Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: *paul_moss on December 24, 2007, 02:16:23 pm
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As its the end of the year my New year res is to give 2 things back to the people in this business, my first is leather training which is a massive growing market.
Im going to do 2 days next year i early Jan to share my leather techniques.
I have designed a way to clean pigmented leather very quickly, inculding really dirty creams as well as dye transfere. I will also be showing how to do minor repairs and dying quickly and cheaply including colour matching.
This is not like you get taught by the main guys but more like a street wise way of doing it with exceptional results.
The first one is filled by Shaun Ashmore, Dave Washbook and Geoff( Firbre fresh).
The second one I want 3 other people to teach.Please email me as there will be certain requirements ( oh and its free) it is for people who dont trade too close to me for obvious reasons and techs who have been doing leather for a year or 2 and want to develope it.
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Cheers Paul ;) All the best to uo and your family, Geoff
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Spelling mistakes already and I haven`t touched a drop yet :o
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Hi Paul.
not been doing it that long but i would be very interested.
anthony.gill7@tiscali.co.uk
ANTHONY.GILL7@TISCALI.CO.UK
CHEERS TONY
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Paul
Cannot email you for some reason
I would also be really interested in one of your days
midasenterprises@talk21.com
Rob ;D
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Hiya Paul,
Sounds intresting.
P.M Sent
Hope you and your family have a great christmas.
Regards Paul
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I hope I'm already booked in?
After going to Paul's last year you'll find a no nonsense approach with common sense, and it's 'microwave' learning so you'll get fastracked so you are knowledgeable (not an expert) in 1 day.
Shaun
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Damn it! Does that count me out then?
Jamie
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Damn it! Does that count me out then?
Jamie
Jamie no I dont travel to or intend to market the Island. I dont concider you as competition, in fact when we meet you will find I have a few of your old customers ;)( local to me of course)
I learnt off Mike ,Haliday in 2003 to market in a 6 mile radius around you ( his words were you will benefit in 5 years from it) guss what he was right, glad I took his advice.
Jamie with the type of business you have and the offer you give, this is a must for you and should add 30% to your top line straight away.
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Paul it was 3 miles ;) ;) although since moving it has gone up to 6miles
it has really struck home over the last week how important staying within a very local area has influenced my success, I might start a new topic about what I've experienced just lately
I would be interested in learning your leather cleaning technique.
Mike
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Im intersted too, maybe try and fit more than 3 in ;)
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Excellent! If there's room put me down, would be nice to meet you.
Jamie
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Thankyou to all that mailed me did not think it would be this popular. All places now taken
Depending on the feed back may do a couple more later on.
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Hi Paul.
It would be nice if you would contact me.
anthony.gill7@tiscali.co.uk
CHEERS TONY
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Funny old world.................when I write about how quickly I clean suites, I get nothing but criticism, but then, I'm just a novice, compared to some of the vastly experienced and talented individuals on here.
I have deliberately avoided commenting on, how quickly leather suites can be cleaned and I mean cleaned, as such a comment, will guarantee a " You can't possibly get it clean in that time "
Having only been cleaning leather for around 20 years and having originally visited our local producer of high quality leathers, for advice, before starting, I suppose I still have a bit to learn.
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Rob, by your postings i would guess you have a wealth of experience and I totally agree withy ou on timings, re cleaning of suites, why dont you do the same with a couple of guys up in Scotland, im sure you would get a good response
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Hi Paul.
It would be nice if you would contact me.
anthony.gill7@tiscali.co.uk
CHEERS TONY
u have mail
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Evening Paul
Been there a few times, over the years. I'm gradually backing out of the cleaning business, but must admit, to having a few ideas for the future, which might keep me around, that is, if my ticker keeps ticking and the limbs do as they're supposed to.
My mentoring post, was intended to alert you to the possibilities, which are creeping out of the woodwork these days, of smiling assassins.
