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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike Halliday on November 17, 2007, 10:33:02 am
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how fast are you drying carpets?
I've got to say I'm not really sure, I always quote 3-4 hours. If they are concerned about drying times I tell them to have the first appointment of the day then everything will be dry for teatime.
I'm talking about consistent drying times, not the one exception when you had the carpet touch dry in an hour, I've done that but not consistently on every job.
Mike
ps; my local Safeclean always quote 24hrs.
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I always tell people 6-12 hrs then when it drys earlier they are over the moon
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I always say 4-5 hours but advise not to put wood furniture back in the room until next day. Even a tiny bit of moisture can cause furniture stains. If they want to put it back same day I provide them with foil coasters.
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I have always suggested by the time they wake up the next day (to those who I actually see) then it should be dry. Other than that then certainly by the following day. So in short, 24 to 48 hours.
Best, Dave.
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20 minutes ;D
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It's hard to give an honest definative answer but I usually say same as John but will endevour to get them touch dry before I leave as I believe this is what the customer is on about, but it still doesn't answer your question.
Shaun
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No comment - got into enough trouble last weekend ;D
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Joe that's why I mentioned consistently on every job. I know you said about having carpets dry in 90mins which can happen but not on every job under every circumstance.
if I clean a l/r and put air-movers in then do the h/s/l by the time I've finished and packed away I can have most of the l/R 'touch dry'
MIKE
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Agree with those comments Mike.
Joe sorry if I seemed harsh,was not intentional at the start of the post but it got out of control by us both so again appologies. ( please dont allow me to stop you speaking your mind, I have met you and you are very genuine)
I tell my customers to give 3 to 8 hours for them to be touch dry this time of year.
There are so many factors that you cant give accurate times, so I am happier telling them to wait till next day ( 24 hrs to be fully dry) same as Dave Liahona.
I have 2 cleaners near me that profess the carpets are dry in one hour after cleaning, both use cheap portables and I have had to go in after they on a few occasions because the customer was not happy with the results,once was a day later and the wool carpet was still damp and looked terrible.
This is the type of thing that gives us a bad name. And as the years move on and equipment gets better,so customers think we can wet now clean carpets and our machines are that good that they dry instantly :).
Guess this will be an emotional topic for years :D
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I say around four hours but keep furniture off til next day ie. wood furniture.
Started using 2inch to the wand with 1.75inch bore. This makes a big difference over using a 25ft 1.5inch whip which is easier but wetter.
100% wool berbers I now say 4-12 hours.
Mark
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i think it is easy to beat yourself up about drying times but at the end of the day if you get the minging carpet lovely and clean i don't think the customer worries if it is one hour or one day, it's if you say it will clean up and it doesn't then you have a problem. that said, i do say dry within 3-4 hours
colin
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I generally say that the majority of the carpet will be dry in 4 - 6 hours however the heavier traffic areas that have had to have more work to get them clean may take overnight to dry.
Never had anyone come back to me yet.
Did a carpet the other day and the woman said that the last time she had it cleaned (not by me) it took nearly 4 days to dry!
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A colleague phoned me a few weeks ago can I borrow one of your air movers yeh not a problem, when he came round to pick it up he mentioned that the job was upholstery so I also lent him my CFR hand tool. I think he will be changing wording on his adverts. ;D
Martin
You always get the clean carpet jobs. >:( 8) ;)
Mike
From there web site Carpets can be used immediately ???
What dose your local/HO quote on drying times now that they are hwe and truck-mounted (well some)
Question for all dose hot water dry quicker than cold?
Len
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No 2 jobs are the same, no 2 houses are the same and no 2 days are the same (weather wise).
Anything from 30 minutes to 4 hours. Upstairs carpets dry quicker than ground level.
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That's the power of the dry my man :P
Did a white carpet yesterday, 23 stairs, hall, and 1 bedroom.
Looked great, was very pleased, and dry before I even walked out the door.
Regards
Martin 8)
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Colleagues
I did an 80/20 (wool/nylon mix) last winter one Sunday afternoon - carpet still wet and smelly Monday afternoon yet extraction appeared normal. Repeated in a different area the following week and got an estimated 90+% recovery with a single-vac Extracta DX (I actually measured the recovered solution although the pre-spray might have confused the data a little). However carpet was touch-dry when I left and no reported dampness afterwards. Conclusion: massive variability form situation to situation and technique/skill applied.
Regards
Pete (JS2)
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Conclusion: massive variability form situation to situation and technique/skill applied.
As I said then ;)
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I have always suggested by the time they wake up the next day (to those who I actually see) then it should be dry. Other than that then certainly by the following day. So in short, 24 to 48 hours.
Best, Dave.
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I think Ken wrote a topic on drying times which agreed with Dave that all the Moisture would not be out of the carpet for a considerable period of time although the carpet might feel dry.
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Hi Guys
I maintain some hard floors in a club, where it's a bit of a race against time to get them done before people arrive, walk round the wet floor signs and mess them up ::)
I have found the biggest effects on drying are temp of the water, hot water dries much quicker , twice as quick I would say, than cold and also ventillation, the installation of a new fire door which I can open has made a massive difference to the drying time.
Cheers
Doug
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Rather than get involved with less tangible, I think you should concentrate on what you are presenting to the client and not too many have major concerns with drying times, if they see a massive change in their carpets when you've finished, you have delivered !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless you promise something you don't, or can't deliver, your clients will accept what you have done, on the strength of what they see, feel and smell.
I've always told clients to expect their carpets to be touch dry in anything, from 1 - 3 hours but the more heavily soiled areas, might take 2 - 3 times as long, depending on air flow and air quality.
