Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: LWC on January 10, 2008, 11:40:29 pm
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just looking at my next vehicle, i live right out in the country, and just lately have got my van stuck a few times, jsut like the thought of a pick up or 4x4 perhaps with being able to use it for the family to when i have kids at weekend so wife can keep car
any pics or comments?
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Looking at the same thing myself. The new Navaras are really smart.... payload of over a tonne too.
Only thing being, you'd probably need a Truckman or Snugtop cover for the back to fit all your WFP gear in, and theyre quite costly I think..... trying to thnk of a way around it!
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There is a couple of guys who live near me that use a 4x4 pickup it looks good but there sytem isn't protected from theft and belive it or not there called scratch it & Smear. ;D ;D
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FEEN uses a pickup, he has a backpack & carries loads of barrels.
tony
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i have thought about this too .Skid tank and a truckman top on a navara/L200/hilux/ranger/Rodeo?????sounds nice but i dont know they are all a bit glam for the sort of crap my scudo gets !!! i would never be able to relax always worried bout the truck.Ok if its second hand tho i spose
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just wonder if theyre ok to work in, id probably start putting the poles on the roof, and id want it so water tight, wouldnt want any leaks what so ever, what sort size tank do you reakon youd get in a l200?
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no
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no? ok
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why do you want a 4x4 ? insted of a van
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4x4 van ?. You have to have your stuff frostproof or keep in garage.
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There is a couple of guys who live near me that use a 4x4 pickup it looks good but there sytem isn't protected from theft and belive it or not there called scratch it & Smear. ;D ;D
Classic
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why do you want a 4x4 ? insted of a van
well, i live right out in the country, literally in the middle of know where, when it snows i dont even step outside the door let alone go out in the car or van. and just lately my van has got stuck in all the mud, i would say 3 times this week. i go up to a lot of farms real muddy tracks, i just think it would be ideal. and also if i have the kids, 2 of. its awkward with my van cause i only have 2 seats.
our car is a little too small for all of us going on long journeys, so would be ideal for that too.
looking at the l200 double cab pickup. get a nice flat tank in the back, probably get one made. 2 hose reels on the fold down boot. get 2 nice pole carriers on the roof. big DI vessel in back. would look well pro and like i say is a win win all round for me. and looks as though it does better mpg than a transit or the like would
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(http://www.airportcarcentre.co.uk/Car%20Pix%20for%20Sale/MITSUBISHI%20L200%202.5%204%20LIFE%20PICK-UP%20AWD%20TURBO%20DIESEL%20DOUBLE%20CAB.jpg)
check this out, lol
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01064.JPG)
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01065.JPG)
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01069.JPG)
nice tank in there, maybe the poles could go on the back bit, i dont know how long it is yet? could get a nice custom fit 500 litre tank i reakon in there. 2 hose reels. what more do ya need
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In March I will be selling an 06 reg Mitsubishi Elegance double cab fully loaded with extras if anyone is interested.
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(http://www.airportcarcentre.co.uk/Car%20Pix%20for%20Sale/MITSUBISHI%20L200%202.5%204%20LIFE%20PICK-UP%20AWD%20TURBO%20DIESEL%20DOUBLE%20CAB.jpg)
check this out, lol
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01064.JPG)
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01065.JPG)
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01069.JPG)
nice tank in there, maybe the poles could go on the back bit, i dont know how long it is yet? could get a nice custom fit 500 litre tank i reakon in there. 2 hose reels. what more do ya need
I doubt you'll get a 500l in there, not with the reel(s), unless they're on top of the tank, (sliding around), and you'll enjoy lifting them from the ground to the top of the tank - not.
You'll have a w/c bucket and a couple of cones, at least, plus other bits and bobs. What else? Ah, battery - that take up some space too, and you'll want that low down.
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In March I will be selling an 06 reg Mitsubishi Elegance double cab fully loaded with extras if anyone is interested.
do you have a system in it? i just want to see some pics?
