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Title: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 10, 2008, 03:37:02 pm
When your reeling your hose in, how many times does the end get caught on something? so you have to walk to were its trapped to release it? what a pain that used to be.

Because its so simple I never thought about saying about it before, but How I cured this problem was simply just to hold the end and walk back to my trailer so the end is right by my hose reel when I reel it in, result is I never have to run back to release it, I must admit the loop sometimes gets caught on the odd rose bush or rock but I have far less trapped hoses now.

Anyone else with any ideas of what they do?.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 10, 2008, 03:42:49 pm
It is an occupational hazard and can never be cured fully. I fit a Protecta-Ball to the end of my microbore which does help a bit.

I have found that pulling the end back to the vehicle often ends up making it catch more because of the loop that it creates. I tend to vary the method I use depending on the job I'm doing.

If it is a job that has a lot of sharp building corners I tend to pull the hose-end back to the car as the loop easily pulls around corners. If it is a job that has ledges/steps/etc with over-hanging corners then I tend to leave it and just reel back in as a loop nearly always catches on the corners.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: m.b.s. on January 10, 2008, 03:48:27 pm
When your reeling your hose in, how many times does the end get caught on something? so you have to walk to were its trapped to release it? what a pain that used to be.

Because its so simple I never thought about saying about it before, but How I cured this problem was simply just to hold the end and walk back to my trailer so the end is right by my hose reel when I reel it in, result is I never have to run back to release it, I must admit the loop sometimes gets caught on the odd rose bush or rock but I have far less trapped hoses now.

Anyone else with any ideas of what they do?.
i do the asme sometimes the loop which you make still catches on some things only some times  ;)
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Pole2pole on January 10, 2008, 03:49:32 pm
Looks like Alex is out of the cold now  ;D so we can all breathe a huge sigh of relief.....I hope the misses made you a nice warm cuppa  ;)
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 10, 2008, 03:58:01 pm
It is an occupational hazard and can never be cured fully. I fit a Protecta-Ball to the end of my microbore which does help a bit.

I have found that pulling the end back to the vehicle often ends up making it catch more because of the loop that it creates. I tend to vary the method I use depending on the job I'm doing.

If it is a job that has a lot of sharp building corners I tend to pull the hose-end back to the car as the loop easily pulls around corners. If it is a job that has ledges/steps/etc with over-hanging corners then I tend to leave it and just reel back in as a loop nearly always catches on the corners.
Hi Alex
I also have a ball on the end, this does help on certain things but not everything, I fitted that mainly to protect the tap and they do a good Job.  Like you say its an occupational hazard, I also tend to do different things on different Jobs, if I have a lot of obstacles to negotiate I still walk the end back but I tend to loop my hose up on the way back, what ever we do can become a pain in the rear,  I just hate having to run back to un-trap the hose.
I'm hoping we have a genius on here who can help eliminate this problem completely ;D
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Alex Gardiner on January 10, 2008, 04:14:51 pm

I'm hoping we have a genius on here who can help eliminate this problem completely ;D

I'm crushed.  :'(
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: frames to panes on January 10, 2008, 04:16:09 pm
I usually drop it as far as the furthest window and leave it as straight as possible - seems ok then. No ball just a rubber tube (or sheath if you prefer). I even have a jubilee clip ground as smooth and as small as possible mainly so that it will fit through the tube in my van floor but also to prevent it snagging when it flys back to the reel. I have problems with my pole hose snagging more than anything.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 10, 2008, 04:23:40 pm
I usually drop it as far as the furthest window and leave it as straight as possible - seems ok then. No ball just a rubber tube (or sheath if you prefer). I even have a jubilee clip ground as smooth and as small as possible mainly so that it will fit through the tube in my van floor but also to prevent it snagging when it flys back to the reel. I have problems with my pole hose snagging more than anything.

Now, don't start me on the pole hose :'(  thats one nightmare I really want to eliminate :'(
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: frames to panes on January 10, 2008, 04:30:30 pm
Do you get those houses where they have scrimped on the mortar? You know the ones right on the corners. Or the patio steps without the grout, or the overhanging steps, or three wheely bins in a row, or the gate that slams shut in the wind with about two millimetres gap underneath, the flowerpots, and the statues? Then when you've finished all that the friggin hose is in a knot and won't loop up properly!


