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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Rogue Trader on November 14, 2007, 10:30:24 pm
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Has anyone bought or know anything about the van systems sold by window cleaning systems in Swansea?
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I'm in Swansea. Where are they I'll take a look>
Rod
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any more feedback on this topic .thanks guys .where in swansea is it . any e mail address etc
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Has anyone bought or know anything about the van systems sold by window cleaning systems in Swansea?
They are good, and the guys know there stuff, I do business with them and could recommend ;)
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They are all over the net at the mo with sponsored links.
How can they say that a Merlin is a better RO than a 40 inch one? That's total rubbish. Whoever is behind this is deffo a good saleman and bigs the systems up well but when u boil it all down to basics its overhype.
A merlin based sys will be more expensive to run than a 40 inch and BOY watch the waste water gush out of it. The thing about only using John Guest fittings is just sales hype as well. My Ionics sys uses loads of hozelock type fittings and I dont have any probs at all. I dont like the way they describe their product as better than a 40 inch RO one. Anyone with even a little knowledge knows this just isnt true.
If u are looking for a bl++dy good system at a similar price that is a real one try Purefreedom. I know u have a Purefreedom system Ian and so do I and I sure know which one I would choose.
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They are all over the net at the mo with sponsored links.
How can they say that a Merlin is a better RO than a 40 inch one? That's total rubbish. Whoever is behind this is deffo a good saleman and bigs the systems up well but when u boil it all down to basics its overhype.
A merlin based sys will be more expensive to run than a 40 inch and BOY watch the waste water gush out of it. The thing about only using John Guest fittings is just sales hype as well. My Ionics sys uses loads of hozelock type fittings and I dont have any probs at all. I dont like the way they describe their product as better than a 40 inch RO one. Anyone with even a little knowledge knows this just isnt true.
If u are looking for a bl++dy good system at a similar price that is a real one try Purefreedom. I know u have a Purefreedom system Ian and so do I and I sure know which one I would choose.
yes I have freedom system, I reccomend window cleaning systems because they are near the guy, I have spoke to them many times and after sales service is good with them, there set ups are different to freedoms yes and IMO 40 is better that merlin based. there reasons for the charge has good reasons, but if anyone wanted a 40inch they could from them, they also plate the back of the van something as far as I am aware no other company does.
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interesteing feedback guys ....... from the advertised systems on the sites it seems freedom systems are cheaper .... i got a long drive to either, london to Swansea or london to Grimsby! which of the 2 RO systems mentioned produces pure water quicker?
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interesteing feedback guys ....... from the advertised systems on the sites it seems freedom systems are cheaper .... i got a long drive to either, london to Swansea or london to Grimsby! which of the 2 RO systems mentioned produces pure water quicker?
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Matt.
A 40 inch system will produce water a lot faster and also with far less waste water. A 40 inch can be run nicely at around 50% product to 50% waste. A Merlin will chuck out more like 25% product to 75% waste at best.
Ian Ive seen that floor plating on the site. It's very heavy stuff and IMO will serve no real purpose. If u use Protectakote ur van floor is well protected as it is. That lining will be slippery for reels and stuff. OK it will be fine for walking on but it puzzles me why you would want to add weight and cost when there is no advantage.
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Matt.
A 40 inch system will produce water a lot faster and also with far less waste water. A 40 inch can be run nicely at around 50% product to 50% waste. A Merlin will chuck out more like 25% product to 75% waste at best.
Ian Ive seen that floor plating on the site. It's very heavy stuff and IMO will serve no real purpose. If u use Protectakote ur van floor is well protected as it is. That lining will be slippery for reels and stuff. OK it will be fine for walking on but it puzzles me why you would want to add weight and cost when there is no advantage.
the reason I think it is a good idea is if you take your hoses in an out all day the protectakote will wear off with plating it will not, I dont have it on mine yet only protectakote so will wait and see how long it lasts. You can see in pics of peoples set outs what I mean if you have a look.
as for the weight it will not make much difference IMO, some uses ratchet straps and I use and steel custom made cage for my tank the straps are lighter but mine is safer and will last longer.
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Hmmmm I spose u may have a valid point about the protectakote wearing eventually Ian. Personally I would just dab a little more on if it did wear but if u've dealt with Freedom as u have u will know that if u ask them to plate ur van out they would and do a very good job of it.