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(http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/d563297cf5e5cde600db1c920e0b94eb.jpg)
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I have l200 double cab with a snugtop at present i have 400l box shape tank that was fitted in my old connect. Its pain in the ass to fill cous of the snugtop so i would go for a flat one 500 or 600l one.You can still get your reel and bucket and all that other rubish you carry round to in there to put any poles over 5 feet will have to go on top. The skid tanks are no good with the snugtop or any other canopy cous of the filling point.
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That is what I am looking at an L200 twin cab
I have 3 kids and am seperated so I need enough room to put the kids in when I have them and I also need a motor for work I use a Volvo estate at the moment which is cool but I do like them 200's
I use a pure freedom trolley and can carry 8 barrels I think I could fit ten in with the hose and a point and pole on the roof
Feen has the right Idea and he live in the sticks
J
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hi i've had a navara pickup before you would definately need a skid tank as normal ones take too much room i think you can just get a a skid tank in plus the top on not a lot of room left the navara did around 30mpg the mitsubishi is worse plus i think they will tax these truck off the road eventually so i sold mine last year went back to a van quite happy with that now i would really think about it before you go down this road as it is one vehicle but you have other problems as well splitting tax expenses and buying tyres for one of these trucks aint cheap just my experience
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any pics please lol!
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Hi LWC
I dont have a system in my Truck.
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ok bud, thanks anyway
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It's possible I have a 650 custom tank fitted but I wouldn't recommend it.
Simon.
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sherwood brillaint. thanks. please could i have more pics of the setup and how do you secure your poles?
more more more lol
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How can you fit stuff in around the bales and sheep? ???
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sherwood brillaint. thanks. please could i have more pics of the setup and how do you secure your poles?
more more more lol
I stick the poles on the roof inside some gutter downpipes and bungee them on, I use cable ties to stop the pole hose from flying off. I'm a bit short on pictures at the moment but next time I'm working I'll take some, however here's a close up of the back.
These trucks are really thirsty though, I got one for the same reasons as you stated but to be honest I now find running a second car for other stuff better that using the truck all the time. It makes little difference to the truck if the tank is full or empty.
How can you fit stuff in around the bales and sheep? ???
The sheep sometimes run off with the poles.
Simon.
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well it will be purely for work at the mo, with the occasional trip out. so i do think its ideal
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sherwood how do you fill that 650l tank cant see any room to fill from the top.
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sherwood how do you fill that 650l tank cant see any room to fill from the top.
I have an elbow going into the side of the tank at the top on the left by the blue hoses. It's well concealed in the picture.
Simon.
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I use a nissan 4x4 with a freedom trolley.It does about 30 mpg,can fit in folding ladders, 10 x 25 litre barrels,could get more in if I stacked them.
I am looking for a roof rack to carry my normal ladders,also looking for a flat water tank so I can stack the barrels on top as I have started running out of water.
Ithink the nissans have a bit more room in the back than the mitsu s
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Hi ants, what nissan 4x4 is it ?? and do you have any pics ?
Regards
asboss :)
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Hi ants, what nissan 4x4 is it ?? and do you have any pics ?
If I get finished before its dark tomorrow will take some pics.
Its an x reg one , from before they started calling them Navaras
Regards
asboss :)
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i reakon 500 litres is ample for a couple of us anyway, it how much i use in the van at the mo with 2 of us. those are some nice hose reels too.
id like a 500 litre tank made and a nice big di vessel. big chrome one to go with the bull bars lol
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Just a few more pictures for you lwc that I took today. First how I get the the brushes on . On long journeys 2 poles will go on the roof and 1 inside, my 12 ft extender ot 17 ft xtel will just about fit in by the side of the tank. On short journeys and for speed I leave a couple of brushes hanging out the back, I bungee the door down so the brushes won't fall out.
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Some pics of the back. Before and after. The big problem I have is that the pumps are installed on top of the tank just under the roof, so if they ever play up to get to them I have to take the roof off.