I don't. ::)
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 10, 2008, 04:40:43 pm
Do you get those houses where they have scrimped on the mortar? You know the ones right on the corners. Or the patio steps without the grout, or the overhanging steps, or three wheely bins in a row, or the gate that slams shut in the wind with about two millimetres gap underneath, the flowerpots, and the statues? Then when you've finished all that the friggin hose is in a knot and won't loop up properly!


I don't. ::)
Not at all  ;D
I do get plant pots that arrive at my trailer, and I often get the odd occasional garden knome try to do a runner with my Ball ;D and because I have a Tennis Ball on the end of my hose, one day I even reeled in a German Shepard with my Tennis Ball in his mouth ;D
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Ian Lancaster on January 10, 2008, 04:46:12 pm
Snagging pole hose:

This is usually because the hose clip (whatever type) will catch on things.  Answer: don't put a clip on it.  There's no pressure in the pole hose (it's open at the end through the jets) so you won't blow the hose off the hosetail/y-piece/jets.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 10, 2008, 04:55:07 pm
Snagging pole hose:

This is usually because the hose clip (whatever type) will catch on things.  Answer: don't put a clip on it.  There's no pressure in the pole hose (it's open at the end through the jets) so you won't blow the hose off the hosetail/y-piece/jets.
Hi Ian how the Devil are you? and hows your Lad doing here in Yeovil?

I don't have any type of clip on my pole hose, when I fit mine I dip it in hot water then fit it, its not the end that gets caught up but the hose its self, when your using it, you know the sort of thing? around bush's and pots etc. around garden rockerys is a pain for me.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Tim Rose on January 10, 2008, 07:45:40 pm
It's an absolute shiny crock of the proverbial to think that a brightly colored ball on the end of your hose is going to 'help' get the damned thing in.

Walk back with the end making sure that it aint likely to be snagged it the main thing.

You don't need to buy more rubbish, for god's sake.   ::)
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 10, 2008, 07:50:32 pm
The ball is used for protecting the end fittings but sometimes helps bounce it around corners and it does work ::)
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Jon-scwindows on January 11, 2008, 12:42:12 am
I have the glorious Protecta balls too

they do help, i dont keep a valve fixed to the end of the hose just a metal easy connector stop end. helps pulling it about,
here is another method i use, which helps...

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=48243.0

my post on there, its easier to pull it back without a valve on the end.

but i usually pull the hose back with me
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: rhys11 on January 11, 2008, 01:18:10 am
where can i get one of these balls from?
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 11, 2008, 01:18:52 am
where can i get one of these balls from?
Alex gardiner sells them ;)
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: rhys11 on January 11, 2008, 01:49:12 am
where can i get one of these balls from?
Alex gardiner sells them ;)
nice a dude
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: windowwashers on January 11, 2008, 07:40:29 am
I got one from Alex I have a pic aswell, if try and locate it and put it on.


Ian
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: matt on January 11, 2008, 08:50:17 am
you lot are not selling me the idea of a van mount  :-X

ive been looking at tanks and the like to fit a van mount

now, the ideal of the hose catching anything and everything really will wind me up
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 11, 2008, 09:09:13 am
you lot are not selling me the idea of a van mount  :-X

ive been looking at tanks and the like to fit a van mount

now, the ideal of the hose catching anything and everything really will wind me up
Matt I thought you would have learned the problems by now,  ;D the pole hose is 10x worse for catching on things, butyou know all that? its only when you reel the hose in, you may get a problem, thats why I walk back with the end in my hand and on the way back I look  for things the loop may catch on.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Rob_B on January 11, 2008, 09:23:04 am
where can i get one of these balls from?

I got a bag of 6 from tescos for £1.80ish. They look identical. They call them golf training balls.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: windowwashers on January 11, 2008, 09:25:22 am
where can i get one of these balls from?

I got a bag of 6 from tescos for £1.80ish. They look identical. They call them golf training balls.
you can also find them in pet stores and drill the hole out, I am just lazy and for just over a quid I really cant be bothered to mess about doing it, I guess this is why Alex sells them.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 11, 2008, 09:52:44 am
I use a Tennis ball, bought it of my grandson for 50p ;D but dogs have a tendancy to want to play with it :'( I was reeling my hose in one day and it went tight then it went loose but kept coming ??? so I kept reeling, when it came around the corner the custy's german shepard had it in his mouth. :o ;D
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Jago on January 11, 2008, 09:55:47 am
i put a big hook on mine i got free tables chairs the lot he he also got a flat paddling pool too  :'(
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: pootwo on January 11, 2008, 10:18:04 am
THATS THE WAY JEF ,AND ON THE WAY PICK THE WAY RUND THINS THAT MAY SNAG
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Jon-scwindows on January 11, 2008, 11:49:44 am
how about a remote operated electric hosereel with a keyfob on off to reel it in, then it will reel the hose in while you walk back with the end, i want one ! only £500
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Village Gleam on January 11, 2008, 12:46:27 pm
I've always walked the end back to the van/reel but I still get in tangles.

