Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jdemarco on November 13, 2007, 09:34:57 am
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Ive had a lad with me know for just over a month and he is purely wfp and trained thay way by myself. We were working together really well him wfp on tops and myself trad at bottoms (the best way to do it i feel). But the problem was i was behind with my office work, canvassing, pricing up etc. So i decided to employ a young lad who was a trad from the start, previosly cleaning with his brother who was very hit and miss and wanted someone to work for who was more stable...ie me.
His first day was yesterday so i took them both out overseeing everything work quality etc. Not cleaning a single window myself, mainly so i have a record of what they can achieve the following month without me there.
He was slow to start with but after showing him how i wanted it doing he soon sped up and was working well. I was hoping for them to generate approx 400 pound for the day bearing in mind the work wasnt my best and it was his first day for 1 lad and only a month for the other so very much begginers.
I was shocked to calculate this morning they earnt 513.50p, after paying out 110 pound for there combined wage leaves me with just over 400 pound for the day and not lifting a finger.
Im aware they might slow down a bit when im not around but even if they earn 400 pound a day im still happy and earning enough for me to manage my business and canvass like a trojan. At the moment they are part time till i generate more work for them.
This post is not to boast but for wcs who employ lads who dont generate much business for them and still get paid a decent salary. Are they really working hard enough for the wage your paying them.
Go out with them and see how they work when your there as opposed to when your not. In my opinion it shouldnt matter if your there or not they should work just as hard. you pay peanuts you get monkeys, you pay decent money you can still get monkeys! It is rare to get hard workers but i think its down to you as there employer to train them to be hard workers.
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how many hours did they put in to achieve this amount?
You're right they should work as well unsupervised as when supervised, but invariably they won't. Next step is to view them from afar when they don't know and then spot check the work :)
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How can you say that you've struck gold after just 1 day of the lads working together?
Have you registered for VAT yet?
Andy
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how can two people hit £500 a day?! :o
i take it it was all commercial....?
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Ive had a lad with me know for just over a month and he is purely wfp and trained thay way by myself. We were working together really well him wfp on tops and myself trad at bottoms (the best way to do it i feel). But the problem was i was behind with my office work, canvassing, pricing up etc. So i decided to employ a young lad who was a trad from the start, previosly cleaning with his brother who was very hit and miss and wanted someone to work for who was more stable...ie me.
His first day was yesterday so i took them both out overseeing everything work quality etc. Not cleaning a single window myself, mainly so i have a record of what they can achieve the following month without me there.
He was slow to start with but after showing him how i wanted it doing he soon sped up and was working well. I was hoping for them to generate approx 400 pound for the day bearing in mind the work wasnt my best and it was his first day for 1 lad and only a month for the other so very much begginers.
I was shocked to calculate this morning they earnt 513.50p, after paying out 110 pound for there combined wage leaves me with just over 400 pound for the day and not lifting a finger.
Im aware they might slow down a bit when im not around but even if they earn 400 pound a day im still happy and earning enough for me to manage my business and canvass like a trojan. At the moment they are part time till i generate more work for them.
This post is not to boast but for wcs who employ lads who dont generate much business for them and still get paid a decent salary. Are they really working hard enough for the wage your paying them.
Go out with them and see how they work when your there as opposed to when your not. In my opinion it shouldnt matter if your there or not they should work just as hard. you pay peanuts you get monkeys, you pay decent money you can still get monkeys! It is rare to get hard workers but i think its down to you as there employer to train them to be hard workers.
thats good well done!
but two things i can see that ou will have to take into account!!:
1) £110 for 2 people is not enough wages especially if they can see your earning £400 profit
2) they will not keep that pace all day every day, they will get bored, feel cheated, mess it up then off they will go.
we can achieve them figures no worries, but you will have to look at the bigger picture
YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH PAYING THEM THAT AMOUNT AND EARNING WHAT YOU DO THEY WILL LEAVE!! TAKE ACTION NOW IF YOU WANNA KEEP HOLD OF THEM BECUASE THEY WON'T BE AROUND FOR MUCH LONGER!!!
pay them bonuses to achieve them figures each day and you will be more likly to keep hold of them!
Look at it more on a 50/50 split, 50 % wages 50% profit you will be more likely to keep hold of them
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50/50 split is a bit high really when you have to start taking into account employers national insurance, emps and PL insurance, all other overheads. and with the cost of ever rising fuel, van insurance etc etc. Your cut of the 50/50 soon becomes a lot less :)
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lol you sound like a greedy turk payin that whilst earning 400 ya self. good luck but trust me it wont stay like that for much longetr than a week when they realise u r so greedy
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i don't think it is helen. depends how you run your business but mine is done through quantity, maybe this is why people moan on here that they can't decent staff because they simply ain't paying enough money? if people earn enough and don't feel cheated they will more likely stick with you. i have found it really is a simple as that!!
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The work was all residential and not my best (quite a bit of travelling).
If they quibble about the profit that i make on them i will sit them down and tell them the expense and over heads which is even more than before, now ive gone wfp, its alot higher maintenance than trad. One of the lads has told me that he has to work for someone because he has no motivation otherwise. when i told him ill pay him 50 pound a day for the first month and 60 pound a day after that he was made up and said it was a fantastic wage. He was on 40 pound a day before.
I know the enthusiasm will wear off in time but to make what they did on what was my not so good work it can only get better and the trad lad will speed up after the 1st month.
They worked 7.30 till 5.
They have both got very good attitudes towards work and understand the hard work that i have put in to making my business pay well.
I have paid lads alot more than they deserve in the past and given them incentive targets to hit and they still moan and still want more. So im just gonna keep it simple and keep a close eye on there attitude towards the work and if there enthusiasm starts to waver then thats the time to have incentives and bonus schemes but not from the start. If you give them what they want they will always want more.
There are otherways to keep them happy than just giving them more money.
Thats the route im taking!
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2 people earning £500 per day on residential how was this done?
1 house lets say a 3 bed semi takes about 15 mins not sure what you charge but lets say £10.00 so 7.30-5 pm with travelling inbetween for arguments sake 2 hours then breaks and lunch takes it to 3 thats a total of 7.5 hours so 15 mins per house without talking,tea drinking,locked gates, etc etc i work out thats 4 houses per hour so max of 28-29 houses @ £10 each does not come to £500??????
Ive been doing this a long time 2 in one van ....1 in 1 van every way possible to clean them and still cant touch £500 per day?
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A 9 1/2 hr day for £60? That's £6.31 ph....they'd get more working in McDonalds in the warmth.
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we was paying our window cleaners that much 9 years ago, dont moan when they poach your customers .
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The work was all residential and not my best (quite a bit of travelling).
If they quibble about the profit that i make on them i will sit them down and tell them the expense and over heads which is even more than before, now ive gone wfp, its alot higher maintenance than trad. One of the lads has told me that he has to work for someone because he has no motivation otherwise. when i told him ill pay him 50 pound a day for the first month and 60 pound a day after that he was made up and said it was a fantastic wage. He was on 40 pound a day before.
I know the enthusiasm will wear off in time but to make what they did on what was my not so good work it can only get better and the trad lad will speed up after the 1st month.
They worked 7.30 till 5.
They have both got very good attitudes towards work and understand the hard work that i have put in to making my business pay well.
