Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: gwrightson on November 08, 2007, 07:24:56 pm
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Can any body give me one good reason why, solution line cannot be threaded into your vac hose ?
i can think of a few benifits.
easier handling, no more tangling, more space , get rid of the solution reel, and I think quite an important benifit, if you are unfortunate to have a burst line. no more hot water spurting out over the custys furnishings.
geoff
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what?
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read slowly, its not criptic ;D
Geoff
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you need to start, taking more tablets per hour m8
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any body got a reasonable responce?
Im beggining to worry about william hills favorite punter! :-\
Geoff
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Apart from reducing the width of the vac hose (albeit slightly), and therefore reducing the efficiency, you will be cooling down the solution hose with the rush of air from the vac's (when idle) - reducing the heat in the pipe (if you use heat). IMO.
Cant think of anything else as to why not... ???
Kev
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Kev,
sensible response :) yes ,I would suggest that the difference would be hardly noticable in vac power, as for heat again if you have plenty of heat in the first place , there will be no difference
Geoff
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makes as much sense as me losing my nut on ther gamebarca v bolton'
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Geoff, under pressure, suction, the vac hose shrinks albeit silghtly making it if nothing else awkward.
The couplings of the solution line will "snag" fluff or the like causing a restriction of air flow as well as has been said the fact that the hose will by nature restrict it anyway.
Adding that you will now have to lug around a heavy awkward double hose.
When you have to shorten your hose run during the job it will be yet another problem to deal with.
A solution hose will have a different return coil to that of the vac hose again causing a problem.
Lastly, the solution hose and vac hose are by design to be separated in use.
Each to their own but I would suggest against doing it.
I as I think most use a hide a hose for upholstery cleaning. As much as this is a good idea and I think almost essential it gives you an idea of what a nightmare cleaning a carpet would be with a hide a hose system.
Best, Dave.
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It's actualy quite heavy as well, tried it.
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Dave,
again thank you for an answer that has some standing, and the snagging has entered my thoughts.
Do you really think that snagging would be a problem on a 2 inch vac hose? I personaly cant see it , but do take your thoughts on board.
I see no difference to worry about regarding the recoiling, after all the line itself surley will sit happilly inside.
I cant quite grasp the answer regarding the shortening of your hose run , as hose and line would be identical lengths I cant see a problem.
I am considering doing this, hence asking for opinions and facts.
so thanks again Dave, your thoughts have been digested
Geoff
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i have a cfr spotting machine and its solution hose runs inside the vac hose, but it is only a very thin weak solution hose that only feeds 55psi but i suppose it would work just the same with larger solution hose.
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im trying this at the min as i find it hard with two pipes and a wand thats only half a foot bigger then me , theres very little drop on the vacs but if your worried about this then 2.5 inc vac hose would sort this 8)
as for heat loss well theres no diffents in hideing hoses then putting them down on the frosty floor i bet ?? and trust me when there pushing 400 psi the water wont have time to cool that much
as for snaging it doesnt happen that much , ive used hide a hose on portys for years and its ok and if your one of these people that per vac befour each job the theres no issure there
just think no more ironing of carpets and theres only one hose to keep clean !!
im still trying it out at the min, to see how it goes but works for me so far
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other points in its favour, no worrying about scorching and clean line, especially this time of year
I am leaning towards the line inside :-\
Geoff
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Cooling will depend on how many lengths of vac hose you put together but my CFR hand tool collects fluff all the time so I have to keep cutting it off just a hassle more than anything but you will reduce your air flow considerably.
Shaun
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Geoff, with regards the hoses being the same size. This is only the case when they arent being used. When the vac hose is being used it shrinks back a little.
If for example you lay out 300 feet or 200 feet of hose(s) when the machine is running you then pick up the wand the vac hose will shrink back to the point it wont reach where it was intended to do so. Obviously if you were going to use a hide a hose then you would take this in to consideration but you get my point.
The natural coil on a solution hose is considerably smaller than that of a vac hose. Accordingly I think this will also cause a problem.
My thoughts too and just my thoughts are that the solution line is not designed to have continual flow of whatever comes back the vac hose passing over it.
If you were going to use this for tile cleaning too you would then coat the solution hose and couplings with all sorts of sludge. No different with using this system for carpet cleaning.
I know a few people who have tried this way of cleaning and have all resorted back to the proper way.
Again, each to their own.
Best, Dave
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What happens if the hose bursts under pressure? that means you will have to renew all of the solution line and thread it through the holes (tedious) or if you get a small hole it will drain your solution tank without you knowing.
Shaun
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well I am getting a clearer picture now,
Shaun , would you not have to replace the line any way if it burst ? cant see what differnce that makes!
alot less hassle burting inside than over a custys polished table
Geoff .infact i might put up a vote to make me decide
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If you get a leak then you just cut the pipe shorter and get the QC fitted, you can't do that with internal as it has to be the same length as the vac hose, as for bursting a wetting everywhere I've never had it happen like that but it's a no win situation.
Shaun
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The idea is fine, for a shortish length, maybe the last 10 feet, from the tool end. The weight is already there, so it's not an issue, but snagging will happen.
Tried this out many years ago and only stuck with it for upholstery cleaning, but it makes stair cleaning easier, also.
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Why not ask your supplier to make you up a 15m hide a hose and test it out to see how it performs.
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Two thoughts to add to the discussion.
My upholstery attachment runs the solution hose inside. I find it's neater and tidier with less of a tangle factor. Obviously with upholstery many of the other factors being discussed are not relevant.
When dealing with floods it always seems "decadent" not having to attach the solution hose.
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if you use a hidey-hose it makes it cumbersome to use a Hydraforce.
I'd make up a 50ft length and use that in the house, outside stay separate.
or why not just tie-wrap the solution line onto the vac hose.
Mike
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well you could have suggested that yesterday ;)
geoff
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http://www.amtechuk.biz/hoses.php
The hide a hose has been done,click above.
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I have seen cable ties combining the two hoses before with damaging results.
The ties can and will do damage beyond repair to some if not all carpets. They can also snag wood floors, corners and just about anything.
The same also applies with regards the coiling of a solution hose that dosnt move when it is being used and a vac hose that moves considerably when it is being used.
Not forgetting it will gouge a big lump of skin from your legs if it catches badly. Well at least for those of us who wear shorts.
Best, Dave.
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This is the way the extracta hoses are set up, solution hose tie wrapped to the outside of the vac hose, works well, in 5 years I've never had any problems with any of the above
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I once thought of using bike inner tube, cut into 3inch lengths, so you have a circular piece of rubber, then stretch & feed it onto the vac hose & solution line, it will hold it snug and not snag anything.
Mike
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Amtech hoses look excellent. The thing to remember when using the " hide a hose "configuration, is to ALWAYS make sure the solution hose is connected to the tool before turning on the vacuum.
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Rob, why? Its not going to suck the solution hose back down the hose. If it does then another reason why not to do it but again it wont. Also, what would you do when you have to change wands?
Best, Dave
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When changing wands I would always turn off the power to both vac and solution, otherwise it would be impossible to attach the solution hose.
I found the solution hose problem many years ago, which could only be explained by the vacuum, as it never happened when switched off
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Rob, thanks for the reply but I am not sure what the second sentance means, sorry. With regards your solution hose, might I suggest an on/off valve. That way you dont have to turn it all off to change a wand.
Also without a valve how do you bleed the hoses before you start each job?
Best, Dave.
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We tried the idea of the solution hose inside the vac hose with the TM. The drop in temp was unbelievable. So that idea got undone straight away.
Richie.