The pros to having a pick up is that you never get stuck in the mud and people really notice you.
Simon.
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Some pics of the back. Before and after. The big problem I have is that the pumps are installed on top of the tank just under the roof, so if they ever play up to get to them I have to take the roof off.
The pros to having a pick up is that you never get stuck in the mud and people really notice you.
Simon.
is the cons to having one that you have no space and the poles dont fit inside ?
I love the look of the them look very smart, but pole hanging out at tail ect :-\
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Some pics of the back. Before and after. The big problem I have is that the pumps are installed on top of the tank just under the roof, so if they ever play up to get to them I have to take the roof off.
The pros to having a pick up is that you never get stuck in the mud and people really notice you.
Simon.
is the cons to having one that you have no space and the poles dont fit inside ?
I love the look of the them look very smart, but pole hanging out at tail ect :-\
Thats pretty much it. Having to unload all your poles every night is a bind and any trad gear thats on display inside the cab. Plus not being able to get to the system easy to maintain it. In the long run I'm looking for a van.
Simon.
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FEEN uses a pickup, he has a backpack & carries loads of barrels.
tony
That'd be me then :) I'm not doing that backpack vs full system argument, but if I use my 10 20 litre drums in a day I've earned enough and me happy ;D
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simon where did you get your hose reels from they look great are they good to use , do you have anyone work with you with the second hose ? marc
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i was going to ask the same, where did you get those hose reels and how much roughly? what size hose is it? they look great
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I had the system fitted by a some one else so I don't know where to get them, if memory serves correct though they are about 230 each. I work with the missus so both are always getting used.
I know a guy called Bonzer on the forum uses one and installed it himself, so he would know where to get them from. They are really good but I might get a removable one as well from gardeners to use on some situations when I can't get parked right.
Simon
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friend in work said i should ge tone of these trucks. I aid way to big and don't know if they'd be suitable. He has a car business and said he could pick one up at auction fairly cheap with 60k on clock he reckons.
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Hi guys...
Just reviving this thread as i'm considering this option!
I'm looking at the L200 double cab. I've done some number crunching and it isn't a huge expense to get into one of these beasts...but i was wondering what you all thought on the WFP in the back?
I use a 650 flat tank, about 1.2m x 1m and about .5m high...so too high for the 405cm height of the back of the L200, which would therefor mean i would have to leave it uncovered, but i take my battery out every night, and i'd have to secure my hose to the van somehow...but that's an overnight solution, do you reckon people would pinch stuff whilst it's parked up during the day?
Also, what do you think customers would think to them? Personally if i had some indignant comments then i'd not be too bothered, why should i be trying to appear lowly or anything, i'm just earning a living like everyone else...?
Anyway, i'm 21 and i'm fed up of relying on other people for a lift out etc, so having the 5 seats would be awesome, so i've instantly saved not having to get a 2nd vehicle, which is my other option! I appreciate they can be thirsty...but aside from all that...is the wfp and pickups a viable option???
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Jamie
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A 650 flat or upright would probably not fit at all as you need to get it between the wheel arches. The only route really is a custom tank. I would say you need to have the back covered some how, other wise you'll need to bring your pumps and hose in as well unless you can always leave it in a very secure place.
The other problem of driving around with a tank on the back in view is that you might attract too much attention from the police. Water weighs a lot and all though you'll be under the 1 tonne limit the police will probably want to test it out.
Simon.
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Thanks...my tanks dimensions are 1250 x 1010 x 575 and the loading bay, or the Navara (my now prefered choice)...are 1511 x 1560 (1130 between arches) x 457
So the tank is too high, that's fair doo's, a shame, but fair doo's! So a custom tank would indeed make sense, does anyone know of anywhere that make made to measure baffled tanks for a reasonable price? My other thought was the whole skid tank thing, but i don't really know too much about them!
As for the police attention, i appreciate what you're saying, although, if they want to check me out i wouldn't have an issue with it, they seem pretty cool with it in my area.