I wouldnt bother but each to their own I suppose :)
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Hmmmm I spose u may have a valid point about the protectakote wearing eventually Ian. Personally I would just dab a little more on if it did wear but if u've dealt with Freedom as u have u will know that if u ask them to plate ur van out they would and do a very good job of it.
I wouldnt bother but each to their own I suppose :)
100% true they are spot on, I cant fault them on work only thing that I can fault them on is not letting me spending the money I had in my pocket, was burning a hole in my pocket all day on the buses and winning £100 aswell didnt help (not a fault really it a good thing)
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Hmmmm I spose u may have a valid point about the protectakote wearing eventually Ian. Personally I would just dab a little more on if it did wear but if u've dealt with Freedom as u have u will know that if u ask them to plate ur van out they would and do a very good job of it.
I wouldnt bother but each to their own I suppose :)
100% true they are spot on, I cant fault them on work only thing that I can fault them on is not letting me spending the money I had in my pocket, was burning a hole in my pocket all day on the buses and winning £100 aswell didnt help (not a fault really it a good thing)
LOL ;D
I,m seein Andrew MCann on Teusday and HAVE to get him to look at this post!!!
Poor bloke will have a fit thinkin u left with money in ur pocket Ian ;D
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Hmmmm I spose u may have a valid point about the protectakote wearing eventually Ian. Personally I would just dab a little more on if it did wear but if u've dealt with Freedom as u have u will know that if u ask them to plate ur van out they would and do a very good job of it.
I wouldnt bother but each to their own I suppose :)
100% true they are spot on, I cant fault them on work only thing that I can fault them on is not letting me spending the money I had in my pocket, was burning a hole in my pocket all day on the buses and winning £100 aswell didnt help (not a fault really it a good thing)
LOL ;D
I,m seein Andrew MCann on Teusday and HAVE to get him to look at this post!!!
Poor bloke will have a fit thinkin u left with money in ur pocket Ian ;D
I am quite blunt, I did tell him ;) think I had about £400 in me pocket aswell, was going to be like a kid in a sweet shop, instead i looked at the sweets i didnt buy any :'( loooool
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Bl++dy hell Ian!!!
Janet there makes me turn me pockets inside out to check I aint got no money left when I leave!! lol :)
Naaa a good thing about them is they dont ever seem to try and sell u stuff that u dont need. A good thing in my opinion coz if ur like me u like ur new toys Ian.. lol.
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A customer mentioned them to us.
They told him they would fit a complete system in just one day, which included prepairing and coating the floor (what about drying time) !!
Its not practicle or possible to do the job properly in a day - well it is possible but that would mean no checks could be carried out on the pumps,charging relay, RO/Di, and no time to run the unit to check for leaks from poles,fittings,RO etc. Even drilling the floor pan and prepairing and tightning the tank securing bolts, plates and chassis correctly can take half a day if the vehicles fuel tank needs dropping to secure the water tank that part of the job can and often does take a full day.
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A customer mentioned them to us.
They told him they would fit a complete system in just one day, which included prepairing and coating the floor (what about drying time) !!
Its not practicle or possible to do the job properly in a day - well it is possible but that would mean no checks could be carried out on the pumps,charging relay, RO/Di, and no time to run the unit to check for leaks from poles,fittings,RO etc. Even drilling the floor pan and prepairing and tightning the tank securing bolts, plates and chassis correctly can take half a day if the vehicles fuel tank needs dropping to secure the water tank that part of the job can and often does take a full day.
they can fit in one day they did mine, they send you the protectakote you paint it, if not they do it for you but takes I think three days, they also check the system before it goes in the van, and also once it is all in the van for leaks ect, they do not guarentee it will be fitted in one day but they do work late to try and do this. They are engineers so they know about the fitting side and they cages are custom made for you all is set up when you arrive. If anyone want details on there systems give me a bell.
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Glyn whats the drying time of the van coating ?
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A customer mentioned them to us.
They told him they would fit a complete system in just one day, which included prepairing and coating the floor (what about drying time) !!
Its not practicle or possible to do the job properly in a day - well it is possible but that would mean no checks could be carried out on the pumps,charging relay, RO/Di, and no time to run the unit to check for leaks from poles,fittings,RO etc. Even drilling the floor pan and prepairing and tightning the tank securing bolts, plates and chassis correctly can take half a day if the vehicles fuel tank needs dropping to secure the water tank that part of the job can and often does take a full day.