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I say from 4 hours but stres that them ceating the optimum enviroment for drying is the biggest single factor.
In other words bat it right back in their court.
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That's the power of the dry my man :P
Did a white carpet yesterday, 23 stairs, hall, and 1 bedroom.
Looked great, was very pleased, and dry before I even walked out the door.
Regards
Martin 8)
Hi Martin,
What system are you using? I'm looking for a new career and just trying to get to grips with what options there are with their advantages?
Cheers
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Hi Ca8gro
Regardless of system, chemicals or equipment used, the biggest influence on cleaning and drying performance is the technician. It is well accepted within our industry that the most powerful truckmounted equipment will be potentially lethal to carpets in the wrong hands.
Training should come first then, after assessing where your focus will be within the marketplace, the choice of most suitable equipment. eg if you pitch yourself at high rise office blocks and high security buildings, you will be using different types of equipment to that used for night clubs for example.
Learn about our industry, see if you can persuade a trusted local company to allow you to accompany them for a day or two. Raise questions on Cleanitup (as you have just done) then get some training. The NCCA is a good, effective place to start.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Good luck finding that one out. We have been waiting for pictures of the system and what it is for months if not years.
Best, Dave.
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I find that using a wand with an enclosed spray significantly helps matters . No mist or steam enters the room so the humidity of the surrounding air is not increased maximising its potential to absorb moisture from the carpet. Using a truckmount has the advantage of sucking moist air from the building to the outside. A porty stationed at the front door would also do this of course, just to be fair, although not with the same airflow . ;)
regards
Fred
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;D
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That's the power of the dry my man :P
Did a white carpet yesterday, 23 stairs, hall, and 1 bedroom.
Looked great, was very pleased, and dry before I even walked out the door.
Regards
Martin 8)
Hi Martin,
What system are you using? I'm looking for a new career and just trying to get to grips with what options there are with their advantages?
Cheers
Hi
I use the EnviroDri system www.envirodri.com
I have been using it now, solely for 4 years and I have come across one carpet so trahed I couldn't clean it.
It has never broken down and I have only needed to service it once
Call Lorna on 08707 337733, tell her Martin From DryTech in Brighton sent you, they have a 10% sale at the moment.
Regards
Martin 8)
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Martin
You really need to try HWE mate.
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Hi
I don't think Martin will ever migrate from Dry to HWE, so it's no use trying to persuade him. But perhaps someone can persuade me to go Dry only - please ?????
Regards
Pete (JS2)
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Did a dry clean today using Envirodry, only because customer insisted even after trying to talk her into hwe.Carpet looked great when finished but I then misted Solution no.3 over the top of a high traffic area and wipped with a towel and got a dirty transfer ::) ::).
For best cleaning always HWE ::).
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Paul
Yes, I know that HWE will always do the deepest clean, as I've done lower moisture (quick dry) work and been able to lift off extra dirt afterwards. However I've extracted more grime even after an apparent 'thorough' HWE as well. To keep on-track with the spirit of the original post I am looking seriously at the Challenger OP, but wonder if the shorter anticipated drying time may be combated by an inreased risk of abrasive damage or a much poorer result compared with HWE ?
Regards
Pete (JS2)
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I remember years agoMartins system was top secret.
But he has been using it for years and getting paid so if he is happy so should we be.
Its like those who swear by a cleaning solution if they are happy fine.
As long as they do not trash my method to customers
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Hail all that is dry
Praise be to the compound who method is upon high ('n dry)
Oh great dry cleaning, bless those who art wet.
Lead them into the light ('n dry)
Let them not stay in the wet, oh great spirit of "dry in 20 minutes"
Do not foresake the realm of split, smelly wick backed carpet.
Help them oh great dry one, for you alone have the power.
Oh great dry one, allow them to see thine perfumed greatness... ;)
Regards
Martin 8)
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Must give off a lot of dodgy fumes though Martin! ;) ;D
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Anyone on here use proper dehu's iro £1000 mark with hwe. I was chatting with Chris Netherton recently (entire C.H system for 21 storey office block blew and went through 3 floors) and he says he uses this method. frequently - places dehu in room even before cleaning to dry air out and make it super absorbent.
Alan
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A decent dehum will dry the carpet faster. Problem is if you set it up when you arrive at the job it will take about an hour or more to lower the relative humidity of the room before it has any additional affect. You then have to return to pick it up.
I think people get too hung up on drying times. As long as the carpet isn't soaking and dries in a resonable time then most customers accept that and are happy.
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I started out a HOST guy, then discovered other low moisture methods, spent some time cleaning with an oscillating pad machine exclusively, did some encap work as well, rotary bonnet, and a few others, then discovered HWE....the rest is history.
If you stay in this line of work long enough, eventually you will come to the same conclusion all the others do, water is good and hot water is better, nothing replaces rinsing with 100 gals. And with todays technology you don't even have the "negative" side of wet cleaning to contend with, many HWE guys have discoverd 1-2 hour dry times, and I mean really dry, not walk in socks perceived dry. It a new generation of Clean, we can only look forward not back from here on out.
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Jeff, out of interest ,
What machine did you use for encap ?
80% of my low profile commercial work is all encap , love the system , easy to use and great results on low profile .
geoff
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I used a counter rotating brush machine, an oscillating pad machine with VCT fiber pads, and a Cimex with the same, oh and a "system" that isn't truely encapsulating, but acts very similar it's super low moisture rotary bonnet (300rpm) that uses Xerion solution, it was the fastest by far, but more of a quick bonnet dry cleaning than a wet shampoo encap clean.