I have paid lads alot more than they deserve in the past and given them incentive targets to hit and they still moan and still want more. So im just gonna keep it simple and keep a close eye on there attitude towards the work and if there enthusiasm starts to waver then thats the time to have incentives and bonus schemes but not from the start. If you give them what they want they will always want more.
There are otherways to keep them happy than just giving them more money.
Thats the route im taking!
From many, many years of experience in employing people I guarentee you will have problems paying your staff so little in view of their return to the business.
It will not be long before they do the maths and realise they are being paid roughly 21.5% of their turnover. This will create two situations:
1) They question their wage with you and you cannot justify a running expense on a vehicle of 80% per day. This will lead them to resent you and no doubt look at leaving. A well trained W/C in trad or WFP can earn a good wage and certainly more than £50/£60 per day.
2) They accept your reasoning and then you will notice your round standing still and less new customers coming your way, strangly they may end up in a different book for that day?
I learn't a long time ago and have always stuck to this motto:
I earn a little from a lot rather than a lot from a little! I have no staff issues and a very healthy business.
Best wishes,
Trevor
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They have both got very good attitudes towards work
you've only known 1 of them 1 day how can you possibly know if he has a good attitude towards work ::)
you will come unstuck very soon Jdemarco, watch yourself otherwise you will have no business left! i've learned from my own mistakes and i'm sure you will to and one of them is taking workers for granted that everything is fine, espeacially on them wages!
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greedy turl ;D
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or turk i mean lol
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i don't think it is helen. depends how you run your business but mine is done through quantity, maybe this is why people moan on here that they can't decent staff because they simply ain't paying enough money? if people earn enough and don't feel cheated they will more likely stick with you. i have found it really is a simple as that!!
Ours is based on quantity, but with the quality factor too!
Our pay structure is an hourly rate plus incentive bonus.
Full time is OTE £20k+ (one is on target for £24k this year as he wants to put extra effort in which is rewardable. On average he does 35/36 hours per week and always asks for more. Part time can be worked out pro rata. All in all after every element of overhead is worked out and deducted the business gets approx 45% nett of what he contributes to the business.
Keeping staff is not always down to bad paying, it is down to the individual person and to be quite honest the "I want loads for doing nothing attitide which has been adopted in this country" has been the major downfall for a few that have worked for us. :)
Mind you for £6.40 ish an hour, can't think of anyone who would want to drag themselves out of their pit for that, you could get that in benefits and stay in your cosy warm bed in the winter ;D
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Why do you all bother commenting? ::)
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Why do you all bother commenting? ::)
cos we have finished earning our £75 p/hr round today in 3 hours and have nothing better to do? ;D ;D ;D
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when i told him ill pay him 50 pound a day for the first month and 60 pound a day after that he was made up and said it was a fantastic wage. He was on 40 pound a day before.
If they are over the age of 22, by law they should earn the minumum rate wage, which is £5.52 per hour.
By you paying them £50.00 a day, this works out at £5.26 per hour so you are breaking the law.
You wage system also implies that you don't pay an hourly rate, the only workers who I know who are paid on a daily rate are also claiming benefits, and their employers don't have employer liability insurance as well.
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They have both got very good attitudes towards work
you've only known 1 of them 1 day how can you possibly know if he has a good attitude towards work ::)
you will come unstuck very soon Jdemarco, watch yourself otherwise you will have no business left! i've learned from my own mistakes and i'm sure you will to and one of them is taking workers for granted that everything is fine, espeacially on them wages!
The 1 lad ive just taken on ive known for years so i do know his attitude. My business is thriving and has been from day 1. Where i live is a gold mine of oppurtunity there are many areas still screaming out for reliable window cleaners.Why do you all bother commenting? ::)
Because i offer a hope for window cleaners who want to achieve more. What do you offer? Apart from your negative feedback!
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when i told him ill pay him 50 pound a day for the first month and 60 pound a day after that he was made up and said it was a fantastic wage. He was on 40 pound a day before.
If they are over the age of 22, by law they should earn the minumum rate wage, which is £5.52 per hour.
By you paying them £50.00 a day, this works out at £5.26 per hour so you are breaking the law.
You wage system also implies that you don't pay an hourly rate, the only workers who I know who are paid on a daily rate are also claiming benefits, and their employers don't have employer liability insurance as well.
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jdemarco,
I am intrigued to know how two of your guys can turnover £500+ per day.
Would you mind if I worked along with them for a day to see how its done?
Andy
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Andy, would you expect the £50 or £60 per day rate?
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Andy, would you expect the £50 or £60 per day rate?
No, I would do it for nothing just to see how its done!
Andy
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chillie sauce with that mate
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Andy, would you expect the £50 or £60 per day rate?
No, I would do it for nothing just to see how its done!
Andy
All the way to Anglesey and back and a days work too! Thinking of starting a round up over there are you due to the fact there are not any reliable WC's there. other than JD's of course ;D
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All the way to Anglesey and back and a days work too! Thinking of starting a round up over there are you due to the fact there are not any reliable WC's there. other than JD's of course Grin
It would be worth the travel to see how jdemarco manages it.
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"""Where i live is a gold mine of oppurtunity there are many areas still screaming out for reliable window cleaners""" Once your guys catch on, I guess they will go off by themselves and grab these other areas. :o
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i went out on my 4th day cleaning today and cleared £526 on my own, using a backpack, don't know what all the fuss is about ::)
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Why do you all bother commenting? ::)
Because i offer a hope for window cleaners who want to achieve more. What do you offer? Apart from your negative feedback!
I'm not negative at all.
I'm a realist though.
I don't exaggerate, I tell the truth, not what people want to hear or what impresses people.
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jdemarco,
I am intrigued to know how two of your guys can turnover £500+ per day.
Would you mind if I worked along with them for a day to see how its done?
Andy
Your more than welcome. Anytime after christmas!
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when i told him ill pay him 50 pound a day for the first month and 60 pound a day after that he was made up and said it was a fantastic wage. He was on 40 pound a day before.
If they are over the age of 22, by law they should earn the minumum rate wage, which is £5.52 per hour.
By you paying them £50.00 a day, this works out at £5.26 per hour so you are breaking the law.
You wage system also implies that you don't pay an hourly rate, the only workers who I know who are paid on a daily rate are also claiming benefits, and their employers don't have employer liability insurance as well.
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I take it that you also pay them their hoilday entitlement, which at the moment is 4.8 weeks a year on full wages, this is going up to 5.6 weeks in 2009.
They should also have at least 20 minutes rest breaks, if they are to work more than 6 hours, these can be taken away from the working enviroment, and these breaks can be longer if there are health and safety issues with their jobs.
You also pay their national insurance contribution of 12.8% as well.
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Why do you all bother commenting? ::)
Because i offer a hope for window cleaners who want to achieve more. What do you offer? Apart from your negative feedback!
I'm not negative at all.
I'm a realist though.
I don't exaggerate, I tell the truth, not what people want to hear or what impresses people.
That makes 2 of us then...I DONT LIE!!
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when i told him ill pay him 50 pound a day for the first month and 60 pound a day after that he was made up and said it was a fantastic wage. He was on 40 pound a day before.
Tere both self employed.
If they are over the age of 22, by law they should earn the minumum rate wage, which is £5.52 per hour.
By you paying them £50.00 a day, this works out at £5.26 per hour so you are breaking the law.