Good luck with your endeavour to raise standards.
rob
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Cheers Rob, im fully aware of a few of the smiling assassins all ready in my short few years on here. A few are going to get a nice shock soon ;)
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Hi Paul
Andy would like to come across on one of your courses could you email him details on andy@LTTsolutions.net
Thanks
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Hi Paul
Andy would like to come across on one of your courses could you email him details on andy@LTTsolutions.net
Thanks
Sorry Andy all places now taken as posted earlier.
If I do any other days I will get in touch.
Paul
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Funny old world.................when I write about how quickly I clean suites, I get nothing but criticism, but then, I'm just a novice, compared to some of the vastly experienced and talented individuals on here.
I have deliberately avoided commenting on, how quickly leather suites can be cleaned and I mean cleaned, as such a comment, will guarantee a " You can't possibly get it clean in that time "
Having only been cleaning leather for around 20 years and having originally visited our local producer of high quality leathers, for advice, before starting, I suppose I still have a bit to learn.
i wish you show us how to do sutie quicker ive been doing them for many years like yourself and it still takes me 2 hours and more and thats t.m.ing them ! i must be messing about or talking to much to the custy would love to cut that time down
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Is this quick leather cleaning using a certain pre spray and a brush?
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Is this quick leather cleaning using a certain pre spray and a brush?
No Bennie I would never advise using a brush to clean pigmented leather .
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Had a call of Dave L yesterday and if he is not over in the States working when our leather day is on then he is going to come. He has kindly offered us a demo on how to tuft and weave, so any guys that have been invited have the option to learn how to retuft.( Halliday has already got his knitting needle out in readiness ;D)
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Paul just to confirm, me & Tony are coming on Mon 7th, but as its a bit of a trek (and if the traffics bad we would be late) we 'll travel across the night before and stay in a local B&B.
any chance of listing who's doing the Monday?
Mike
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Yep as soon as all confirm them I will list it.
I will look to find a local b/b as well.
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i meant a horse hair brush. thats what you use on leather shoes aint it. dont think it will damage leather, but will speed you up cleaning with said pre spray ;D
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Bennie
Shoes have a different type of finish on them,if any and are different to the pigmented finish on furniture
What is this prespray you are on about?
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Paul
Furniture clinic sell a Tampico brush for getting in the grain of dirty suites, do you think that's too harsh if you use it gently?
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After cleaning a few suites in my earlier cleaning days with a soft brush and seeing what I thought was the leather coming off I was relieved when I started to clean with sponges and cloths as it doesn't my you poo yourself.
Can't wait for my pilgimage next week, after going last year I learned so much providing you take your common sense with you!
Shaun
PS Don't forget it is real world stuff, I'll have to be retaught because I'm not common!!
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hi Paul, would be very interested in your training if you are having anymore days, would be for me and my tech, where in north wales are you
andrew@abclean.wanadoo.co.uk
Andrew.
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As I have no knowledge of Paul's methods, I don't intend posting conflicting views, or opinions, other than to comment that I have NEVER " followed the book " in anything I've done in life, always feeling there might be better, methods, tools, products, etc, but with leather, caution is paramount.
I've been fortunate, or maybe just lucky, in never ruining a client's furniture, but I have come across many leather suites, which had been treated incorrectly and had the potential, to cause me a serious problem.
The most important thing about cleaning leather, is to be as certain as you can be, that you can clean it safely and without compromising your good name.
As there are only so many ways of " cracking an egg " I suspect we have come to much the same conclusions, but using different products.
Not surprisingly, the training providers are avoiding involvement in this thread, but they must be staining at the leash, desperate to post warnings of potential disaster.
I rarely use brushes myself, but use them occasionally.
Hope the day goes well and leads to greater cooperation in the future. It's good to talk !
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Like all training it's only good if you take it on board, I know of a cc that has a NCCA qualifacation/membership and does practically nothing that he was taught by them. As an individual it is up to you BUT I bet the trainers/suppliers won't lke it because Paul is doing it for free and also the suppliers are not being looked upon as specialists at this moment in time, Paul is!
Knowing Paul and his fastidious ways I feel the information and techniques will be safe, why would I want to go and waste a day of my precious time if I knew Paul wasn't good at what he does?
