Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: P®oPole™ on October 30, 2007, 08:20:38 pm
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What would you charge for these roof/walk-way cover. It needs a cherry picker and is a one off.
I told them it will be pricey ;) and Im not to fussed about getting this one or not
Pic One South roof,
Price for outside, Price for both inside and out?
Pic two North roof,
Price for outside, Price for both inside and out?
Thanks
Pro
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How bad they are :o (North roof)
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if its the one in hoddesdon it got to be £3000 -£4000 easy hope this helps
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I couldn`t give you a price without seeing it in the flesh,the insides would be a neck breaker and there never ending by the looks of it.Inside and out of that would be mega money.
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outside could be done from of the roof using wfp easy just like brushing a floor insides not a problem either a small scissor lift and done traditional the odd one you will need an extension pole where scissor lift cant get to. It will cost you about £220 for the scissor lift and a very easy day for 2 men so i would say about £600 and round here someone would still do it cheaper.
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Martin,
I was thinking somewere in the middle of what you said. Got to cover yourself for the unforseen, haven't you!
Good to see you the other day
Regards
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Trevor,
The job cant be wfp'd because the box gutters get in the way, the glass is so bad and they dont want hose's and water near the shoppers.
I wouldnt even consider the job at that price. I wont get on a cherry picker for under four figures, its not worth the hassle and worry.
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propole you wont get on a cherrypicker for under four figures then i am surprised you have ever used one because no one round my way would pay four figures for an operator, the job could be done early morning to avoid shoppers and areas coned off and looking at pictures i still think it could be wfp but spray with tfr first , may be you should not bother going for the job and leave it to someone who thinks they can manage it but it may be worth just keeping an eye out for who does the job and see how they do it and time taken etc you might learn something.
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You dont know what your talking about trevor, things are done differntly down here!
Get the job or not I dont care! I dont give a monkeys for a one off hassle job, I already have a very nice and extensive portfolio that most would envy so get down of your high horse, pick your toys back up and get in the real world. We all have bad days but this is a w/c forum not a playground, alright!!
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not getting in an argument with you propole but i could easily manage that job and do many similar i was trying to give you advice on how i would tackle it but as you already know it all i will bow to your better judgement ps have you a laddetr i can borrow to climb off my high horse as sliding down a pole is dangerous ;D
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50 p per running foot for the top
£1.00 per running foot underneath
Simple
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Why cant it be done wfp out of hours, I do a lot of similar jobs and start them when the shops have just closed, or do them on a Sunday.
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Trevor,
The job cant be wfp'd because the box gutters get in the way, the glass is so bad and they dont want hose's and water near the shoppers.
I wouldnt even consider the job at that price. I wont get on a cherry picker for under four figures, its not worth the hassle and worry.
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Under four figures who the hell you using i can get cherry picker with operater for under £600 no problem
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Rick,
I can get a picker for £150 + diesiel + VAT a day, I know a guy who owns a firm. 600 seems very steep :o
Was that you I met the other week, Pegasus House, Crossbrook Street.
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A few things about this job, it has to be done in two stages south and north therefore two days picker hire.
The box gutters block access to the roof with wfp from the ground therefore it could only cleaned from about two foot from the bottom of each pane leaving horrible green stuff all the way along. Get the ladders out and stand in the box gutters you say, no ladders allowed.
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a couple of things propole are these the box gutters that i've highlighted?
If so would a deep swan neck not reach over them at an angle giving you the height to get over them from the ground? they don't look that deep??
if not i would use a scaff tower or picker, a scaff tower if working at a consistent height as its a lot cheaper, and it wouldn't take 2 guys no longer than 8 hours work.
we done one similar but ours was more green than that, at least you can see a bit of daylight through them windows our ones you couldn't.
it would be a lot easier to get above them to clean, you can see what your doing properly and that you can make sure all the algae would be flushed away properly. the undersides will probably be no where near as bad. start at 5 in the morning on a sunday have that cracked out by 1, if to many shoppers about, 2 sundays 5am till 9am.