You wage system also implies that you don't pay an hourly rate, the only workers who I know who are paid on a daily rate are also claiming benefits, and their employers don't have employer liability insurance as well.
There both 21
I take it that you also pay them their hoilday entitlement, which at the moment is 4.8 weeks a year on full wages, this is going up to 5.6 weeks in 2009.
They should also have at least 20 minutes rest breaks, if they are to work more than 6 hours, these can be taken away from the working enviroment, and these breaks can be longer if there are health and safety issues with their jobs.
You also pay their national insurance contribution of 12.8% as well.
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£500-00 a day? yeh ok ;)
even if this were the case you are grossly underpaying them
they won't last 5 minutes when the reality kicks in of the potenial earnings from window cleaning
if i had 2 guys earning me £500-00 a day ;)
i would happily pay them £100 each per day, therefore they would be on £500 per week (5 days)
and i would be getting £1,500 per week for sitting on my a*rse (probally retire on that, almost £78,000 per year)
if what you are saying is true ;) then pay them a decent living wage :(
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£500-00 a day? yeh ok ;)
even if this were the case you are grossly underpaying them
they won't last 5 minutes when the reality kicks in of the potenial earnings from window cleaning
if i had 2 guys earning me £500-00 a day ;)
i would happily pay them £100 each per day, therefore they would be on £500 per week (5 days)
and i would be getting £1,500 per week for sitting on my a*rse (probally retire on that, almost £78,000 per year)
if what you are saying is true ;) then pay them a decent living wage :(
I will do eventually. Everyone that has worked with me the past 2 years have earnt the same amount 500+. so what does that tell you?
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jd they not working today??? or have you popped home and left them doing the job??
Wot is your company called again??
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jdemarco,
Are you VAT registered yet?
Andy
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jdemarco,
Are you VAT registered yet?
Andy
yes and no!
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jdemarco,
Are you VAT registered yet?
Andy
yes and no!
I think this is the answer to your questions Andy
jdemarco, ...... yes
Are you VAT registered yet?...... no
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wots the cloak and dagger about jd?
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Surely you are well over the VAT threshold?
Andy
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Surely you are well over the VAT threshold?
Andy
Are you all saying that you declare every penny that you earn. All my work is cash in hand!
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bet the taxman wonders hows you brought simon cowells old house! ;D
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Are you all saying that you declare every penny that you earn. All my work is cash in hand!
What a great businessman you are!
Andy
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Are you all saying that you declare every penny that you earn. All my work is cash in hand!
What a great businessman you are!
Andy
We all have our flaws!
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How many people do you have working for you earning £500 per day and how do you manage to get enough work for these workers and also how do you manage the round
Dean
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How many people do you have working for you earning £500 per day and how do you manage to get enough work for these workers and also how do you manage the round
Dean
2 lads working 3 days per week.
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Here we go again ::) Boring
Oh how I laughed at that post ;D
Boring post, tad thick as well.
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Surely you are well over the VAT threshold?
Andy
Are you all saying that you declare every penny that you earn. All my work is cash in hand!
If that's the case and you're not a wind-up merchant, then you are cheating the other window cleaners in your area. Fiddling the books helps you keep the rates down which more honest window cleaners might have trouble competing against.
Personally, I think you're just a wind up merchant. Quite entertaining though.
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Are you all saying that you declare every penny that you earn. All my work is cash in hand!
What a great businessman you are!
Andy
We all have our flaws!
what is your round value per month JDE ?
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£500-00 a day? yeh ok ;)
even if this were the case you are grossly underpaying them
they won't last 5 minutes when the reality kicks in of the potenial earnings from window cleaning
if i had 2 guys earning me £500-00 a day ;)
i would happily pay them £100 each per day, therefore they would be on £500 per week (5 days)
and i would be getting £1,500 per week for sitting on my a*rse (probally retire on that, almost £78,000 per year)
if what you are saying is true ;) then pay them a decent living wage :(
I will do eventually. Everyone that has worked with me the past 2 years have earnt the same amount 500+. so what does that tell you?
everyone that has worked for you in the last 2 years?
where are they now??
i rest my case your lordship ;D
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Squeaky look at the big picture,with good employes figures like this can be acheived.No offense intented mate but because you feel you couldn`t acheive these numbers it dosen`t make it impossible for others with different work,one thing i don`t agree with is what he`s paying them,once one of them 2 grows a brain they`ll be off on there toes.Don`t be greedy JD you`ll end up with loads of work and no one to do it,pay them what your paying them at the moment + bonus if they complete the amount of work required over the course of the month,if you treat them mean it won`t keep them keen.
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Squeaky look at the big picture,with good employes figures like this can be acheived.No offense intented mate but because you feel you couldn`t acheive these numbers it dosen`t make it impossible for others with different work,one thing i don`t agree with is what he`s paying them,once one of them 2 grows a brain they`ll be off on there toes.Don`t be greedy JD you`ll end up with loads of work and no one to do it,pay them what your paying them at the moment + bonus if they complete the amount of work required over the course of the month,if you treat them mean it won`t keep them keen.
NWH, no offense taken, but I'm realistic mate.
Yes it is impossible.
It's not going to happen. ::)
When I first started 10 years ago this week, my first few days turnover were something like £35, £38 and £44.
After a few weeks it was up around £60 to £70.
I was doing way more than anyone else I worked with.
On the same round now if I worked all day like that I'd do £160-odd.
What I'm saying is when you start you're miles slower.
I don't believe £500 anyway, but on the first few days?
More like £50, and everybody knows it.
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can not belive you think he is just a tad.
mental illness is also my best friend!
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Are you all saying that you declare every penny that you earn. All my work is cash in hand!
What a great businessman you are!
Andy
We all have our flaws!
what is your round value per month JDE ?
At the moment its 6000 pounds a month. Picked up a few more last week and lost a couple this week so poss just over 6 grand. I didnt get the extra work i was after that went to a chap who used to work with me, wasnt much good then cant imagine hes any better now, another hit and miss. but now have alot more time for canvassing the whole of Anglesey and then into north wales main land.
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Yes Snowdonia is heavily populated i believe.
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Squeaky look at the big picture,with good employes figures like this can be acheived.No offense intented mate but because you feel you couldn`t acheive these numbers it dosen`t make it impossible for others with different work,one thing i don`t agree with is what he`s paying them,once one of them 2 grows a brain they`ll be off on there toes.Don`t be greedy JD you`ll end up with loads of work and no one to do it,pay them what your paying them at the moment + bonus if they complete the amount of work required over the course of the month,if you treat them mean it won`t keep them keen.
NWH, no offense taken, but I'm realistic mate.
Yes it is impossible.
It's not going to happen. ::)
When I first started 10 years ago this week, my first few days turnover were something like £35, £38 and £44.
After a few weeks it was up around £60 to £70.
I was doing way more than anyone else I worked with.
On the same round now if I worked all day like that I'd do £160-odd.
What I'm saying is when you start you're miles slower.
I don't believe £500 anyway, but on the first few days?
More like £50, and everybody knows it.
When i started on my own 4 years ago i was on 15 pound an hour and every 6 months after that it kept rising and is still rising i couldnt explain it, its just the way it was. I just put it down to my hard work. I was nothing special and still arent...what can i say. Must just be lucky!
