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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mark shannon on January 06, 2008, 05:41:03 pm
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Any one use Hydramasters Clearwater rinse? looking at their site it says the PH in dilution is 2.7 is this a little too acidic. Would chemspecs Highheat be a safer choice for an acidic side rinse? Or should i stick with Prochems F&F rinse
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Wouldnt have thought so as youll never get the carpet to PH2.7.
If you clean at PH9 and rinse with this at PH2.7 wouldnt it leave the carpet around 7 neutral.
Never claimed to be a chemical expert but Doug Holloway seems to be the resident expert on here so maybe he can explain better.
Mark
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Yes true but i have never come across an acidic rinse with such a low ph
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Thats the best acid rinse on the market !.
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Just putting a tub of Hydramaster Blitz in my van for a job tonight (might need it).
This has a PH at use dilution of 12.0 - 12.5
tub also adds - to neutralise alkalinity, rinse or pre spray with Hydramaster Rinse Out or ClearWater Rinse(PH2.7).
So using a high and a low at these levels will leave around neutral.
Prochem Fibre & Fabric Rinse is PH4
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Hi Guysimes more basic
Joe has made a good point as most Prochem products are pH 9 - 10, then pH 4 will neutralise.
However Chemspec at pH 12 would need a much more acidic product to neutralise , everything else being the same, so 2.7 makes sense.
Remember the pH scale is logarithmic so pH 12 is 100 times more alkaline than 10.
Cheers
Doug
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To complicate matters further, an issue often of greater relevance than the "on the label pH" is the buffering. For example, it's possible to have a pH10 self neutralising product that meets Woolsafe requirements (Ultimate Master used to be like this) and then you could have a pH7 buffered solution that fails the same test. Ph on it's own is only part of the equation.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Ken
As understand it the Alltec product still would meet Woolsafe, but Alltec choose not to spend the £3000.
Cheers
Doug
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Hi Doug
I've heard too that Alltec made a commercial decision not to remain with the Woolsafe scheme, and that the product had not been reformulated.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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The opt out decision was made about 8 years ago and I think the change was physical rather than chemical but I could be wrong. I'm sure Steve keeps an eye on here, so you will probably get an answer.
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I used to love HM Clear Water rinse, excellent product, didn't use it all the time, mostly on urine jobs.
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Seems a lot give creedance to this clearwater revival ::)
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;D ;D ;D
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I can't add much more except to say IMO it depends what you use it with. Like Joe I carry Hydramaster's Blitz for those jobs which are "challenging" it folloes then that you are likely to need a more acidic rinse to get back to neutral. With microsplitters being so good I find I use it less and less but it's there if needed. I just happen to like the crisp smell it has, makes a change to the cherry/orange/citrus smell.