Glynn ur customer told you wrong info.
If they do the van floor they want your van for three days!! Two of these are for the floor coat to go off.
I had a 400 litre system fitted in a day by them. They sent me the protectakote out as soon as I ordered for me to put it on. Its easy to do by anyone. It comes in a kit with full instructions. My system was assembled by them before I arrived and according to them fully tested as much as possible. I spent a day in Grimsby and Cleethorpes and they called me when it was ready. They had checked it for leaks and stuff and showed me right round it and also it working. I am not the only one I know who has a system from them and they, like me are very happy with the system and after sales service.
I dont think it's impossible in any way to fit a system properly in a full day. Like Ian says they are also an engineering company and I had to my knowledge 3 to 4 of their guys working installing my sys.
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What vans did you guys have the kit fitted into ?
I would be interested to know how long they take to fit out a VW Transporter.
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What vans did you guys have the kit fitted into ?
I would be interested to know how long they take to fit out a VW Transporter.
I have a cit relay swb, mine was done in a day. 650l tank 2 man set-up
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I've had a Fiat Doblo fitted out by PureFreedom.
They informed me that i might have to stay overnight, but worked their socks off till around 6.30 ish to get it installed in one day.
I absolutely love the set up i have. I have a 400ltr van mount with 2 of everything. I originally had it installed with the view to have someone working with me but reckon there's not much point because of the speed of wfp. This means i have a spare outlet and pump should anything go wrong with one.
In my opinion they are a cracking bunch of guys. Even dropped me off in Cleethorpe for the day.
I am just about ready to have a second van fitted and wouldn't hesitate in going back to them for another system.
Regards,
Lance
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Glyn at Omnipole - Can you tell me why your systems installed are twice the price of the competition?
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SNAP Sunshine windows lol :)
Except mine is a 1 man set up in a Doble. 400 ltr tank with onboard 4040 RO with auto cut off and outside ports for filling,waste and one to plug the reel into so that filling and working are secure from nickin fieves :p
Likewise I was told it may take more than 1 day but they worked till around 6 or 7 to finish it for me. Yeah they are a crackin bunch of lads except for leavin a poor WC in Grimsby for the day. :o If u read this Sunshine windows did they put the top on the tank to put stuff on? They did for me and even painted it in my van colours.. yellow. It looks and is the dogs danglies. Like u Sunshine I have plans for world domination and am plannin to put another van on the road early next year and will deffo be goin back to Freedom for the sys. :P
lol I can just imagine the poor guys coatin a van floor and fittin a sys in 1 day. They would be tryin to get that protectakote off for weeks!! ;D
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Matt99 wrote
"Glyn at Omnipole - Can you tell me why your systems installed are twice the price of the competition?"
Are you saying we are twice the price of Ionics, Brodex, Tucker? :D
I think a more interesting question might be why do Local Authorities, National and International organisations,the transport infrastructure organisations and the largest 1000 + cleaning companies choose Omnipole or one of the others mentioned above when they could buy cheaper. Why choose a new £20,000+ mercedes, volkswagen when another brand of new vehicle is cheaper. Personally I dont have a thing for trainers but many many do so why do they choose Nike when they could buy George at Asda trainers why do millions choose Kenco or Starbucks coffee everyday when the local cafe makes a cup for a fifth of the cost.
Another question you could also ask is why do ours and probably your window cleaning customers choose to pay more when they could have their windows cleaned far cheaper by someone else. I am sure their are many window cleaners in your area that would happily charge a lot less maybe even a third or a quarter of the cost for window cleaning than you do, so why dont your customers choose them?
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Spot on Glyn,you get what you pay for.
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didnt really need a lesson on why some things cost more than others ..... i was specifically asking about your omnipole system ... maybe you could have given me a break down of your components vs components of cheaper systems and some pros and cons ...... ::)
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Matt
I have no idea which other manufacturers systems you are refering to so how can I possibly give you a componant to componant breakdown.
What I can say is that we continously upgrade componants when new better ones become available and the cost of our full systems havent risen in cost since we started building them close on ten years ago.
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Spot on Glyn,you get what you pay for.
Sorry NWH I have to disagree with you.
