Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dustee on December 06, 2007, 07:44:24 pm
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doe's anyone have a check list ( house clean ) i can copy
cant find any on the site ( knowing me looking in the wrong place )
ie what to do in each room so client can tick off whats wanted
thanks dustee
j7mny@fsmail.net
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I'm looking for the same thing, please email me at robinowensmith@btinternet.com
Thanks in advance, Robin.
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Are these posts a wind up or are they genuine?
Do people really start a 'business' and expect to come on to a forum and get all the answers, even to something as stupid as this.
Take some responsibility and make your own list, surely it ain't that hard. You are both going nowhere fast. Absolutely ridiculous.
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helpfull as ever Gary you just can not help it can you?
Clean master/Dustee
click on the search up on the top of the page and have a look there failing that work with your customer and ask them to develop a list with you.
Nick
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It was a very straight forward and sarcastic reply but he makes the point. How hard would it be to make a list of the jobs that you are prepared to do in a room?
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More helpful than you are giving credit for actually Nick.
They might just get off their bums and actually learn something for themselves instead of just expecting answers on here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you think it shows laziness, stupidity and naivety.
Running a business is tough with many on the hoof problems to deal with every day, if they can't write a list they should pack up now and go back to being the cleaners they are.
No effort to search the site, no effort to search Google, just no effort whatsoever at all. People like this give the industry a bad name, on the plus side no wonder it's so easy to get work with this calibre of 'competition' about.
Wasn't being sarcastic, just genuinely gobsmacked at what people expect. Something for nothing all the time.
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And anyone who thinks that is harsh just isn't cut out to run there own business. What till the clients realise you haven't a clue, then where will you be.
They are hiring you as an expert in your field, someone they can trust, someone who knows what they are expected to do. What message are you giving your customers when you do quotes. Do you take notes, do you listen, do you get the work???
Think you have many questions to ask yourself before you ask anymore on here.
And I really think this message is useful to you, but doubt you have the sense to take it for what it really means.
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Hi,
I have to say that I agree with the comments from Gary J. If they are not prepared to think for themselves or even not sure what to put down, then that's a really bad start to setting up a cleaning company.
As we all know setting up in business is tough, you have to think for yourself, that when people can come up with something different for a change.
It's an insult to the ones that have drawn blood sweat and tears to set up!!!!!
If you can't sort that out then you should stand back at re think!!!!!
:o ???
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hi,
I know i ask daft questions all the time, but the fundemental things such as what cleaning jobs will i do in someones house, really has to be thought about before you plunge in.
You should have had this all down on your business plan, what your service offers etc. You need to make some decisions and remember to be flexible as not every customers will want the same thing in regards to cleaning tasks or even how you clean certain things.
Walk around your own house, and write down what you would need to do there in each room, and divide the page, regular every week tasks, and tasks for more of a 3 month / spring clean type job, Woodwork and windows dont need fully cleaning every week, for example.
Good Luck
Lisa
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I'm kinda sitting on the fence on this one.
It is possible that Dustee is a very busy person. They may know the job inside out and are fantastic cleaners. Then, they may never have had the need for a checklist before and simply heard about one elsewhere in the forum.
There is no harm in asking.
But I agree it is a lazy way to go about it. No details of the type of property, or cleaning requirements were supplied. Not only do they want the list handed to them on a plate, they also want the giver to figure it all out as well.
These forums should be all about giving good advice and guidance, but you must go some way to helping yourself first.
So, a bit more thought and effort put into a question and I'm sure you will get all the help you need. Unfortunately, I have never needed to use a checklist, as 'new-build' cleaning is simply comprehensive cleaning, so I can't help on this occasion.
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To be honest i dont see the point of a checklist for domestic cleaning either, but there we are.
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I think its kinda sad that there are some people that have suddenly become holier than though, i can remember my self many years ago asking what now must seem the most stupid questions imaginable, .shame because this is what puts newbies from coming on in the first place to what could be the most valuable resource on the net....come on peeps.
Chris
Dustee, i have what you are after and i will email you a link.
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Well said Chris and well done for helping out.
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well done Chris,
With high living costs it's important to keep the hoover/cloth moving to keep the pennies rolling in to keep a roof over their head with no time for paperwork setting up.
When I first started I asked as many people as I could for all sorts of things and most of them did help and when they have hit hard times I've helped them it's called "back scratching" it's what small businesses do and I wish the newbie all the best and I hope they are not put off by the people on this forum who feel the need to post silly remarks, maybe they might be a bit more constructive in their replys.
Nick
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gary j
no i'm not stupid lazy or any other and yes i have thought about the obvious but i thought a little bit of help would'nt go amiss
looks like i was wrong
forgot that you was PERFECT
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
dustee
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hi dustee
dont let gary j upset you, its just a forum after all.
good luck with things, please feel free to email me if you would like a chat about things.
(gary likes to wind people up, believe me..i know) ;D
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I've received plenty of help on here in the past and have helped others. I've sent many documents via email and have been happy to help a fellow small business owner.
Not holier than thou or perfect either, far far from it, but thanks for thinking that, I'll take it as a compliment :P.