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Squeaky you must have a poor round,if you`ve been going as long as you say and are now unable to acheive a top daily rate you must have been standing still for the last 10 years,again no offense intended cos if you hadn`t you would would know this is possible,maybe not with 2 new to the game employees but it is possible.
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Oh, come off it.
Unable to achieve a top daily rate?
£160-odd quid from 9.15-3pm with an hour for lunch is crap is it? ::)
That's £32-odd per hour.
Often I make far less, but I work 3 to 4 days a week, run a brand new van and an 3 year old MPV, I have all the toys and gadgets in my house, go out on weekends and play golf regularly.
..and I've still got cash in my pocket and my bank balance goes upwards.
Oooh, It's one long struggle. :-\
Yeah, I've stood still. ::)
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LOL,am i right in thinking that a while back you were wondering how you were going to pay your tax bill,may or june i think it was. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I had a double bill, because they were putting my account in advance.
Also, that was when I'd been off for 6 weeks and I was just starting wfp.
I'm 30-40% quicker now. ;)
Once I fill the empty weeks I'll have a good income.
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At the moment its 6000 pounds a month. Picked up a few more last week and lost a couple this week so poss just over 6 grand. I didnt get the extra work i was after that went to a chap who used to work with me, wasnt much good then cant imagine hes any better now, another hit and miss. but now have alot more time for canvassing the whole of Anglesey and then into north wales main land.
Is that £6k per month or per every 4 weeks, not that it matters that much as either means you must be or should be vat registered. Would suggest that you declare all my friend after disclosing your figures here ;)
hmmm a chap that used to work with you got this other business, even if he is not that good, doesn't that tell you something? :)
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At the moment its 6000 pounds a month. Picked up a few more last week and lost a couple this week so poss just over 6 grand. I didnt get the extra work i was after that went to a chap who used to work with me, wasnt much good then cant imagine hes any better now, another hit and miss. but now have alot more time for canvassing the whole of Anglesey and then into north wales main land.
Is that £6k per month or per every 4 weeks, not that it matters that much as either means you must be or should be vat registered. Would suggest that you declare all my friend after disclosing your figures here ;)
hmmm a chap that used to work with you got this other business, even if he is not that good, doesn't that tell you something? :)
Yeh it tells me that he wasted my time and wasnt true to his word. All rounds will come back to me eventually anyway so i wasnt that bothered it will just take longer to get it. Very few good workers up here. 6k a month so a bit more if every 4 weeks not including when i go early, but i dont want to start that discussion up again!
Will be vat registered asap sweetheart. ;)
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what i dont understand is that youve had previous workers and paid them £500 per week and they are hit and miss when it comes to turning up . what a laff anybody on a wage like that dont hit & miss they turn up .
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were abouts in anglesea is it jd, be worth the travel from manchester to be earning £78, 000 plus working 3 days! ::)
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I'm so glad I popped over to the window cleaning section to have a read.
Cheers Jay
Jamie
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Squeaky.
Your experience exactly mirrors mine. £35 a day ,£45 a day. I was really slow and didn't have much work.
Eventually I got to about £80.
Now I average about £120 per day.
I have one of the best, if not the best van set ups on this forum and a very succesfull background, and there is no way that jd's entry level trolley with two half sharps is going to tatter me.
JD is entertaining and good value for money, but he should realise that that someone will drop him in it. I speak as someone dropped in it more than once. If anyone does get dropped in it ask me and I will try to help.
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Are you all saying that you declare every penny that you earn. All my work is cash in hand!
What a great businessman you are!
Andy
We all have our flaws!
what is your round value per month JDE ?
At the moment its 6000 pounds a month. Picked up a few more last week and lost a couple this week so poss just over 6 grand. I didnt get the extra work i was after that went to a chap who used to work with me, wasnt much good then cant imagine hes any better now, another hit and miss. but now have alot more time for canvassing the whole of Anglesey and then into north wales main land.
I reckon your employees must have large keys in their backs so you can wind them up too :)
Seriously though, with time, I think the figures you speak of could be attained with hard graft and good business management. I think you need to take a long hard look at your VAT situation though. If you get caught out, they can be merciless. The burden of proof doesn't seem to lie with them either.
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what i dont understand is that youve had previous workers and paid them £500 per week and they are hit and miss when it comes to turning up . what a laff anybody on a wage like that dont hit & miss they turn up .
I dunno.
It wasn't from window cleaning but i was earning £1200 a week a few years back (until it burnt me out).
I didn't turn up for half of it the next month. Still earnt 2.8k the next few months and was finished by 3.30 each day. (And noon on a friday ;D). Happy days.
Being younger and easy come easy go, i didn't see the point earning all that cash when i was far from home with very little time to spend it.
Am sure there are many others like that.
I speak as someone dropped in it more than once. If anyone does get dropped in it ask me and I will try to help.
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At the moment its 6000 pounds a month. Picked up a few more last week and lost a couple this week so poss just over 6 grand. I didnt get the extra work i was after that went to a chap who used to work with me, wasnt much good then cant imagine hes any better now, another hit and miss. but now have alot more time for canvassing the whole of Anglesey and then into north wales main land.
£6000 a month?
That's funny because in this thread http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=44325.20 (page 2 post 17) a month ago you said that your round was worth £8000 a month?
You've lost an awful lot of customers in 1 month???
Andy
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At the moment its 6000 pounds a month. Picked up a few more last week and lost a couple this week so poss just over 6 grand. I didnt get the extra work i was after that went to a chap who used to work with me, wasnt much good then cant imagine hes any better now, another hit and miss. but now have alot more time for canvassing the whole of Anglesey and then into north wales main land.
£6000 a month?
That's funny because in this thread http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=44325.20 (page 2 post 17) a month ago you said that your round was worth £8000 a month?
You've lost an awful lot of customers in 1 month???
Andy
Look he's got money coming out of his ears. What's a couple of grand here and there ::)
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I have been told that most companies run on 10-15% profit margin. This is after you have taken a manager's salary from your figures.
I think th £500 per day £110 wage equation is unsustainable.
Plus, you are hiring them for only 3 days?
What will they do with the other days?
Roof rack? Ladders? You bet!
Pretty soon they will figure out that they can make more doing 3 hours for themselves rather than 3 DAYS for you
People are not stupid, they will soon work it out.
I would think about paying them 20% each. Take 30% for your salary. 20% for the expenses and 10% profit for the company.
What does everybody else think?
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I would think about paying them 20% each. Take 30% for your salary. 20% for the expenses and 10% profit for the company.
What does everybody else think?
No chance, they'll run a mile.
I used to work for Ian for 50% and that used to do my head in.
£500 week and I had to give him half and go home with a poxy £250. :(
Sure enough I left in the end, and I'm miles better off.
You need to pay someone at least 50%.
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So you would give them 50% each? So you make... ...nothing?
Sorry, Squeeky, I don't understand ???
Perhaps you mean 25% each?
What about the costs of a van, insurance, diesel, etc.
When you worked for Ian, was he paying for all these things?
If we're talking subcontracted, well, that IS a different story.
The 50% (25% each) would defo be justified in that case.
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steve i really think 10 % percent is way way too low.
You want to be earning at least 30/40%,f you have 2 turnover of £500,000 a year to earn 50k a year ???