Let me give you a real life example.
I won't mention manufacturers but I have 2 van mounted systems which I have to say I am happy with.. HOWEVER.. system No2 cost me around half of system No1. Actually looks better.. is easier to use and maintain and costs a LOT less to run.
It's got to be a fact that as the WFP market grows it will become more competetive for the suppliers. Not so many years ago the customers were nowhere near as well informed as they are now thanks to forums etc like this one. A well informed customer will make far better buying decisions.
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Matt
I have no idea which other manufacturers systems you are refering to so how can I possibly give you a componant to componant breakdown.
What I can say is that we continously upgrade componants when new better ones become available and the cost of our full systems havent risen in cost since we started building them close on ten years ago.
The systems that i am referring to are mentioned in this thread! (one being the topic of this thread) !! ???
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Matt
This is a photograph of one of our Pro systems, in this case a hot one. What can be compaired price wise?.
All items are completly different in design and specification tank/chassis,water treatment system, floor liner, pole racking, poles, triple pumps in this particular case,split charging relays, return to tank water flow controlers, twin under bumper inlets/outlets. I could post loads of close ups of individual componants to show the difference eg. our standard of securing plates, high tensile steel bolts etc. but they probably wouldnt mean a lot to most people.
We can and do build systems like the one you refer to and the pricing will be very similar + or - to the price they charge.
(http://www.omnipole.com/800%20HOT%20with%20chequer%20floor%20and%20outlets%201.jpg)
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Just had hot water added to my 450 litre system by omnipole ,same price and same hot system as omnipole ,check window cleaning systems website
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Spot on Glyn,you get what you pay for.
you do sometimes, then sometimes you get the same cheaper in a different package, just look at toothpaste (know its not the same) but the point is.
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Matt
I have only just looked at their site.
We would be more than happy to match their price and complete the fitting in a day to the same specification shown on their website.
When do you want it fitted?
Ours will of course be + VAT which I can only assume theirs will be be when their sales reach the threshold.
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Matt
I have only just looked at their site.
We would be more than happy to match their price and complete the fitting in a day to the same specification shown on their website.
When do you want it fitted?
Ours will of course be + VAT which I can only assume theirs will be be when their sales reach the threshold.
Hi Glyn (Omnipole):
Does that offer apply to those like myself who have not purchased your Hot Water Unit yet but is booked in to have it fitted next Thursday? :)
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Matt
I have only just looked at their site.
We would be more than happy to match their price and complete the fitting in a day to the same specification shown on their website.
When do you want it fitted?
Ours will of course be + VAT which I can only assume theirs will be be when their sales reach the threshold.
WOW!! Someones's cage has been rattled :o
Childish remarks like the VAT threshold one are not becoming of a company of high standing. >:(
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may have worded it wrong had my one fitted by omnipole , my point was they were the same product and price ,
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Hi Wayne
I was writting with regard to matching the price of their wfp systems, which after seeing the specification of their system as I wrote I am more than happy to match.
They now charge the same price as us for a hot water system - they were charging £500 more
Looking forward to fitting your unit next week its in stock waiting for you, we changed the design for our units and the exhaust outlet now comes out directly through the floor in stainless hose, I will supply you FOC a 25 litre steel jerry can with steel cage all nicely fitted.
Brightnclean
My cage hasnt been rattled at all.
I am just saying based on their spec I will hapily match the price and be smilling.
The VAT comment is based on the point that if you buy somthing of high value you expect the seller to be registered for VAT, otherwise what long term experiance could they possibly have in their chosen business.
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Hi Wayne
I was writting with regard to matching the price of their wfp systems, which after seeing the specification of their system as I wrote I am more than happy to match.
They now charge the same price as us for a hot water system - they were charging £500 more
Looking forward to fitting your unit next week its in stock waiting for you, we changed the design for our units and the exhaust outlet now comes out directly through the floor in stainless hose, I will supply you FOC a 25 litre steel jerry can with steel cage all nicely fitted.
Hi Glyn, that's very kind of you. :)
I asked about possibly fitting an internal roof rack in my short wheelbase, high roof, Iveco Daily and you mentioned that I would need to let you know the internal dimensions of my van.
