Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Kev R on November 26, 2007, 08:04:24 pm
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Ok these lovely people would like a quarterly clean outside and a twice yearly clean inside
All the small windows inside are all secondary double glazed internally but the panels are quick and easy to remove
The first picture of the front includes the glass stair way on the left but not the one on the right as this is the next door business.
There is a rear to the building which is Identical to the side but without the front glass stairway.
How much would you charge?
(Its also 30 mins from my nearest job)
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I don't see any pictures ???
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Sorry should be there now
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I would reckon about 35quid
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sorry 35 for the outside and 50 for the inside.
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£35 LOL,what then off down the pub. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I clean 4 blocks identical to this, takes 30-40mins per block.
Thats what I charge, takes me approx 2.5hrs to do the lot (outsides) for £120. As it is commercial you can start at 6am and easily have it done before 9.
NWH don't compare me to the beer brigade - I work hard, make good money and if you reckon its more than £35 then fair play to you but either you are expensive and/or very slow.
BTW the insides take me on average 6 to 7 hrs (I book the 4 lots in together), so for a max of 9hrs work I'm making £320
Thats not bad money.
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That`s cheap anywhere in the country,i couldn`t do it for that.
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so you couldn't do a days work for £320??
seriously, thats as much as most people make in a week!
How could you not work for that?
Can you honestly tell me you earn more than that every day?
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£50 for the insides and they are secondary double glazed?
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No i`m saying that, the job in the picture above is worth more than £35 allday long,i don`t know anyone that would do it for that.If you have 4 jobs like that in the same area then that`s all well and good but i don`t price work like that,i price jobs on there individual value not just because i have 1 similar round the corner.Pricing work like that i`ve found in the past is bad business,it sounds like your working on numbers of jobs,i work on quality jobs and less of them why run when you can walk and earn more.
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And on top of that it`s only quarterly. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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fair point about them being quarterly, I do them every 2 months - I price by the job, what the job is worth, £35 for half an hours work, can't ask any more than that. As regards quality of job, I check up on my work from time to time, always spotless. I never use water above 001ppm and use a high flow rate (about 3ltr/min).
If I could get more than £35 for each of them I would certainly charge it but I know for a fact that I can't, I have seen quotes from other wc's and some of them were lower.
I am fairly fast though, I would normally average £240 a day on domestic (charging £6 for 3 bed semi's as a guide).
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i wouldnt do all this for £80!!
If its secondry glazing for the little windows it'll take longer to do than it seems and a lot of faffing around with the panes!
The Stairwell inside would take a long time too and it would be awkward.
Where do you clean alanwilson? .... because I hope its not by me with those prices or I'll be out of business!
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i wouldnt do all this for £80!!
If its secondry glazing for the little windows it'll take longer to do than it seems and a lot of faffing around with the panes!
The Stairwell inside would take a long time too and it would be awkward.
Where do you clean alanwilson? .... because I hope its not by me with those prices or I'll be out of business!
I agree with you about the secondary double glazing and the stairs. What would you charge for the job please
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I'm in Glasgow.
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i would say about £70 for the outs,
and £200 for in and out.
with the secondry glazing you actually have, in effect, four panes of glass for every window in and out. and the stairs are tricky. I would say you can make a good job of it and it should take about 3/4 of a day. being as your travelling 30mins each way as well.
You have to make it worth your while or there's no point in doing it.
What do you think about those prices? do you have a price in mind?
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Dont really have a price in mind. Confused about the time it will take to do the secondary double glazing. I was thinking about £130-£150 for inside and out as I was thinking about 4 hours but I maybe wrong with the time. Outside £70 about right to do a really good job.
Thanks for the advise Ritchie
Kev
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Kev
I cant understand what parts your are showing.(i do a lot of similar buildings)
Your first picture shows 2 rows of stairwell glass, you say not the large left hand one, but, your side picture is of the one you say is not included. Then you say the back is same as the side ,which it cant be, otherwise there would be another complete stairwell.
I think you have got your pictures & info mixed up.
Also Alan Wilson is very correct in his pricing for these buildings, i am of a very similar price if the info was correct. Some prices on here are ridiculous, if true then i better start travelling to richer areas.
By me they could be done for as low as £20 - £25. I am not joking, i am looked on to be to dear compared to some, One company i tendered against at 25p per window to see what happened & guess what i didnt get any.
Gary
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Kev
By me they could be done for as low as £20 - £25. I am not joking, i am looked on to be to dear compared to some, One company i tendered against at 25p per window to see what happened & guess what i didnt get any.
Gary
25p a window??? I was charging that 25 years ago :o Honestly, that was my starting point when I first began.
I care not a jot for those that are stupid enough and totally lacking in business savvy to go in at ridiculously low prices (not a dig at you Gary, I do understand the point you are making, more a point at those you priced against)
My own price would be somewhere around £40-45 for the outside, and only that because I am WFP.
Inside difficult to judge without being there, can a small ladder with safety devices be used? Would it have to be done with trad & pole?
The secondary double glazing part is easy enough to work out...providing you can easily remove the glazing, and after a few years that is never guaranteed, then the inside for me is 4 times the cost you would normally charge for an internal window.
It's it's 3 sides, not one (of course) and you also have to allow for taking out, turning to clean each side and putting them back in.
So depending on how difficult it would be to get that stairwell done My price for the inside would be approx twice what I would charge for the outside.
Total price would possibly be around the £140 mark.
Time wise the outside (done WFP) would be 30 minutes or so (on a repeat clean that is) and off a ladder a darn sight longer.
