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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: spicnspan the cleaning man on November 10, 2007, 05:33:36 am
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Hi looking to buy used truck mount any one out there help me out
Tony ;D
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You'd be very lucky to find a used TM that has no problems, and if you have had no experiance maintaining them before, you soon will have!
Ask at the dealers as they are the ones getting the trade ins as people upgrade, and usually will give a shorth warrenty on a 2nd hand machine, and don't be scared to start small, you don't need a triple wand carpet shagger to start with. Because it's quite a jump up from a electric machine to a TM remember the most power you can get out of a 13amp socket is 3120watts I think my 13hp Tm is about the smallest machine and that develops 8200 watts at 80% of revs. then you can go up to 50+ hp.
And most importantly you need to look after them, it's not a simple electirc moter and a pump like a portable. There are valves, belt, couplings and all sorts you need to get to know and look after, unless you live near a supplier then it easy, get them to do it.
Hope that helps or at least give you some food for though.
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Paul,
I thought one of the benefits of the Prowler is easy maintenance compared to other t/m, is that right?
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Blimey Paul thats enough to put anyone off. I'm selling my T/M now and buying a vax!
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Depends on who has had the TM in the first place and looked after it to how and when it will break down! but I'd say the most reliable are HMaster and realistically the Prowler as they are the simplist (bit like Paul ;D) but if you want a 2nd hand machine you will pay a 2nd hand price so you can't expect it to last forever, saying that all of the gremlins will have emigrated from it.
Shaun
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Paul,
I thought one of the benefits of the Prowler is easy maintenance compared to other t/m, is that right?
piece of cake to maintain, doesn't need a lot of fixing either
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Paul,
I thought one of the benefits of the Prowler is easy maintenance compared to other t/m, is that right?
piece of cake to maintain, doesn't need a lot of fixing either
>:( ;)
With the prowler it is easy to maintain no fancy switches or circuits to go wrong even when it does go wrong you can still continue with the job
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Blimey Paul thats enough to put anyone off. I'm selling my T/M now and buying a vax!
there you go spicknspancarpets theres one for sale.
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Thats why I like the Panther truckmounts, easy to use and maintain, lots of power and a good price :D
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paul how long would it take to replace the blower & pump belts?
Mike
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Why
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because you say its; 'easy to use and maintain' I consider changing belts to be the main 'maintenance' thing you would have to do on a T/M so I was interested in how long it takes
as a comparison I remember having a blazer ( or Cub can't remember) and it was a 3 hour job to change the pump belt. also to change the pump belt on a Chemspec machine is a day job!!
Mike
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Mike weather it takes 1 hour or 3 hours what difference does that make. Its not like you have to change them every week, i 12 months I have not had to do it once . Really its not relevent. You do what you have to do on any machine as it happens.
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paul how long would it take to replace the blower & pump belts?
Mike
Took Paul King no more than half an hour to change mine
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Steve, you should be doing it your self by now ::)
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Steve, you should be doing it your self by now ::)
Why keep a dog and bark yourself ;D ;)
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Gunny
Van will do it for you at only 5 - 1 ;D
He seems to have disapeared after the last result ;D
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Paul is changing the belts on a panther a bit of a sore point for Panther owners? ::) ::)
I was genuinely interested how the belts were configured on the Panther, I've never had a chance to look inside one.
obviously its not a 5 minute job or you would have answered with a smidgen of politeness ;)
Mike
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"You'd be very lucky to find a used TM that has no problems, and if you have had no experiance maintaining them before, you soon will have!
Ask at the dealers as they are the ones getting the trade ins as people upgrade, and usually will give a shorth warrenty on a 2nd hand machine, and don't be scared to start small,"
I have to disagree-I've had TM's from prochem and Hydramaster since 2001 and had very few problems. As regards dealers Hydramaster are the only distributors who will take trade ins- that should tell you a lot and in addition they offer(I believe) a 12 month warranty on the used machines they sell, it's called confidence in the product. You wouldn't have to be lucky to buy a used TM you would have to buy the right product from a trustworthy person-in other words it's no different from buying anything else!
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Paul is changing the belts on a panther a bit of a sore point for Panther owners? ::) ::)
I was genuinely interested how the belts were configured on the Panther, I've never had a chance to look inside one.
obviously its not a 5 minute job or you would have answered with a smidgen of politeness ;)
Mike
Hi Mike
To change the belt on the panther is an awkward job, taking prob an hour or two.