Would it be possible to have an internal roof rack fitted in my Iveco Daily of the size that would normally fit in a long wheelbase Fiat Scudo as I intend changing my van late next year for the new long wheelbase, high roof Fiat Scudo with a 1200kg payload so I would be transfering it over to the other vehicle when I get it. Your thoughts would be appreciated. :)
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Glyn.
I thought you were referring to Purefreedom (Adepta Engineering Ltd) I now think that you are referring to WCS who I know nothing about other that what I see on their site and I bet any decent supplier would be happy to meet or beat their price for what they are offering so I see where you are coming from now.
I was at Purefreedom yesterday and mentioned this thread to Andrew McCann who just replied that Omnipole are a well established and very reputable company and that although he doesn't know you personally has a lot of admiration for you and your business.
OMG its 2 nil already!!! :o :o :o
IMHO this type of thread accomplishes very little for anyone's reputation.
I will come to meet you at your stand at Windex in March Glyn. Errr it's right next to Purefreedom's lol :)
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Good choice Wayne hot water unjt is very good great service
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I am pleased that everthing is clear now.
It is so easy to take things the wrong way replying on a forum.
Over the years I have had written disagreements on the other forum and when I have met up with my supposed adversarys at trade shows etc. we realized that the whole scenario was a misunderstanding.
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Hi Wayne
I was writting with regard to matching the price of their wfp systems, which after seeing the specification of their system as I wrote I am more than happy to match.
They now charge the same price as us for a hot water system - they were charging £500 more
Looking forward to fitting your unit next week its in stock waiting for you, we changed the design for our units and the exhaust outlet now comes out directly through the floor in stainless hose, I will supply you FOC a 25 litre steel jerry can with steel cage all nicely fitted.
Brightnclean
My cage hasnt been rattled at all.
I am just saying based on their spec I will hapily match the price and be smilling.
The VAT comment is based on the point that if you buy somthing of high value you expect the seller to be registered for VAT, otherwise what long term experiance could they possibly have in their chosen business.
I now the guys at wcs they are not vat registered for a couple of reasons, this is a bonus for people that dont pay VAT. And Glyn, this shows nothing about the compnay, all it means is people that do not pay vat get a result you cant offer
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I need a system fitted asap and have very limited wfp knowledge but want to get the best i can on a budget of 3k tops. I appreciate everybodys remarks ;D
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I need a system fitted asap and have very limited wfp knowledge but want to get the best i can on a budget of 3k tops. I appreciate everybodys remarks ;D
Matt,
stop stressing m8 ;)
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I have to agree with Glyn on the VAT issue.
Any company MUST be registered if it turns over more than £62K per year which in system supplier terms has to be absolute peanuts. I would be seriously worried about buying from a system supplier who isn't registered for the very reasons Glyn has mentioned. Basic accountancy good procedure normally dictates that even a start up company which forecasts reaching the VAT threshold should register from day one.
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as ian says ihave had perteketa coat for several years and has started to come off and used several coats
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Just one system or heater a fortnight = £65,000 a year (so now you must register)
lets say the margin is 20% = £13,000 per year
That wouldnt pay for a small factory unit not including rates and electricity
so how do the wages,insurances, telephone,stationary, tools, machinery etc etc. get paid?
It just doesnt add up
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Completely agree with Glyn.
Lets stop giving him a hard time by nitpicking over the daftest of things.
Omnipole are one of the bigger companies, and it's always appreciated when the likes of Glyn post on the forum.
Of course their systems are relatively expensive. just like some of the other major players their build quality is top notch, they would not be were they now are if this wasn't so.
Some of the newer boys on the block are truly innovative, look at what the likes of Alex Gardiner has done for lightweight poles and brushes.
We are fortunate in that there is something out there no matter the depth of your pocket, all the way down to Matt's DIY forum.
At some point in the future I would love to upgrade to a hot water system, when I do I will no doubt be studying closely what the likes of Omnipole and Ionics can offer me.
Alas, at the moment my idea of a hot water system is a Heath Robertson affair of seeing what will happen if I work out a way of using a household immersion heater :o
Cheap as chips and potentially could give me hot water to start the day,...why spend thousands of pounds if you can DIY it for 50 quid?
That isn't a serious question by the way, but you get my drift.
If and when I can afford it, I will go for an all singing, all dancing custom fitted system.
Did you look closely at the Omnipole photo?
that Ain't no DIY system!
Ian