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steve i apoligise iv read again and you say 30% for salary amd 10% profit = 40% ;)
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What about the costs of a van, insurance, diesel, etc.
When you worked for Ian, was he paying for all these things?
Yes, and he raked it in from me and whoever else worked for him.
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I would think about paying them 20% each. Take 30% for your salary. 20% for the expenses and 10% profit for the company.
What does everybody else think?
No chance, they'll run a mile.
I used to work for Ian for 50% and that used to do my head in.
£500 week and I had to give him half and go home with a poxy £250. :(
Sure enough I left in the end, and I'm miles better off.
You need to pay someone at least 50%.
when you took home £250 did you have to pay your own fuel, insurance, mot etc ect ?
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Not for work no, but I had my own car obviously.
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hardly raking it in!
With the kind of work ~I was doing (along with Roger) 50% was fair, regardless of what he may have thought!
Though even at that time the work being done was probably under priced in many instances.
When you employ people you also become more of an overhead yourself, and the more you employ, the less time you have yourself to go out and 'earn' money.
Roger for instance rarely started before 9am, had breaks and was finished by 3.30pm.
In fact Roger was ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS 5 or 6 minutes late, and even then, he'd drive off, park up, get out his paper and have a cuppa from his flask, and yes sunshine, I know you did because I WATCHED you on more than one occasion!!
So his £250 a week, cash in hand was a good return for his labour, (that was 6 years or more ago remember) and yes, I stretched the employment laws, but that was long ago enough that I can't be had for it now.
Take a look at your average garage mechanic, he'll be on £6 or £7 an hour, his boss will be charging as much as £50 an hour for his labour...go figure.
JD is under paying his guys, particularly in view of the fact they are working for 7ish until 5ish, but were he employing the pair of them legally - and I'll bet he is employing them in the same way I was employing Roger - they would need to be turning over £200+ each per day, and no way would 50% be sensible either, by the time realistic overheads and running costs are taken into consideration JD wouldn't be making much money.
What a business turns over has nothing to do with the employee, providing he or she is well paid for the work they do that is the main thing.
There are ways and means of offering incentives to employees, and if your work is commercial rather than residential you are more likely to retain your employees as regardless of how much they turn over, getting that type of work is a very different ball game to slowly building up your own domestic round.
I don't personally believe JD's story, I don't think the figures add up...brand new employee working directly alongside existing (and not very experienced) employee and still knocking out £500+ in a single day, and both working on same properties together...uhhuh...
But it is a good post nonetheless, and shows the ignorance of many with regards to running a business and having employees.
Oh, and if I was raking it in, why didn't I continue to employ? It has many drawbacks and costs as well as many benefits, and I would also have needed Roger's replacement to turn over a lot more than the £500 Roger was doing (those are ballpark figures too by the way, wasn't often he did £100 per day, rarely in fact unless he was doing commercial)
Oh,So you would give them 50% each? So you make... ...nothing?
you would pay them 50% of what each individual turns over, not each one 50% of the combined turnover!! :o
Ian
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Not for work no, but I had my own car obviously.
The IMO you got a very good deal £250 for £500 working is an easy wage to earn, and reading if that was 6 years ago, it was top money, after emplyer expensive he may of made £120 maybe £150 a week, then had to wait for the money to come in, pay fuel, bank charges, tax ect ect ect ect ect many people that do not have a clue about emplying someone come up with answers like this I make him money blah blah blah, I had a wolly work for me once I paid him 50% I piad his fuel and insurance, he did the first 2 houses per day to cover the expenses, then got 50% there after, he left and went out on his own, saw him the other day hes now earning £350 a week on his own I just laughed and said was not to bad working for me was it! he now earns less
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hardly raking it in!
With the kind of work ~I was doing (along with Roger) 50% was fair, regardless of what he may have thought!
Though even at that time the work being done was probably under priced in many instances.
When you employ people you also become more of an overhead yourself, and the more you employ, the less time you have yourself to go out and 'earn' money.
Roger for instance rarely started before 9am, had breaks and was finished by 3.30pm.
In fact Roger was ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS 5 or 6 minutes late, and even then, he'd drive off, park up, get out his paper and have a cuppa from his flask, and yes sunshine, I know you did because I WATCHED you on more than one occasion!!
So his £250 a week, cash in hand was a good return for his labour, (that was 6 years or more ago remember) and yes, I stretched the employment laws, but that was long ago enough that I can't be had for it now.
Take a look at your average garage mechanic, he'll be on £6 or £7 an hour, his boss will be charging as much as £50 an hour for his labour...go figure.
JD is under paying his guys, particularly in view of the fact they are working for 7ish until 5ish, but were he employing the pair of them legally - and I'll bet he is employing them in the same way I was employing Roger - they would need to be turning over £200+ each per day, and no way would 50% be sensible either, by the time realistic overheads and running costs are taken into consideration JD wouldn't be making much money.
What a business turns over has nothing to do with the employee, providing he or she is well paid for the work they do that is the main thing.
There are ways and means of offering incentives to employees, and if your work is commercial rather than residential you are more likely to retain your employees as regardless of how much they turn over, getting that type of work is a very different ball game to slowly building up your own domestic round.
I don't personally believe JD's story, I don't think the figures add up...brand new employee working directly alongside existing (and not very experienced) employee and still knocking out £500+ in a single day, and both working on same properties together...uhhuh...
But it is a good post nonetheless, and shows the ignorance of many with regards to running a business and having employees.
Oh, and if I was raking it in, why didn't I continue to employ? It has many drawbacks and costs as well as many benefits, and I would also have needed Roger's replacement to turn over a lot more than the £500 Roger was doing (those are ballpark figures too by the way, wasn't often he did £100 per day, rarely in fact unless he was doing commercial)
Oh,So you would give them 50% each? So you make... ...nothing?
you would pay them 50% of what each individual turns over, not each one 50% of the combined turnover!! :o
Ian
Good post Ian (generally ;D)
5 or 6 minutes late...?
At the most!
Usually 3 or 4 minutes.
Never exactly on time though. ;D
Funny thing is, he was sat there on the computer usually, and we'd talk for a bit.
Sometimes I'd leave at 8.15, sometimes 8.35.
Those 5 mins made so much difference. ;D
...and he'd bloody scream too!
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if you was meant to be there at a certain time he had every right to scream at you if you was as you say3 or 4 mins late.
if you worked for any other company and was late all the time you would get sacked, I ask my staff to be he 5 mins before work so they can chat if they want to in there time not mine.
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i agree ian when i employ they will get a bonus for timekeeping paid say if they have good timekeeping for a month(wiy=th two exceptions on being slightly late.
so if you was 4 or 5 min lates evert day you would lose about 20% of income, then see if you would want to be late!
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Oooohhhh...he drove me round the bloody twist! And just like Reggie Perrin, there was always a good excuse; stuck behind a tractor, it was foggy, couldn't pull out on main road cos of the traffic...and he's wrong too! 3 or 4 minutes indeed...pah! as my Missus will attest to...was always at least 5 or 6 minutes and often more than that! I've just read out his post to her and it's left her sputtering incoherently!! :-X
If he'd got there on time he'd have had the offer of a coffee too, instead we'd discuss the days work, I'd give him his work lists and off he'd go....to park up and have a cup of his own coffee!