Shaun
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Perhaps you have forgot Shaun, but Leather Technical and Training are currently doing free full day courses.
and a few months ago I attended a free evening seminar they did, so lets give credit where credit is due.
Not sure what Furniture Clinic have programmed for 2008.
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I appreciate what LTT are doing but you'll find Paul's 'workshop' different as he gets straight into it and there's only 4 at a time so you get a go at ask and answer as you go along and in all honesty LTT are wanting you to buy their products so they are wining and dining you (which is good business) but Paul is selling nothing, I think you'll find the 'experience' is a different one.
Don't know what Ben at Furniture Clinic is doing he seems to have more customers than you can shake a stick at, but I do know that when he is teaching that he won't have more than 4 at a time.
Shaun
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This tread has grown quite interesting.
Still getting lots of emails for requests for places,but as I posted a few days ago all places are takn and there is even a waiting list :o.
Just to clarify things, I am not and dont profess to be a leather specialist. If you want this type of knowledge go and do a course with Ben at Furniture clinic or Andy at LTT, they are the specialists in this game.
I am a carpet and upholstery cleaner only.I have a knack to pickup things quickly and able to self learn and change/develope things to suit my end result.
What I will show the guys is a way to clean pigmented leather very quickly in a way they have not seen before, this works well on light coloured suites that are heavily soiled and are hard to clean and very time consuming,and when you cant get all that muck out of the grain even after scrubbing,this way will do it fast and also removing dye transfer quickly.
Also showing repairs and recolouring the fast way.
Also Dave Leahona will be coming on the 7th do demonstrate retufting and samples for us to work on.
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Hope you got me down?
Shaun
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Yep Shaun, only one more to confirm.
Shaun Ashmore
Paul Ashmore
Mike Halliday
Dave Washbrook
Geoff Dewkes
Tony Gill
Mike Osborne
Jamie Fybertec
Dave Leahona
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Paul,
You got me down? Not received E mail, since Dec 24th.
Dave.
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Aldi are doing a sunday special today.Its a stapler gun and staple puller. I bought one when they did them last year and its a great bit of kit for only £3.99.For this type of thing you would pay loads more.
If you havent yet got one then grab one whilst they have them in stock.
The guys coming to my leather day will be shown a neat trick with it ;)
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Just a thought Paul, if you were to video the event then a few more of us may be able to benefit from some of these techniques, it's a bit far for me to come otherwise would love to, but is always good to have a look at what others are doing!
Dave Liahona sent me a video of rug cleaning last year and it was immensely interesting and informative (sure he wont mind me mentioning it :))
Just seeing the process in action is enough to give you confidence to go out and do it!
have been cleaning leather for a year or so now and dont particularly find it easy, anything to speed up the process is got to be bonus,
regards
steve
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A sort of "You Tube" - good idea Steve.
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A sort of You Tube - dont know whether short vidos can be shown on this forum.
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Like this.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ptlmzW-yqxM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XcmTWtFF_oQ&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x3fnUwQX48s&feature=related
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Thats it.
Obviously not going to get the whole day of Pauls teach-in but we could all benefit to a large degree to some of the training and without travelling a mile nor missing a days income.
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To state one of our old campaigners for knowledge Ken Wainright, training is not loss of earnings it becomes an improvement to profit.
Shaun
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More could have an improvement of profit then.
Just a thought.
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depends on which way you look at it, I look at this as an investment, I've already had another 4 calls today for work so why aren't I doing the work and getting the money in? I'm swanning off to Wales to improve myself so I can be better and get quicker, I'll easily make the money up when I'm cleaning leather in the future.
Shaun
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Of course its an investment Shaun, completly agree with you.
Did 3 courses myself during 2007 - cost me a few bob, but well worth it.
Just that, if a bit of the demo could be video'd and then put on here more would benefit.
Probably not possible though, never mind.
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a Demo is for sales purposes, being there before I'd say it's more like the NCCA hands on experience day but no formal presentation bit and it moves faster because there are fewer there, it's crammed with worldly cleaning techniques, out of all of the courses it's the one I won't miss.