Thanks again,
Jamie
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Thanks...my tanks dimensions are 1250 x 1010 x 575 and the loading bay, or the Navara (my now prefered choice)...are 1511 x 1560 (1130 between arches) x 457
So the tank is too high, that's fair doo's, a shame, but fair doo's! So a custom tank would indeed make sense, does anyone know of anywhere that make made to measure baffled tanks for a reasonable price? My other thought was the whole skid tank thing, but i don't really know too much about them!
As for the police attention, i appreciate what you're saying, although, if they want to check me out i wouldn't have an issue with it, they seem pretty cool with it in my area.
Thanks again,
Jamie
The Navara is a good choice.
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Custom_Made_Tanks.html
for custom made tanks
I'd seriously consider a second car though and stick with a van. You might find that the costings are not too bad when compared with a pickup.
Simon.
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Thanks again.
As regards costings...i'm just about to turn 21, so costings are through the roof whichever way i go about it mate :D
I've been looking at those Skid tank things...any thoughts on them?
J
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i checked my insurance quote and ive got 6 nasty points on my license, was cheaper than i thought, about £400 in fact, ive just turned 23
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i thought about getting a vehicle like this, or with an open back, like a pickup or flat bed cab truck like this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280192870820&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018
which has about 1700kg payload, but then i think it would be better having a van enclosing and protecting your gear from the weather.. unless you had a metal box bolted down with the pump varistream batts in etc electronics that you could padlock and bring your poles in at night... i like the idea of it, but not really practical
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LWC - Mind me asking who you insure with?
Yeah, it's a tough one the whole equipment storage thing! I don't have a problem bringing my poles in every night etc. And i already have to bring some stuff in. My concern is more when i'm out and about in town, at night etc, as this would be my only vehicle. Leaving the tank in there isn't an issue...someone has got to be pretty ballsy, and pretty stupid to try and steal a secured water tank of that size!!!
I don't know...it's a tough call. If i do go down this route, i'd rather not get a bubble thing on the back, i just think they look stupid, but then again, it's far more practical having it covered!
What's the thoughts on the centre of gravity being so high?
J
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eVan insurance bud all done online
get pole carriers on the roof for your poles, secure your hose reels down, sorted
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Cheers mate :)
Yeah...just looking into a custom built tank to fit under the roll-over shutter on the load bay, my maths brain tell me i could get a 650 litre tank in there with enough room for battery, reel and pump :D
OOOOooooooo :D
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Cheers mate :)
Yeah...just looking into a custom built tank to fit under the roll-over shutter on the load bay, my maths brain tell me i could get a 650 litre tank in there with enough room for battery, reel and pump :D
OOOOooooooo :D
Post some pics up if you get it done. I'd love to see them. Make sure you leave enough room in the calculations to fix the tank to the floor.
Simon.
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try these for holding your poles on your roof you get 4 for £15 free postage i use them on my estate, there brilliant (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/grizzly69_2006/1001.jpg)(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/grizzly69_2006/1002.jpg)(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/grizzly69_2006/1004.jpg)
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smithys where from ??? ??? ???
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:P :P :P http://www.roofrackshop.com/product_detail.asp?prdID=611
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Cheers mate :)
Yeah...just looking into a custom built tank to fit under the roll-over shutter on the load bay, my maths brain tell me i could get a 650 litre tank in there with enough room for battery, reel and pump :D
OOOOooooooo :D
my idea was this
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01064.JPG)
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01065.JPG)
(http://www.overseaspropertyconsultants.com/DSC01069.JPG)
if you look at it closed it makes the back a little bit bigger, then it can be opened up to gain access ... and i think it looks pretty cool too lol
although i my calculations were a little different to yours, i got the measurements and halfeved them to fit a tank in half of it, and it came to about 470litres ish, BUT it wasnt taking into account those wheels arches though, half of it i would say would get you about 400 litres with room for the rest...actually, i dont even think youd get that?...but i could be wrong of course
(http://i11.ebayimg.com/03/m/000/88/d6/7048_27.JPG)
this is pretty cool, maybe you could mount your hose reels to this and pull them out
(http://www.riverside-automotive.co.uk/users/www.riverside-automotive.co.uk/upload/Image097.jpg)
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take a look at this site lwc, http://www.tankshop.co.uk/acatalog/600Litre_WaterStorageTank.html
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Well the Navara has an extra 45mm height to it, so that will equate a much larger water capacity, and i was pushing the limitations quite a bit, but i reckon it's do-able :D
I do like those lids, but i'm not sure they would hack it on the job, being opened and closed every 5 mins day after day...hmmmm!!!