BUT, the secret is to place a spare belt ( or 2) in next to the water pump ( held out of the way with tie straps). So when the belt breaks, all you have to do is loosen 4 bolts, and slide the new belt into place. This is a 15 min job.
cheers
Chris
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how often should you change the belts?
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when they break ;) ;)
if you keep an eye on them until you see any cracks or splits they should last ages (2-3yrs)
I keep meaning to ask on the American forums why the don't use a singe belt to drive both, this would stop you having to take off the corresponding belt to change the snapped one
Mike
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paul how long would it take to replace the blower & pump belts?
Mike
Took me a hour the first time i did it. Now it takes 1/2 hour to do now max, you only need a 10mm spanner or socket and a pair of leather gloves they just spin on, yes i know thats not the right way to do it but they still last about 8-16 months doing it that way, and you don't have to reset the blower and pump alingment, which would take another 1/2hour, and now I just change them every 6 mths because their cheap to replace.
Would say the drive belts are about the weakest part of the whole machine, but they are cheap and simple and easy fixed, know a few people have had nightmares with flexable drives, which make me wonder if theres a rigt way to do it at all.
Mike know your very handy with a spanner so would think you could do it in the same time easily. Best bit is you can take it off the van and inside and work in the warm and dry.
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Steve, you should be doing it your self by now ::)
Why keep a dog and bark yourself ;D ;)
woof!
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Hi Mike,
I run a crossfire 4.7 and a belt change would take me approx half an hour for the pump and an hour for the blower/vac.
The first one to normally go is the Blower/Vac and I expect approx 1 years run from it.
Tony
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tony if the blower belt goes do you have to take off the pump belt as well or visa-versa
Mike
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"You'd be very lucky to find a used TM that has no problems, and if you have had no experiance maintaining them before, you soon will have!
Ask at the dealers as they are the ones getting the trade ins as people upgrade, and usually will give a shorth warrenty on a 2nd hand machine, and don't be scared to start small,"
I have to disagree-I've had TM's from prochem and Hydramaster since 2001 and had very few problems. As regards dealers Hydramaster are the only distributors who will take trade ins- that should tell you a lot and in addition they offer(I believe) a 12 month warranty on the used machines they sell, it's called confidence in the product. You wouldn't have to be lucky to buy a used TM you would have to buy the right product from a trustworthy person-in other words it's no different from buying anything else!
Dave i think you need to re-read my post I WAS recomending that he go to a dealers as well, and especially a dealer that will give a warrenty, I've bough 4 Tm's and seen many more 2 nd hand and a lot of people are seling old and shorth life kit, and though it best to make spiknspan aware of this.
Seams we both think the same but you have to disagree, I'm confused! Mind you it does'nt take much these days!
P.s Restormate take trade ins as well
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my mate just bought the woodbridge Hercules that was for sale a few weeks ago on the boards & eBay he paid £850 for the machine, tanks, hose reel... everything
IT WAS THE BARGAIN OF THE CENTURY!! just the tanks & reels were worth the money he paid
we spent the day changing the drive coupling ( woodbridge obviously fitted the original blindfolded it was so misaligned) now its running a dream.
anyone who has one of these machines needs to check the silencer, this machine was fitted with a car silencer which only had a 1 inch exit port, so the blower was fitted with 3 inch piping that finished by trying to push all the air out of a 1 inch hole :o :o
mike
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that was cheap! how easy are those fenner couplings to line up? ( got a picture of one would be great)
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http://www.fptgroup.com/products/HRC_Coupling.asp top left corner, this is the size of an orange which will take 13hp
we used one the size of a small melon, which which will take50hp (cost £60)
very easy to align as you can sight down the joint from the top & side. it will take a small amount of misalignment
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Hi Mike,
Yes if the blower belt goes then you have to remove pump as well.
regards tony
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Paul is changing the belts on a panther a bit of a sore point for Panther owners? ::) ::)
I was genuinely interested how the belts were configured on the Panther, I've never had a chance to look inside one.
obviously its not a 5 minute job or you would have answered with a smidgen of politeness ;)
Mike
Mike my answer was short as I knew you already knew the answer to the question you were asking ;)
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anyone who has one of these machines needs to check the silencer, this machine was fitted with a car silencer which only had a 1 inch exit port, so the blower was fitted with 3 inch piping that finished by trying to push all the air out of a 1 inch hole :o :o
Mike did you find a solution to this. I have the same setup on my Hercules and wondered if it was effecting performance. Is the silencer neccesary? Could I just have a 3' hose venting from tjhe blower.