But he did his work, and I didn't mind what time he finished either...that's part of the incentive when someone works for a percentage, without that incentive he would probably have just plodded along if he was on a set wage, but that incentive made him a quick and efficient window cleaner.
And Roger always knew that I would on occasions check his work quality.
I never assumed my employees would do a perfect job all the time, Roger was good, but others would try and cut corners, and I was always lurking around checking on what was going on...
Ian
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if you was meant to be there at a certain time he had every right to scream at you if you was as you say3 or 4 mins late.
if you worked for any other company and was late all the time you would get sacked, I ask my staff to be he 5 mins before work so they can chat if they want to in there time not mine.
Yeah if you started work at a set time.
It was when Ian had finished talking, which could be any time!
Funny looking back though. ;D
It's just no fun having no workmates now.
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Oooohhhh...he drove me round the bloody twist! And just like Reggie Perrin, there was always a good excuse; stuck behind a tractor, it was foggy, couldn't pull out on main road cos of the traffic...and he's wrong too! 3 or 4 minutes indeed...pah! as my Missus will attest to...was always at least 5 or 6 minutes and often more than that! I've just read out his post to her and it's left her sputtering incoherently!! :-X
If he'd got there on time he'd have had the offer of a coffee too, instead we'd discuss the days work, I'd give him his work lists and off he'd go....to park up and have a cup of his own coffee!
But he did his work, and I didn't mind what time he finished either...that's part of the incentive when someone works for a percentage, without that incentive he would probably have just plodded along if he was on a set wage, but that incentive made him a quick and efficient window cleaner.
And Roger always knew that I would on occasions check his work quality.
I never assumed my employees would do a perfect job all the time, Roger was good, but others would try and cut corners, and I was always lurking around checking on what was going on...
Ian
the way to insure good work is to take any complains, give the customer a free clean and take the amount out of wages, works well for me, I do not get complaints
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jdemarco what sort of houses did these lads earn this money on (what size and how many) also how do you price your work up to attain such a good income do you price per window (if so how much per window) or some other method.
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I`ve read through this thread with interest.
I know for a fact that three workers (backpack only) can get through £1500 of domestic work per week. I`ve worked the run myself.
That is with an outdated van comprising a 600 litre tank,knackered backpacks,worn out poles and brush heads and of course a don`t give a feck attitude. Add to that no insurance whatsoever and various 16/17 year old workers who eventually give up.
Despite all of that he rakes it in covering only one medium sized town in South Ayrshire,Scotland.
What chance do we have?
Two points here.
1. Yes that turnover is achievable.
2.It can only be and is illegal.
ps. I`ve 12 years window cleaning experience both trad and WFP,the wrong side of 40 and welcome any pm`s on this subject.
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jdemarco what sort of houses did these lads earn this money on (what size and how many) also how do you price your work up to attain such a good income do you price per window (if so how much per window) or some other method.
They cleaned 60 houses of variouse sizes ranging from the smallest being a bungalow at 3,50 and a large detached house at 55 pound. After reading squeakys post when he says that he can earn 32 pound an hour thats not far off my hourly rate working on my own. So if he had a lad work with him he can easily earn 500+ pounds a day, i dont know what the big fuss is about. It sounds to me like not many of you work full days. Which leaves me to ask why the hell not?!
Unless you havnt got enough work, the work you have got cram as much as you can into a FULL day, if your out then you might aswell stay out.
Some of my prices are very very good most are average and some are poor so its not down to my price strategy its just the way i organise my work and drive myself forward to do as much as poss. I dont have coffee breaks at the most ill have 10 mins for lunch. when i have had long breaks for lunch and coffe breaks but it doesnt invigorate me it only slows me down. Im very much intouch with my body and know what makes it tick so to speak. So when im full of energy and ready to rock i can keep that going all day. And i dont need hour breaks to do this. Dont get me wrong i eat alot and i know the importance of food and rest. I try and eat every 2-3 hrs but i do this on the go. Not every one can work like this, people that work with me think im a machine cos i just keep going and dont stop im very much driven.
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Just wondering do your employees wear night vision goggles? :)
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It sounds to me like not many of you work full days. Which leaves me to ask why the hell not?!
You' answered that yourself
Not every one can work like this,
Id prefer to look at it as some simply choose not to, there quite simply is more to life than money. For me I scuba dive in Egypt regularly.
I own my own house, with no mortgage, I have a beautiful cottage in a rural location, my partner and I have a great life together, we go out regularly together, I pay my taxes, I work the hours I WISH to, I take time off when I want, I charge what I want, I certainly dont feel the need to mouth-off about my earnings, and money is not my master, I have no desire, urge, wish or motivation to work the hours you claim; thankyou very much.
However, when I was a wee nipper-snapper of a young, dumb and full of cum wee laddie I also felt the need at that age to try being the loudest in the play-ground :P
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Well tommorrows another day with my new lads. If any ones interested how we get on then just post me tommorrow eve if not ill keep it shtum!
Regards and goodnight
j demarco
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j demarco
Cant wait for the update, keep at it
Dave
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GO for £1000!
It's acheivable...
...all you have to do is delete the 5, replace it with a 1 and add a zero ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I`ve read through this thread with interest.
I know for a fact that three workers (backpack only) can get through £1500 of domestic work per week. I`ve worked the run myself.
That is with an outdated van comprising a 600 litre tank,knackered backpacks,worn out poles and brush heads and of course a don`t give a feck attitude. Add to that no insurance whatsoever and various 16/17 year old workers who eventually give up.
Despite all of that he rakes it in covering only one medium sized town in South Ayrshire,Scotland.
What chance do we have?
Two points here.
1. Yes that turnover is achievable.
2.It can only be and is illegal.
ps. I`ve 12 years window cleaning experience both trad and WFP,the wrong side of 40 and welcome any pm`s on this subject.
500 per week for one man is normal (doing a thorough job not with a bad attitude) so why would 1500 for three men be anything special i dont understand the point you are trying to make
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jedmarco how did you manage to get two fairly new lads to achieve the same hourly rate as you ive been cleaning for 5 years now im pretty quick no record breaker but
could give most people a run for their money. thes lad who works for me is not as quick as your lads i probably clean 4 windows in the time it takes him to do one window ive tried all sorts to get him to go quicker occasionally it works but most of the time he just plods at his own pace. i think part of the problem he is not interested in having lots of money but if he was i could see the problem of him seeing how much he could earn on his own and going self employed.
so how did you get these lads to achieve so much for what you pay them
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There probobly polish and need to keep him happy cos they live in his house LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well tommorrows another day with my new lads. If any ones interested how we get on then just post me tommorrow eve if not ill keep it shtum!
Regards and goodnight
j demarco
Sitting here waiting for todays update ;)
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Well tommorrows another day with my new lads. If any ones interested how we get on then just post me tommorrow eve if not ill keep it shtum!
Regards and goodnight
j demarco
Sitting here waiting for todays update ;)
When hes gone to the toilet & wipped his back side it will be writen on the toilet paper. ::)
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Well tommorrows another day with my new lads. If any ones interested how we get on then just post me tommorrow eve if not ill keep it shtum!
Regards and goodnight
j demarco
Sitting here waiting for todays update ;)
Well today didnt go quite according to plan. i had to take one of the lads home after he was ill, But fair play to him he got up for work and we left at 7am after he was sick all night but only managed a half day. And he really was ill so they just did 245 pounds which i was still really pleased about.