Shaun
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One difference with having a video tho is the fact you can watch it time and again and refresh your memory as to what to do etc, on most training courses you probably only retain about 25% of it, if that!
Ok it may be not as good as being there and being hands on, but if thats not possible for all then it's the next best thing :)
regards
steve
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Steve,
Pauls a helpful sort of guy (he has been helpful to me recently off line), and I think if he could do something on those lines then he will.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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Joe, dont think I will be able to set it up to do a video as there is a lot of prep to do all ready and I think that would be a lot of distruption.Its a good thought for next time though.
How did you get on with that little prob you had, any result?
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The guys coming down in a week or so, if you want to bring any type of leather issues/work you have with you and we will work on it through the day ( dont any body bring a full 3 piece suite :D)
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Mike can bring his gimp mask, Shaun his trousers and Dave his whips.
When they are all cleaned up should be a good day, surely someone could video it ;D
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Can I send up my cowboy boots for a good clean :P
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Paul
To your earler question- its quiet but ongoing. Soon to develop I think.
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Can I send up my cowboy boots for a good clean :P
Sorry Gary J, you can't send them..... "those boots were made for walkin"
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I've still got a couple of airmovers for sale. I could bring them along.
plus an Oreck orbtor
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and a 18inch flat serface cleaner as sold by Tech-clean :D :D
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How much are the air movers?
Shaun
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£50 each
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Are they the 3/4 hp?
Shaun
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I'll check, tell you tomorrow
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To all the guys coming down next week
I take it that every body is still coming as I have had no calls or mails of drop outs.
If any body cant make it at the last minute please get in touch as thre is a big waiting list.
Also there will be a £5 charge for the day to cover food and accesories. :o
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To all the guys coming down next week
I take it that every body is still coming as I have had no calls or mails of drop outs.
If any body cant make it at the last minute please get in touch as thre is a big waiting list.
Also there will be a £5 charge for the day to cover food and accesories. :o
Thought it was free ::)
Think trading standards should be informed :P
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You know what Gary, I was going to just email the guys and tell them but I thought it would be more fun to put it up on the board because I knew you would pick up on it straight away :D
Have you seen how much food Hallidays puts away ;D
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£5 ! I'm poor and from Yorkshire!
Shaun
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Shaun , I forgot about you. I bet your sitting there in your pink jym jams on the laptop :D
£6 for you.
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You know what Gary, I was going to just email the guys and tell them but I thought it would be more fun to put it up on the board because I knew you would pick up on it straight away :D
Have you seen how much food Hallidays puts away ;D
Yeah, you got a point, he's so big he's plural ;D
Glad I didn't let you down, thought it was turning into a bric-a-brak with a five pound admission :P
I'm only jealous because I'm not coming :P
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Spare a penny for an ex lepper?
I'll eat the crumbs from the floor, 6 pence that's my last offer!
Shaun
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Good to see you have a 'Pythonesque' sense of humour Shaun, think you might need it.
Mossy isn't the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
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a very very naughty boy!
Shaun
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Paul,
I have just done my first leather suite since your training day It was the worst i have ever done and came up fantastic and just wanted to thank you, The customer was delighted and said she would have no hesitation in refering me.
I only wish id had the digital camera in the van, as i would have loved to post pictures.
Hope your keeping Busy ??
Regards Paul
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Paul well done, thats good news mate. Get a few under your belt and you will start flying. ;D
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Hi Paul i booked another repair in last week actually looking forward to doing it, try my new spray gun out ;D ;D
CHEERS TONY
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Hi Paul i booked another repair in last week actually looking forward to doing it, try my new spray gun out ;D ;D
CHEERS TONY
Which one did you end up getting?
Let us know how the job goes ;) You should be able to go and help Mick out now. ;D
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Yeh i will Paul.er i don't think so just yet ha!ha! need to get a lot more expeeriance me thinks.
CHEERS TONY
PS WILL SEE YOU CCDO.