The reply that reckons there is just no time to do the office work is quite frankly ridiculous, bet you find time to watch tele, go out and sit on your computer.
I've 'known' Lisa since she was Lisa123, must be years now and have even spoken to her once or twice and maybe even offered advice ( probably pack it in ;) ) but she soldiered on learnt and now is doing well.
I still find the original post an insult and do think it shows no aptitude and complete laziness. The same person has started his/her own business because the franchise they worked for didn't appreciate them. Well now they are finding out what goes on behind the scenes of every company and they just can't hack it.
At what point should Simon Cowell tell someone they can't sing??? Best to get rid of the pretenders and the deluded from the start. Saves wasting their time believing they are going to be the next big thing, and saves the rest of us from having to put up with them.
Recent topics include, where do I get contracts, how much do I charge, can I have a lone worker policy etc etc. There is a search facility on here for heavens sake, and don't forget good old Google, not to mention the myriad of Government schemes to keep dingbats off the streets and off drugs ::).
I will help, but first of all you have to help yourself. Welcome to planet Earth and the real world.
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Well it looks like this site is just for the experts and not the newbies, of which i am one. I tooo have asked the question "how does one get contracts" and "how much does one charge for a job". And why would a person presume that we should go back to being the cleaners that we are? I have never done a cleaning job in my life. But i have a team that are exceptionally good at the cleaning side of things. I have put together for the first time a website, drafted up a contract, devised many different types of letter for differing businesses, set up a business account with the bank, designed a sign for the van, and made business cards. As well as this until i can get this business off the ground, i work a 14 hr night shift, yes i'm there now, i bring up an 8 year old grandchild and do all the other mundane things a wife and mother does. So please spare a little thought for us newbies when we ask for a little help, it just sort of takes the pressure off.
Thankyou for your precious time.
Janet
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Now I am confused Janet, so you've never cleaned, have a good team, designed a logo and everything else you've mentioned, but don't know how to get work. Come off it. As for being a grandmother, wife and bringing up a 9 year old, afraid I don't care and neither do your customers. What do you want a medal :P
As this being a site for experts, no, many many fantastic and intelligent businessman and businesswomen have left or don't bother posting anymore because of the constant 'I want this and I want that' brigade.
I do appreciate your thanks though for my precious time, its given me an idea!! Do you think I should start charging for each post I write as I'm so great :P ;D
( anyone who actually knows me, please don't answer :P :-X )
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Don't be confused sweetheart, its a man thing ;D
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wouldn`t the world be a better place or even the cleaning industry if we all stuck together. then there wouldn`t be the devide between north an south an the pricing structure would be the same , the only difference there would be would be the standard of staff an the level of customer service. just remember, we all have to start somewhere an the only way we learn is by other peoples mistakes or to ask someone.
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Do you think I should start charging for each post
Didn't know you were thinking of getting in the fencing game Gary :P
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wouldn`t the world be a better place or even the cleaning industry if we all stuck together. then there wouldn`t be the devide between north an south an the pricing structure would be the same , the only difference there would be would be the standard of staff an the level of customer service. just remember, we all have to start somewhere an the only way we learn is by other peoples mistakes or to ask someone.
Robert the pricing structure varies in the same city never mond north or south and it will never be stabilised. Unless the law changes that says all cleaning companies must charge a min of say £20 an hour (and that wont happen) then how can the prices be the same? Often on commercial work it is the price that gets you the job. It would be better if we all stuck together but if you can weed out the somewhat harsh commenst that gary has made you will see he is talking with knowledge and experience and all of what he is saying is perfectly true. Starting a cleaning business has got to be one of the -if indeed not THE- easiest thing in the world as the initial expenses are low, assiuming of course that the person starting the business is the one doing some or all of the cleaning too, yopu dont even need equipment and insurance unless you chose to, you just register as self employed and off you go. Once you have found the firsyt 10 customers the work will find you if you are good. The point gary is making is that A) we have all been there and B) anyone asking for help with pricing a job has obviously not sussed out what the going rate for the area is and what people are paying and getting for their money. Again its easy to get this information but to come onto a forum and expect people to tell you is not going to work. There are too many individual factors to include and exclude which is why a person setting up a cleaning business needs to do their own local homework. As for the checklists and things well again read what he says, a list takes a matter of seconds to prepare and in any event unless a company is doing a standard general clean in every house then a standard checklist is worthless as most if not all clients have specifc requirements and different needs. There are so many domestic cleaning companies that start up all the time, i guess it is because you hear about the sucess stories on tv and you readf about them in the papers buty they never tell you how hard it is to make a living from doing just domestic and how much physical graft the proprietor has to put in to make it work.
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Do you think I should start charging for each post
Didn't know you were thinking of getting in the fencing game Gary :P
;D ;D
Want to buy a knocked off tele :P :P ;D ;D
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Are these posts a wind up or are they genuine?
Do people really start a 'business' and expect to come on to a forum and get all the answers, even to something as stupid as this.
Take some responsibility and make your own list, surely it ain't that hard. You are both going nowhere fast. Absolutely ridiculous.