So its not all about there earning potential but there ability to give there all and try there hardest. When most lads with a sniffle would let you down, so i think i really have struck gold and not just in the monetry sense.
2 brilliant lads and i will look after them. One of them may even be partner material. Who knows.
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partner material? ooh errr!
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partner material? ooh errr!
???
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partner material? ooh errr!
dont go down the partner route ;)
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partner material my arse , why have a partner when you are doing as good as you say . partners are 50% split . so if you earn as much as you say by employing whats the point in making one of your workers a partner ? ? ? ?
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partner material? ooh errr!
dont go down the partner route ;)
I know i was just thinking out loud. I had a chap who worked for me offered me 30k for a patnership at 60/40 in my favour. It was quite flattering and it was when my business wasnt as big as it is now.
Ive heard alot of horror stories with partners that buy into a business. Most times someone gets screwed.
Im happy as i am.
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There must be someone who lives near JDMarco to confirm he is actually a window cleaner and has these lads with him.
Until then I think its a load of Bolloks........altho highly amusing.
Bob
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£30k? ;D
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If this keeps up i`ll really look after them,you better up that 50 a day then.
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Well, I'm intrigued by all this. That's one hell of an income.
I too would like a day out with you to see how it's done. With most of my work in Llandudno, I'm only 25 miles away.
I will come on here and give a totally honest appraisal of your efforts.
Are you up for that? Dai
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Well, I'm intrigued by all this. That's one hell of an income.
I too would like a day out with you to see how it's done. With most of my work in Llandudno, I'm only 25 miles away.
I will come on here and give a totally honest appraisal of your efforts.
Are you up for that? Dai
It would be interesting to find out if the claims are true if so i think i have a lot to learn from him and would be very interested in how these figures are attained if they are untrue the joke is on us
Dean
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Yeah, go on Dai.
Do some detective work.
Pretend you're Boon. ;D
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These figures would only be acheived by experienced WCS,for lads that are new to the job half this amount your talking about would be hard to do.
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WE WANT DAI WE WANT DAI WE WANT DAI
cmon Dai, get over there and end it for once and all.
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There must be someone who lives near JDMarco to confirm he is actually a window cleaner and has these lads with him.
Until then I think its a load of Bolloks........altho highly amusing.
Bob
i agree bob, it's a bit like the sunday sport, a load of cr*p but never the less highly entertaining ;D
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I've come to the conclusion that jdemarco is a troll. Everything he says is just a big wind-up!
Andy
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JDM =TAXMAN ???
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JDM =TAXMAN Huh
Very possible... :-*
Andy
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I think the whole 30k thing is well within reach. However, i DO think that Mr DeMarco's posts reek of something i last smelt when i worked in a care home...
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JD
First off, happy birthday to me.
Where are you based?
How long have you been running?
What's your company name?
Would you be willing for me to tag along for a day or two?
Thanks
Kwacks
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JD
First off, happy birthday to me.
Where are you based?
How long have you been running?
What's your company name?
Would you be willing for me to tag along for a day or two?
Thanks
Kwacks
Happy Birthday m8.
time for bed I think early start in the morning
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60 houses a day and you pay them what £55 a day. They must feel chuffed to bits that each house earns them less than a quid.
Any jobs going fAgin
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60 houses a day and you pay them what £55 a day. They must feel chuffed to bits that each house earns them less than a quid.
Any jobs going f*gin
lol
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This thread is all a bit of a laugh but if the taxman is reading this he's gonna get the impression that all w/cs earn £75k + a year and start wondering if other w/cs are being kosher when they put in their £25k tax return.
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I have no doubt that some rounds have been built well and groomed over a number of years to produce very good yields but perhaps some of the number presented here are very 'wishful' thinking.
I personally see no reason why resonable well paid domestic work cannot yield 25-30 quid per 5 or 6 hours a day, 5 days a week but and here is the but....can this be built quickly from scratch?....I do not believe so...like a farmer, we have to tend our patches, weed, constantly watch, sow, weed, harvest, weed....and protect our investments from various parasites....(beer money brigade :-)
Some numbers here seem woefully low and then again some to be pure fiction...there has to be a middle ground here somewhere and reading between the lines is where we'll all find it.
Dave.
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This thread is all a bit of a laugh but if the taxman is reading this he's gonna get the impression that all w/cs earn £75k + a year and start wondering if other w/cs are being kosher when they put in their £25k tax return.
Of course the taxman wouldn't think that because of one person.
He's more likely to think window cleaners are full of wind. ;D
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This thread is all a bit of a laugh but if the taxman is reading this he's gonna get the impression that all w/cs earn £75k + a year and start wondering if other w/cs are being kosher when they put in their £25k tax return.
Of course the taxman wouldn't think that because of one person.
He's more likely to think window cleaners are full of wind. ;D
Yeah but it's not just the one person....
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Ridicule all you want, but i know who is laughing all the way to the bank,
Dave
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Well, I'm intrigued by all this. That's one hell of an income.
I too would like a day out with you to see how it's done. With most of my work in Llandudno, I'm only 25 miles away.
I will come on here and give a totally honest appraisal of your efforts.
Are you up for that? Dai
Dai has been on here for ages, we know he is the real deal, lets hope JD will let him go along with him for a day.
99% don't believe half of what JD says, this would be the perfect opportunity for him to shut us up and make us all eat humble pie :-X
If the figures pan out out, and his prices are not extortionate then as said, we could all learn a lot from him.
There are days when I work long hours for a window cleaner, I can be out for 6am and not finish until 5pm, yesterday (Thursday) was a case in point, but I did have an hour and a half off at lunchtime - a timing thing - and my turn over was £321. But to achieve that there were 2 accounts totaling £170 that were done in an hour and a half. And this particular day only comes around once a month.
Was all commercial work (shops, so a lot of time also spent collecting)
I am well aware that very good figures can be achieved.
And figures in access of £200 per day on domestic work are also more than achievable....but it takes years to build up a round of that quality, particularly if you are doing those figures day in and day out.
But for two guys on their first day working together to achieve £500+ takes some believing.
So come on JD, take up Dai's offer and let him tag along....
Ridicule all you want, but i know who is laughing all the way to the bank,
Dave
Let's see if Dave is right...
Ian
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Well, I'm intrigued by all this. That's one hell of an income.
I too would like a day out with you to see how it's done. With most of my work in Llandudno, I'm only 25 miles away.
I will come on here and give a totally honest appraisal of your efforts.
Are you up for that? Dai
Dai has been on here for ages, we know he is the real deal, lets hope JD will let him go along with him for a day.
99% don't believe half of what JD says, this would be the perfect opportunity for him to shut us up and make us all eat humble pie :-X
If the figures pan out out, and his prices are not extortionate then as said, we could all learn a lot from him.
There are days when I work long hours for a window cleaner, I can be out for 6am and not finish until 5pm, yesterday (Thursday) was a case in point, but I did have an hour and a half off at lunchtime - a timing thing - and my turn over was £321. But to achieve that there were 2 accounts totaling £170 that were done in an hour and a half. And this particular day only comes around once a month.
Was all commercial work (shops, so a lot of time also spent collecting)
I am well aware that very good figures can be achieved.
And figures in access of £200 per day on domestic work are also more than achievable....but it takes years to build up a round of that quality, particularly if you are doing those figures day in and day out.
