with the floor whatsoever!
Either way whatever you use, wood, concrete etc...........damp will always rise?
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It's an ark, not a shed, and the animals' urine is playing havoc with the floor.
I'd put the shed on its bearers in the usual way and reinforce the shed floor (inside) with floor panels like you line a loft with.
Don't put so much flooring in that you can't get the IBC in.
Then again, why have it in a shed? Just leave it outside and cover with black plastic to prevent algae growth.
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this is taken from a professional shed company, perhaps your better off seeking their advice?
Shed Bases
Sheds need to be on a good foundation, though not necessarily as substantial a foundation as is sometimes thought. A large solid concrete slab will of course be excellent, but is a considerable amount of effort to mix and lay the concrete required for even a modest shed. If you decide on this route, then the slab should be at least 100mm - 4" thick. Generally the larger the shed and the more it used as somewhere to work - walking in and out regularly, the more substantial the base needs to be.
Wooden sheds always come with a wooden floor, usually consisting of tongue and groove boards held together with battens, these will come into contact with the ground and no matter how well soaked in preservative they are, they will rot if placed directly on the soil and so need something to keep them off the soil.
The purpose of a shed base is to provide a level platform for the shed so it can be erected properly and to keep the wood away from damp soil. If anything it is useful to have the shed base standing slightly proud - half to an inch will do - of the surrounding soil.
Perfectly adequate for the majority of purposes for simple storage sheds up to about 8ft x 6ft is a base of paving slabs laid dry onto levelled soil.
Mark out the area of the shed, strip off the turf if there is any and smooth out the the soil as well as you can.
Lay a string line along 2 edges of the shed and place the first slab in the corner, level it using a spirit level for most purposes, soil is perfectly adequate to level the slabs except if your shed is being placed somewhere fairly damp or perhaps low lying.
If you want a more stable and solid base or if the area is damp or low lying, a dry sand and cement mix of 8 parts builders sand to 1 part cement could be laid as a bed below the slabs to a depth of about 2 inches. This will also make it easier to level the area and to ensure the slabs are horizontal above it as the sand-cement is easier to move around than soil and settles less.
Lay the next slab against the long edge and level it with the first using the spirit level. Continue until the first row are all laid, then start on the second.
Put the wooden shed base on your slab base and build the shed. I'd always give the underside of the base a really good couple of coats of preservative before it goes down as you'll probably never see it again.
You can get by with less than a complete covering of slabs, as long as you have the full length of the battens that hold together the floor supported
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Get a van and put the tank in there?
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Thanks for your advice guys. I have actually got paving slabs down and 6 6ft fence post on top for air circulation. The errection aspects are OK but wondered if anyone had that weight in a shed.
Thanks anyway
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like I said earlier, am sure you will be ok just support the area underneath where the tank will sit?
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Trevor. I was thinking of having it on a wooden pallet to spread the load. I know this is more weight but hopefully the extra weight spread over a larger area will be better.
It will be at back of shed eitehr across ways or running with line of shed. Don't know until I see it.
Thanks
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Spreading the weight is the key Andrew.
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Andrew, If your concerned about the weight of the tank on the floor, Just make sure the shed is on slabs,(or good foundation) and there is nothing stopping you adding extra timbers Underneath.
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I have a 6 inch reinforced concrete base under my shed, but the shed floor easy takes the weight, thats 1000L IBC. A friend of mine has 400L on the decking.
Simon.
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Thanks guys
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i have a tiny shed old shed with 1000 litre ibc full in there, no problem... about 2 foot of the floor with brick pillars each corner to hold it up to help with filling tanks, gravity..
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what a thread
My option would be just take the floor out and lay on slabs, any condensation on the tank will drain away under the slabs, afterall your not going to live it, its only for a IBC
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When it said payload of shed I thought you were referring to my wife's old Rover!
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what a thread
My option would be just take the floor out and lay on slabs, any condensation on the tank will drain away under the slabs, afterall your not going to live it, its only for a IBC
Exactly what I think. You basically just want to build four walls and a roof around the thing. Fortget the floor!
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like I said earlier, am sure you will be ok just support the area underneath where the tank will sit?
Sit your shed on top of breeze blocks with sheets of polystyrene laid on top of breeze blocks to prevent damp rising up through to the floor of shed.
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like I said earlier, am sure you will be ok just support the area underneath where the tank will sit?
Sit your shed on top of breeze blocks with sheets of polystyrene laid on top of breeze blocks to prevent damp rising up through to the floor of shed.
but then condensation will run down the sides of the IBC and lay ontop of the polystyrene and that will cause more damp problems
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Leave it (IBC) outside and just put a tarpaulin sheet over it. That's all I do.
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Thats what I said
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Build your own shed - I did. I laid paving slabs on levelled sand then made the floor from 3x2 bearers at 2' centres with 3/4" plywood screwed to them. I have two 1000lt IBC's linked together and set on stands that I made from 6x6 upright timbers connected by 4x2 crossmembers at the base and top. I don't have any worries about whether the floor will take the weight ;)
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what about 'Super-Gravity'? Take this seriously and you will keep both your karma AND your tank on/in terra firma.
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what a thread
My option would be just take the floor out and lay on slabs, any condensation on the tank will drain away under the slabs, afterall your not going to live it, its only for a IBC
LOL,.. someone talking sense at last!!!
If you want to go mad, lay a concrete slab,.. 4" thick is plenty if you use readymix, 6" thick if you are foolish enough to try and mix that much yourself. Make the slab slightly raised in the centre, so spills will drain off round the edges, and make the slab slightly smaller than the shed, so the walls sit down over the slab, keeping it completely hidden and out of the weather.
Making a shed would prob be a good idea too,.. those heaps of firewood you get from B&Q are a pain to put together and are way too flimsy IMO. It'll prob cost you a little more to build your own, but it'd be worth it. Slap a waterproof membrane inside the walls,.. some polystyrene insulation,.. wire a few sockets in, a light and maybe a bit of heating,... and make sure its big enough for the bar and snooker table as well as your IBC!! ;D ;D ;D
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How I did mine. (5 years ago)
Old patio slabs on a sand base with dabs of mortar on the bottom of each slab.
Base joists of shed - I use roofing bitumen to paint them and then nailed damp proof course to the under side.
Painted extra preservative on floor and screwed to joists. Built shed.
Inside is an office/camping gear/model railway :-[ room and for years my PC was out there - so I lined the walls/roof with polystyrene and nailed ply to the side/roof joists.
The roof is painted all over with bitumen roofseal and then covered in roofing felt with all the joints bitumen painted. It has gutters etc too.
It's carpeted, painted and lit and has a portable airconditioner in the summer and a fan heater in winter.
Snug! No leaks yet.
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How I did mine. (5 years ago)
Old patio slabs on a sand base with dabs of mortar on the bottom of each slab.
Base joists of shed - I use roofing bitumen to paint them and then nailed damp proof course to the under side.
Painted extra preservative on floor and screwed to joists. Built shed.
Inside is an office/camping gear/model railway :-[ room and for years my PC was out there - so I lined the walls/roof with polystyrene and nailed ply to the side/roof joists.
The roof is painted all over with bitumen roofseal and then covered in roofing felt with all the joints bitumen painted. It has gutters etc too.
It's carpeted, painted and lit and has a portable airconditioner in the summer and a fan heater in winter.
Snug! No leaks yet.
Sounds like a decent setup,.. you should post some pics!
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Payload of shed?
I'd rather have a shedload of pay! ;D
Well someone had to say it.