£600- £700 if one day, if two days incur the cost of the plant hire
thats how i would clean this
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spot on nat and described well but i am sure propole will pick a fault with your method , if he is not confident he can do the job then i suggest he should leave it alone , this isnt a slur on his reputation or the work he already does but sometimes it is better to decline work rather than take it on and overprice giving yourself a bad reputation.
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surely its about doing the job effectivly and safely? if you have no experience with this kind of work then there is no time like the present to learn is there? ;)
I don't know what anyone else would charge but when i first took on a job like this i didn't really know what to charge? but as you take on more and more difficult jobs you can see where you can price effectively in order to make a good mint but also get the job as well.
I don't think the above job looks very daunting at all, if the owners or management were telling me when and how to do the job and making it difficult i would simply point out the easiest, quickest and safest method. they will get a good job done at a resonable price and i'd be quids in!! ;D
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nat,
Yes mate they are the box gutters you pointed out, they are very very deep you would need a goose neck like an upside down v to get down the full length of the pane.
That price and estimated time scale would be about right with a straight foward wfp job
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spot on nat and described well but i am sure propole will pick a fault with your method , if he is not confident he can do the job then i suggest he should leave it alone , this isnt a slur on his reputation or the work he already does but sometimes it is better to decline work rather than take it on and overprice giving yourself a bad reputation.
Trevor,
I'm affraid its your inexperience thats evident, you haven't even seen the job properly and somehow you will hire a scissor lift for "around £220" pay a mans wage and tax and still turn a profit with £600. I wouldnt want the hassle, might as well just do some domestics!
If it could be done with just a pole, early in the morning, one man, set cleaning frequency and no scissor lift then fair enought £600 is round about the money. However your way of the mark with those extra expenses.
Cant get on site till 8am, shoppers every were, work to be done over two days and its a One Hit Wonder
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Propole i couldn`t have put that better myself.
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NWH,
A man who knows what he's talking about ;)
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£600- 17.5% = £495
£495- £220+vat = £237
£237- a mans wage £80 = £157
£157 two get on a scissor lift and worry about if you will get the job done in a day, good luck is all I can say.
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i have been in this business since i was fifteen and am now 40 yrs old my dad started window cleaning in the 1950s and you talk about inexperience , i have a business that employs 17 staff and a good proffit margin i tried to share with you how i would tackle the job but instead you turn to abusing someone trying to help ???
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by the way the price would be £600+vat
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Trevor do you employ 17 window cleaners,if so you would be interesting to talk to.
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no not all window cleaners the most window cleaners i have employed is 9 and i find if yiu dont work with them then it can quickly go wrong most my staff now are employed powerwashing and one off cleans
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Well done trevor, you must be a very wealthy man to employ 17 men.
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What can go wrong Trevor,and you can`t work with them all.
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if you are cleaning large schools and universities it is possible to work along with a large team and the things that go wrong if your not working with them are standards drop ie not wiping sills proper on insides , missing windows general curtousy etc all these things if not monitored do lead to complaints.
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Do you find it better sending them out on there own,when i sent 2 out as a pair i found that the problems started.
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with the work i do we always work in a small team some outside and some doing ins but i guess it depends on what kind of work your doing and also finding a good foreman you can trust.
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Propole
there is obviously some miss guidance from the photos you are supplying, it really doesn't look difficult, you have seen it in the flesh so obviously you know what your talking about ::) if you know how to price the job then why ask the question? get on with it, price it, clean it, whatever, theres no need for all the school yard back biting!!
there sounds like some good experienced guys on here that help people along but you feel the need to try and put them down, there is no need for it, you will just rub people up the wrong way for no real reason and you make yourself just sound like an ass, this ain't a personal attack just an observation, think before you blink springs to mind!
sounds harsh but i think its true.
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At the end of the day we are here to help each other.
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you wouldn't believe that from reading this post NWH
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It`ll soon be christmas,Yippeeee. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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yes it will! ;) make sure you put your milk and cookies out for the red fat man ;D
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trevor were abouts in lancs and wot is the company name??