But for two guys on their first day working together to achieve £500+ takes some believing.
So come on JD, take up Dai's offer and let him tag along....
Ridicule all you want, but i know who is laughing all the way to the bank,
Dave
Let's see if Dave is right...
Ian
You seem to have found it the way I have Ian. I can top £300 on my best day which comes around once every 6 weeks. I do a number of £200ers as well. I could do the high 100s and a few more 200 if I had a fuller workload but there are still many days where I'm below £100. If I compressed all the work together I doubt I would ever take less than £150 in a day (except for left over work on the last day of the compressed work). However, to compress the work it would mean delaying some of it a week or two and I don't want to do that. I prefer to do some half days and do some leafletting in the afternoons instead.
Now the daylight is a bit shorter and some morning freeze-ups, I may have to start splitting the £300er anyway.
There's no way I could have achieved those sort of figures in the first few months though. Also, I could not really get past £200 when I worked trad. It sounds like I'm earning loads. I'm not. The shorter and the zero days are still littering my round but I'm gradually starting to fill them more and more.
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JD's posts are designed to cause arguments just go back through them. In one post he's turning over £104k in another it's about £65k the guy forgets himself and is either still at school or not even a windowcleaner. He's sitting back laughing his socks off genuine or not. ;)
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JD's posts are designed to cause arguments just go back through them. In one post he's turning over £104k in another it's about £65k the guy forgets himself and is either still at school or not even a windowcleaner. He's sitting back laughing his socks off genuine or not. ;)
I am laughing my socke off but just at your comments. It might sound like im contradicting myself but im not the 104k was including 2k of work that i was buying that i didnt get. You just have to read them properly. Dai if you want to come along with me for a day your more than welcome. I know a lad that cleans in llandudno for a window cleaner his name is Ashley Girdlestone. Do you know him? You do realise though that if you come along with me what you learn from me will be priceless. But at the same time alot of your earning potential is down to you as an individual, I can give you my knowledge but i cant change the way you work and that might be the reason i can earn so much. Over to you mate!
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I am enjoying this post it's better than Easdtenders, your ball Dai ;D
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"Calm down guys!
Honestly i earn 550 pounds on average, myself and another lad and he gets 50 pounds a day. On my own im hitting between 350 to 400 pounds a day. my business turns over 8000 pounds a month. A year working 4 weekly i turnover 104,000 pounds and i can achieve this weather permitting in 3 1/2 days and i also have a trick up my sleeve to fill up the spare days with the same customers and increase my annual turnover by thousands and its not by increasing the price or any extras like facia cleans or con roofs or even selling my body.... so simple if you can get away with it and where i live you can. Doesnt bother me if no one believes even my brother doesnt and hes a window cleaner too."
So what was that post all about? You wrote it remember?
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Lol if your earning that sort of money why or why you canvassing like mad?
And have you heard PAY PEANUTS GET MONKEYS.
Let us know how there getting on in a months time
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JD - Is your brothers name Paul?
Andy
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"At the moment its 6000 pounds a month. Picked up a few more last week and lost a couple this week so poss just over 6 grand. I didnt get the extra work i was after that went to a chap who used to work with me, wasnt much good then cant imagine hes any better now, another hit and miss. but now have alot more time for canvassing the whole of Anglesey and then into north wales main land"
And this one? I can't make head nor tail of any of this post. So the two thousand pounds worth of work you didn't get would take your earnings from £72k to104k on a four week cycle?
Thats nothing i'm turning over 200k a year with all the work i haven't got too! ???
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The only place JD will end up working flat out (leading by example), working all the hours of the day is 6 feet under in a coffin.
To JD, take some time out from work or reduce your working hours to enjoy more of your one and only life of existence and to share it with someone special.
I'd rather be content knowing I've earn't enough to pay all my bills and put some funds away for an emergency or rainy day and enjoy life whilst I'm still young. You can't take your money with you when you snuff it. Work to live, not live to work :)
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Moneys not everything,said the poor man LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I am enjoying this post it's better than Easdtenders
I would not go that far :o
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The only place JD will end up working flat out (leading by example), working all the hours of the day is 6 feet under in a coffin.
To JD, take some time out from work or reduce your working hours to enjoy more of your one and only life of existence and to share it with someone special.
I'd rather be content knowing I've earn't enough to pay all my bills and put some funds away for an emergency or rainy day and enjoy life whilst I'm still young. You can't take your money with you when you snuff it. Work to live, not live to work :)
I work for my kids future and my wifes hair dressers bill
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"Calm down guys!
Honestly i earn 550 pounds on average, myself and another lad and he gets 50 pounds a day. On my own im hitting between 350 to 400 pounds a day. my business turns over 8000 pounds a month. A year working 4 weekly i turnover 104,000 pounds and i can achieve this weather permitting in 3 1/2 days and i also have a trick up my sleeve to fill up the spare days with the same customers and increase my annual turnover by thousands and its not by increasing the price or any extras like facia cleans or con roofs or even selling my body.... so simple if you can get away with it and where i live you can. Doesnt bother me if no one believes even my brother doesnt and hes a window cleaner too."
So what was that post all about? You wrote it remember?
Yeh i remember. That was with the extra 2k of work that i was convinced that i would get...but didnt. So ok ill hold my hands up i shouldnt have adding that work on my total but i thought it was in the bag. JD - Is your brothers name Paul?
Andy
Yeh paul demarco. Do you know him?"At the moment its 6000 pounds a month. Picked up a few more last week and lost a couple this week so poss just over 6 grand. I didnt get the extra work i was after that went to a chap who used to work with me, wasnt much good then cant imagine hes any better now, another hit and miss. but now have alot more time for canvassing the whole of Anglesey and then into north wales main land"
And this one? I can't make head nor tail of any of this post. So the two thousand pounds worth of work you didn't get would take your earnings from £72k to104k on a four week cycle?
Yeh thats right.The only place JD will end up working flat out (leading by example), working all the hours of the day is 6 feet under in a coffin.
To JD, take some time out from work or reduce your working hours to enjoy more of your one and only life of existence and to share it with someone special.
I'd rather be content knowing I've earn't enough to pay all my bills and put some funds away for an emergency or rainy day and enjoy life whilst I'm still young. You can't take your money with you when you snuff it. Work to live, not live to work :)
But thats just it i dont feel im working flat out.at all the work i do is still really part time. Not including my office work or any days i canvass thats just part of running a business. I wanna work hard now so when im unable to work for whatever reason i will have a well established business. My aim by january/february is to be retired from the cleaning side and be a full time canvasser and manager of my business. I enjoy what im doing if i didnt i would take time off but why stop it if you love it.
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Jdemarco. Email me at daihutton@aol.com. Dai
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I feel that if these young guys are doing that amount of work in a day, then they can not be doing a good job. Therefore you are ripping off your customers. Don't forget they have to work and pay taxes in order to pay for a window claener. I hope you don't sleep well at night.
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I think JD shot Jill Dando. ;)
tony
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I think JD shot Jill Dando. ;)
tony
Well, I do have some good qualities, i know how to end a massive discusion! ;D
tony
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I think JD shot Jill Dando. ;)
tony
Well, I do have some good qualities, i know how to end a massive discusion! ;D
tony
lol at the last post not about the other :o suprised thats not been deleted yet.