I wonder if there is really the need to be so rude? now I can be as rude if not more rude that most people on this forum but is there need to to speak to the newbees like that?
Even though most of us might agree with your thougts Gary maybe a little help might be of more use.
As my grandmother used to say " if you do not have anything helpfull to say then please do not say anything"
Without the newbees coming on board the forum would slowly reduce in size and comments like the above will soon put them off.
Just a bit of thought would not go a miss.
Now, I like many long term members can handle and understand the little man comments from Gary but it must be off putting for new people.[
[As this being a site for experts, no, many many fantastic and intelligent businessman and businesswomen have left or don't bother posting anymore because of the constant 'I want this and I want that' brigade.
and as for the above coment , when are leaving Gary?
Nick
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LMAO, haven't been called a little man since I was about 7.
You've missed the point entirely Nick, I won't bother to explain, you won't understand ::).
I actually do think I have helped, if nothing else the poster might now be thinking for themselves and actually doing some proper research which in the end will make them a better businessperson.
Every company I clean for and every member of staff has an idiot proof (almost :P) checklist tailored for that specific company. Each one takes me an hour with every area and task on there and whether it is daily, weekly etc. It's not rocket science and if you expect me to send you that, then no, make your own. Next week it will be something else and the day after want more. And as I said before, if you can't make a simple list of what YOUR client wants then you might as well give up now.
We'll never agree, and that is part of what make this forum so good. We all do a different standard of work and have differing opinions.
I disagree that we should all charge the same. I think there is a name for everyone getting paid the same, that doesn't work either.
Maybe I was a little harsh, but just cheesed off with the constant 'I wants'. Still stand by everything I've written, and bad luck, I ain't going nowhere yet ( unless I get kicked off :-* ).
So, any sensible questions I can help with.
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Gary your so great, and I'm sure all the newbee's are so sorry fo wasting your time.
Newbee's in future please so not trouble this forurm with " silly questions" in case Gary has to read it and feels the need to answer it instead of ignore it .
Just blunder on , carry on and make the same mistakes as we've made we're too busy asking about what mistakes we've made on e-bay.
Find somebody else to ask
Failing that e-mail the helpfull ones
Nick
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LMAO, superb.
Back of the net 8)
OK I'll be helpful, here is what you've been looking for, I've done the research for you.
http://dreamcleanservices.co.uk/cleanservices.html
Now, that wasn't hard was it :P
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Gary J,
Thank you for your help!
I have successfully run my own business's for the last 20 years, of course I've done all the research and have forms etc already prepared. I simply posted as I'm new and thought I may have missed something and it's worth looking at all information available, don't worry I won't bother posting on this forum again!
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But to be honest Robin, you did not say that. I also assumed that you could not be bothered to create your own.
Imo it would have been better to state that you had compiled a list, put it up on the forum for others to see, and asked for general comments.
I for one would happily have shared information on this basis. I hope you do continue to post on this forum, as we do have some interesting topics, and some genuine people on here.
Kind regards
Paul
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Hi,
I have to say that I agree with the comments from Gary J. If they are not prepared to think for themselves or even not sure what to put down, then that's a really bad start to setting up a cleaning company.
As we all know setting up in business is tough, you have to think for yourself, that when people can come up with something different for a change.
It's an insult to the ones that have drawn blood sweat and tears to set up!!!!!
If you can't sort that out then you should stand back at re think!!!!!
:o ???
I have tried to resist responding to this thread for ages but cannot hold back any longer. I could not agree more with Gary J and the above sums it all up.
No one wants to put off newbies posting on the forum, and god knows, I've posted some stupid questions, and had lots help, but it seems that there are some people who think that they can bypass the need for some basic business acumen and get everything they need to run their business from a forum.
God help them if they ever grow and have to employ staff, they'll be eaten alive.
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If they are eaten alive and i know many companies with excessive business acumen that have been, then at least some of us can say we have helped without plying this forum with cheap and unhelpful replies...
Chris
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I don't want to turn this into a slanging match with you, but it was you that first used the term ' Holier then Though' ( presume you meant 'Thou' ;)). Pot, kettle and black springs to mind.
It was good of you to email the poster offering help, no doubt with a reference to another forum added :P. Oh well at lease they'll be amongst an infamous couple over there and will be able to keep up on Big Brother ::).
A case in point was from Startdust yesterday, people tried to help and wanted to help. But what was the use? The original post bared no resemblance to what the quote really entailed and the poster then never even bothered to reply
You've missed the point entirely. It wasn't about that one post, it was more about the history of the poster, ' can I have', 'I need' blar, blar, blar.
Thought it was time this post started to drop, it had done it's course, but now you've stuck your nose back into it you've got the reply you were probably hoping for.
You know there is more help on here than any other forum, and more people to help here than anywhere else. I know I'm not alone with thinking some don't have a clue. A lot of people who read that post could have sent a checklist, or done as I did and posted the link. Of course I found it hilarious the link was to a website from one of the 'anti-garyj mob'. Why on earth didn't he post it in the first place, or copy and paste it?
Get a grip Chris, or do you want to become the Champion to the Losers?