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office is based in preston but i live in blackburn the company name is T.perry comprehensive cleaning services Ltd
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hi ronnie i see you are based in manchester for many years we cleaned alot of the schools in manchester and we also used to do all the polytechnics but that was about twenty years ago.
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nat,
With reference to your post, I would like to point out that you should go back and read were the "school yard back biting" originated!
I think trevor will simply have to put this dissagrement down to the north and south divide. Apparently 2007 reports claim London is the most expensive place in the world to live, So no I would't get on a lift for £157.
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you have done well to have so many employees and your still young obvousley made your business very succesful!!
i know were to go for advice on trying to expand and employ.
I do some work in rossendale and bolton there close to you??
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in all fairness ronnie it was my father who started the business and although i have put alot of work in he has helped me avoid many mistakes i might have made if starting on my own . But we where definately a bit slow going wfp so missed some good opportunites in fact when we first saw wfp about ten years ago we bought one and sent it back a week later thinking it wouldnt catch on as we where getting loads of complaints.
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i started with my dad 2 but i earnt the way not to do things ;)
then 10 years later started on my own and went straight into WFP residentially and alough it gave me frustrating times i think it comes good with confidence.
its been two years now and things are going well but iwould like to get more commercail work and take that step of employin my first person but it seems quite difficult! i feel as though the only way to get some one reliable is to get some one full time(tried part time but useles) but how do you get to the point were you have enough work for two??(as one person cant do it) if you know wot i mean?? ???
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a good way is at first try and find another window cleaner who maybe wants an extra day a week it has got to be one you can trust when your again full to capacity take someone on part time it is a slow process and you will find it very frustrating sometimes as employees do let you down a lot untill you find the right ones but if you pay well and lead by example you can make it work.
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i started with my dad 2 but i earnt the way not to do things ;)
then 10 years later started on my own and went straight into WFP residentially and alough it gave me frustrating times i think it comes good with confidence.
its been two years now and things are going well but iwould like to get more commercail work and take that step of employin my first person but it seems quite difficult! i feel as though the only way to get some one reliable is to get some one full time(tried part time but useles) but how do you get to the point were you have enough work for two??(as one person cant do it) if you know wot i mean?? ???
ronnie, this is one of the resons I work a 4 to 6 week round, every customer is told from the start cleaning will be done within this time frame, when you work 6 weeks flat out you take someone on and drop back to 4 weeks or 3 and pick up more work. This is the way I did it at first then i bought other rounds etc, now back to 2 people working but with the same money as three
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The bloke who recently went ww, what were the circs? and what happens when you have the bad back?
I'm asking did you sack him-part friends- start on his own?
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ww bot a bad idea but my customers expect me almost like clock work and that realibility and proffesionalism (i think) is wot makes me stand out(my usp) dont really want to change my companies opinion!!good idea though!
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ww bot a bad idea but my customers expect me almost like clock work and that realibility and proffesionalism (i think) is wot makes me stand out(my usp) dont really want to change my companies opinion!!good idea though!
Ronnie, I run a professional company to m8, and reliable to (I did nt take it the wrong way) I just run it 4/6 weeks so I can gain more business and not let anyone down due to weather etc etc, main reason is to build business and still be reliable.
as to other post parted friends yes (and learnt that freinds and business is a no no, did they start up on their own yes (I found that out while they worked for me) I classed it as stealing from my family.
I see him yesterday and tried quote a new customer walking up to my van, I was washing van at the time with wfp so he got soaked head to toe and i got the job ;D.
When I have a bad back I send a guy out to do the work, normally only lasts a day or 2 (I am on painkillers for it so most of the time I just work through the pain till the weekend) some days it will get very bad and I take the day off, bonus of having staff ;)
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Good one WW i re-looked at your website and it has improved an awfull lot, I think you are a natural entrepreneur.
WFP seems to have re-ignited your enthusiasm and passion. Glad you gave him a good soaking, I'm sure you'll be mates again in a year or so.