And yes, I would absolutely expect to be able to earn £45 in 30 minutes on commercial offices like these, at a minimum to be honest.
If whoever is concerned with getting prices in at those offices wants to get lots of quotes in and chose the cheapest, then it will get done for pennies, because there is always someone out there that will do it cheaper than the last person.
Don't get drawn into seeing how cheap you can do it.
Imagine you are still working off ladders and price accordingly.
Ian
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Kev
I cant understand what parts your are showing.(i do a lot of similar buildings)
Your first picture shows 2 rows of stairwell glass, you say not the large left hand one, but, your side picture is of the one you say is not included. Then you say the back is same as the side ,which it cant be, otherwise there would be another complete stairwell.
I think you have got your pictures & info mixed up.
Also Alan Wilson is very correct in his pricing for these buildings, i am of a very similar price if the info was correct. Some prices on here are ridiculous, if true then i better start travelling to richer areas.
By me they could be done for as low as £20 - £25. I am not joking, i am looked on to be to dear compared to some, One company i tendered against at 25p per window to see what happened & guess what i didnt get any.
Gary
Thanks Gary, you are correct about the stairway and I have modified my text.
To be honest at 25p per window I wouldn't want the work as domestic would be more lucrative, easier to secure, easier to service, easier to keep.
Thanks for your advise
Kevin
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Thought so kev.
I would charge £40.00 ext. &£55.00 int this approx. £95 - £100
The stairs are of ladders or extending poles, & time for secondary glazing would have to be properly accounted for.
Gary
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prices obviously vary throughout the country and I have a similar price to Ian Giles and we work in the same area, so thats probably why. I would chatge more than normal though due to the traveling involved.
I wouldnt travel a 1 hour round trip for a £45 job. especially if its only quarterly
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just to clarify my position, firstly I didn't see the bit about double paned interior glass - obviously that would be a considerable extra.
Some of the quoted prices are pretty outrageous though - fair enough if you can get it but at the same time its not rocket science or brain surgery. As for it being a 30min drive, why not canvass the area a little? Another 1 or 2 hrs work in the area will make all the difference.
The way I see it, I can work hard, make good money and not worry about losing the job or I can go in high, make the money quicker but risk losing the job.
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I see exactly where your coming from Alan but your still to cheap,i reckon you could double your price and not lose any sleep.
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well as I said before I have seen quotes for the premises from other wcs and they were cheaper, the businesses have all stayed with me as I'm fully insured unlike the others. Another point that is p-ing me off is the number of unlicensed wcs trying to move in, its something that does work but needs more enforcement
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My own price would be somewhere around £40-45 for the outside, and only that because I am WFP.
Imagine you are still working off ladders and price accordingly.
Ian giles, are you drunk? :D
tony
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My own price would be somewhere around £40-45 for the outside, and only that because I am WFP.
Imagine you are still working off ladders and price accordingly.
Ian giles, are you drunk? :D
tony
Drunk??
Don't follow you??
At £45.00 on a repeat clean for the outside that would be no more than 30 minutes work at the very most.
If you are WFP, then if you price work at the same rate as you would have done were you still using ladders for window cleaning then you are going to earn decent money.
If you price it by the TIME you think it will take, your mindset will still be that of labour only, you will instinctively price your labour at a similar rate as you would off ladders, and as you will be at the very least 2 to 3 times faster using WFP on a job like this, your price for the outside will be incredibly cheap!
And being as your running costs and initial investment is way, way higher for WFP, you are going to be earning (in real terms) less than you were off ladders!!
Which is why I say to try and price the job as if you were still using ladders....though if I was still using ladders, I would admittedly be more expensive than than £45.00.
But if I can work at a minimum of a pound per minute worked I know I am doing ok.
I wouldn't mind traveling 30 minutes each way to earn £120 (job total (ish)) if I know that the job itself is going to take no more than two, maybe two and a half hours.
Today I have a very similar thing myself, quite a lot of driving actually.
First job, £55 = 25 minute journey.
2nd job, £15, heading back towards home...15 minutes from the 1st job and £15.
3rd job, another 15 minute journey, again, back towards home. £35.00.
Job 4 a mile or so from job 3...£30.
Next house a mile and a half journey = £30.
Last job of the day, got to get there for about 1pm...a 30 minute journey AWAY from home and £120. It should take me about 2 hours (I hope!!) and hopefully home by 4ish.
total time away from home, about 9 hours, but I will have at least a 30 minute break along the way somewhere.
But you do the sums, that's a lot of driving, but it is a good turnover in anyones book........apart from JD's of course ;D
Just gone 6.30am, time I was on my way ;)
Ian
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No, you missed my point
You say you only charge 45 because you are wfp but then advise to price up as if using ladders. just thought it was a bit of a contradiction. ;)
tony
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Do it off of a ladder and then lets see some of these prices change,some people are going back on there advise going in cheap cos they know it`s easier with the pole,if you want to earn with the pole it must be priced trad.
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Do it off of a ladder and then lets see some of these prices change,some people are going back on there advise going in cheap cos they know it`s easier with the pole,if you want to earn with the pole it must be priced trad.
I agree with this, the only time i price different is if they want frames each month aswell. i will always try double the price but if they dont want to know then ill stretch to a clean and half cos doing frames wfp is alot easier and quicker. i clean a similar business premises to this but i just do the outsides every month and i priced that really well at 120 pounds and its done with 2 people in 30 mins...i was lucky with this one. wish all my prices were this good.