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i was slighlty weaned off the idea for a while, but youve started me of again lol
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I have used a Toyota hilux double cab for years for work, i used to have a big tank in the back but changed from having a van mount to using backpacks as we found them quicker on our round, so we just load the barrels in every night when we get home, and when we go fishing we get 5 of us in it all with seat bealts on and all the gear in the back and the front remains spotless ! try doing that in a small van. ;D
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Ronaldo...How much water can you carry then using the backpack? As in, total water capacity in the back, and on your back? And may i ask how long the amount of water lasts you?
Thanks
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Ronaldo...How much water can you carry then using the backpack? As in, total water capacity in the back, and on your back? And may i ask how long the amount of water lasts you?
Thanks
I carry 300 ltrs in barrels but on average only use about 150 ltrs a day, and the back pack i just fill it to the brim pick it up and carry it, place it down so i can do all the windows without moving it, then carry it round the back and do the same again.
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I carry 300 ltrs in barrels but on average only use about 150 ltrs a day, and the back pack i just fill it to the brim pick it up and carry it, place it down so i can do all the windows without moving it, then carry it round the back and do the same again.
Do you find that it's more economical on water then? I carry 500 litres at the moment, and that isn't enough really, and i work on my own! Surely using the backpack slows you down though?
I'm quite keen about this pick-up thing though!!!
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That all depends on how high your varistream is set or how much you rinse, i could carry a 1000 ltrs if i wanted too but like i said i only use around 150 ltrs a day on average, dont get me wrong somedays i will use it all but not very often.
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My regulator is on about 1.5 so about 1/5th of full! And i'm starting to rinse less, but still, i know a number of local guys, i have the lowest regulation, and tend to use a bit more water than them all...but no of them use less than about 400 a day at the very least, most go through about 450-500!!! Based on a full day of course!
If i could get away with 300 litres though then i'd be laughing!!
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If i was using 4 to 500 litrs a day i,d be a very rich man :o
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oh dear me, i went to a local dealers today because they had a older shape l200, had a look round it and it was tipping it down. then a lady sales person come out and shes like oh your looking at the l200, i was like erm yeh. come inside for a minute, and i had a sit and a look around the brand new one lol! was offered a test drive and everything. i really do like the new ones now. so nice inside! and the boot space in them are much wider than the older l200's, at least thats what she said, and to be fair they looked it.
i was like, "tanks here, poles up here...lol"
o o o, and on the warrior...pricey...but, the rear window comes down. so...nice tank about half way up, put the poles straight through. id have one with the back on, they do actually do some nice backs on them.
i came out with a nice shiney brochure and a wanting for a brand new one
but...possibly too nice for work?
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Why dont you have a look at my one 06 plate . I will be selling it from March 1st.
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The L200's are pretty awesome...but having done some research into them all, i figured the Navara is the most practical, and best value for money.
Firstly, you have a higher load bay, it's 45cm compaired to the L200's 40cm. Then it's got a greater standard spec...more bhp, more mod cons, roughly same mpg, slighter bigger all round, including the cab (better for taller people)...and it also looks mean!!!
I guess it's personal taste, and i'm not knocking the L200 at all, i personal think a Navara would be a better option for work!!!