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yea if you don't want eardrums!! it is very loud without a silencer
he cut his off and is fitting another. one off a tractor which is a straight blow-through, it has less air restrictions
Mike
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prodry,
you could try taking the silencer off & replacing it with a cherry bomb car silencer. Ive used these on a HM Crossfire 4.2 and it worked a treat.
Richie.
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I dont think the panther uses a belt for the blower ?
I was told by woodbridge the only belt is the one for the water pump ?
But,,,,,,,,,,i am still learning ;D
Truckmounts are scary things until you get to know them. :o
But the amount of vac motors and pumps that i had to replace on my portables :(
My panther just runs and runs ( i hope) :-[
Next step is LPG, get the the running costs down from £40 per week to £25.
regards
Chris
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I dont think the panther uses a belt for the blower ?
I was told by woodbridge the only belt is the one for the water pump ?
Correct Chris,
The only belt on the panther is for the water pump. The blower is directly driven from the engine, so the faster you run the engine the more vacuum you get.
I'm also upgrading to lpg asap. My running costs on unleaded are between £10-£20 a day, can be halved using lpg. Woodbridge quoted me £300 for the conversion so should recoup costs in a couple of months!
Kind regards,
Jason.
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Mike,
the Exaust is now fitted, big difference cant hear it now ;)
Infact it was suggested to wrap with insulation to muffle a little more ,and it does take a little more noise out, it also stops any vibration noise.so pleased so far, thanks for the exaust which i believe was of a M/F 35 so i was informed ;) :)
Geoff
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Jas give us an update after a few months , as I am also thinking of changing to gas.
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believe was of a M/F 35 so i was informed ;) :)
Do you mean off a MF35 Ferguson Tractor.
Michael
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yes, A Massy Ferguson,
Geoff
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Michael, yep MF I think stands for Massey Ferguson.
but Geoff only fitted this one because he's a cheapskate and this silencer was just in my shed so he got it for free :D :D
I would fit a bigger one, I use a DAF truck silencer which has 3 inch inlet & outlet, much quieter
you can get a 2.5inch twin exhaust connection which is used on a motor bike which goes from 2.5inch into 2 x 1.5inch ports. if you use this you can run radiator hose to 2 separate car exhausts in parallel, which will make your machine nice and quiet without restricting the air flow
Mike
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Mike I used to think Davey Ingram had all the short cuts and tricks, but you seem to be experimenting the most out of every one these days :o you must have more time these days :) how is that shed ( alladins cave )of yours these days.
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my sheds getting rediculous ::) cfr wands, handtools, airmovers, rotories, orecks, powerwashers, P/DBlowers pumps etc..etc
I'm going to have a sale soon. or might shove it all on ebay.
Mike
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He ain't done the scrap yard challenge and built one that runs on electric yet Paul ;) Speaking of which watch this space as Arny use to say I'll be back. :o
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Welcome again! like a bad penny ;D
Shaun
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Thats me Sheffield, you carn't keep a good man down one or two have tried
You need some one to follow into the poor house so why not it be me :P
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Dave I'm using a diesel-petrol-electric hybred at the moment :D :D
diesel burner, 18hp kholer turning a 56 blower @ 1750rpm and a electric motor driving that Hypro pump you gave me years ago. works a dream :)
Mike
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Welcome back Dave ;D
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The world is now a better place :) :) :) :) :)
The return of thr prodical son ;)
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Got to tell you lads driving to the office every day past all those farm sheds on my way to Reading, made me realise it ain't the same working with the state of the art equipment. You carn't beat going to work with a roll of Duck tape and a ball of string not to mention a wing and a prayer.
Those were the days when you fired up your machine and bits flew off never to be found again, never knowing if you'd finish the day in one peice. But hey I sold that machine a few years ago.
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Mike the Hypro pump runs at 1750 RPM so why not run it of the Blower pulley? She takes over 70 deg temp so over heating will not be a problem
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wrong fitting, it doesnt have a shaft to fit a pulley, its the type to fit onto an electric motor. and I knew I'd need 240v electric to power the burner, so though I might as well use it.
I've carried it all ready to use on the van for about 4 years, just in case my truckmount pump belt snapped on a job.
Mike
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Hate to use the name Woodbridge but they use inverters to power the burners on their old machines 12volt to 240volt units
I know what you mean about the water pump shaft it has a sleave that the shaft of the motor fits into.