Like you Jeff I did have half a tennis ball protecting my tap, but i took it off because it gets in the way.

I took Ian Giles idea of having a harness around my neck and under my arm connecting the hose end/tap to that and walking away and back to the van that way.Often picking up' bunches' of hose on the way back.

I've put posts on here several times fishing for electric reel ideas which I believe is the last obstacle in my way to having the perfect  van set up.

First time I saw wfp was an internet video of Matt with his unger pole (about 14mths ago). It looked so easy, I had to start a wc biz and have one. Now look ::)

Just read Jon's post. Worth £500 if it works.(I'm hoping Matt and jeff will come up with a convert idea, and for this very selfish reason the sooner they both get vanned up the better.)
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: frames to panes on January 11, 2008, 02:28:21 pm
Trouble is very often i don't want the hose under tension all the time, sometimes you need a loop just so it can sit around obsticles like a flower border or a large hounds mound! For that reason i would only want the tension on for automatic wind up when back at the van - then you still get the snagging problems.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: tonyoliver on January 11, 2008, 04:40:39 pm
the trad boys ore laughing at this post
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: windowwashers on January 11, 2008, 04:41:25 pm
the trad boys ore laughing at this post
true but they still have to go up ladders  ;)
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: jeff1 on January 11, 2008, 06:16:52 pm
the trad boys ore laughing at this post
Happy to be of service Lads ;)


Just read Jon's post. Worth £500 if it works.(I'm hoping Matt and jeff will come up with a convert idea, and for this very selfish reason the sooner they both get vanned up the better.)
It would be reasonably easy to make a automatic wind in, there wouldn't be a problem designing a radio link, the main problem I see with that is the gearing and fitted to the gearing would have to be some type of return worm screw, what this would do is move across the top of the reel to lay the hose across its full width and not in one big lump, who knows maybe we'll build our own, there is no way I would pay £500 for something that cost no where near that price.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Jeff Brimble on January 11, 2008, 07:34:01 pm
Sorry Sol and guys, I got my elecy powered two wheel drive trolley with its own hose reel and silicone microbore,  I do still have my unused van mount.  :o
Go go elecy golf trolleys for ever !  ;D
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: Village Gleam on January 11, 2008, 07:48:40 pm
Don't see the worm screw as an issue I always feed mine back in through a towel so that it get cleaned. I am prepared to move it side to side myself.
At the moment one arm windes like made while the other guides. This would be a big labour saving for me and for others.
Safety is an issue. If it gets wrapped around my ankle and upends me, or caught in a thorn bush and rips the hose, or hurtles the pole at my head etc.

Therefore, I suggest that a handheld control with a lead so that when I take my finger off the button it stops winding in. Also Some kind of guide about a meter  away from the reel which could slide from side to side and perform the function of cleaning the hose.
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: windowwashers on January 11, 2008, 09:02:00 pm
Don't see the worm screw as an issue I always feed mine back in through a towel so that it get cleaned. I am prepared to move it side to side myself.
At the moment one arm windes like made while the other guides. This would be a big labour saving for me and for others.
Safety is an issue. If it gets wrapped around my ankle and upends me, or caught in a thorn bush and rips the hose, or hurtles the pole at my head etc.

Therefore, I suggest that a handheld control with a lead so that when I take my finger off the button it stops winding in. Also Some kind of guide about a meter  away from the reel which could slide from side to side and perform the function of cleaning the hose.
I was thinking that an auto rewind reel with anti snag shut off would be a welcome solution simple rewind free flow and stop.

I know I have seen something like this before and for the life of me cant think were.


Ian
Title: Re: Who does This
Post by: D.Salkeld_Ltd on January 11, 2008, 11:09:08 pm
I DON'T............................

Backpack connect pole with 1mtr hose and away I go ;D ;D ;D

OK..................occasionally I tread on the pole hose when working downstairs ::)

David