Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: windowwashers on October 28, 2007, 04:06:55 pm
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wanted to find out who uses fan jets in the brush and those who uses pencil jets.
if there are others please do tell, feel free to add a reply ;)
guys it is not hard to press in a vote while your looking at the post ;).
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Its worth having a brush with fans for larger windows
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Its worth having a brush with fans for larger windows
is that to rinse quicker ?
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Just a minor technicality, you've got your voting choices worded wrong.
Should read:
Fan jets
Pencil jets
both types spray.
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Just a minor technicality, you've got your voting choices worded wrong.
Should read:
Fan jets
Pencil jets
both types spray.
theres always a smart ass :P cant change it now, :-[
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I'm fairly new ww and was given fan jets by cleantech so I didn't know any different.
I only got a pencil jet recently on an orange vikan.
The fan jets are better because they spread the water over the brush and glass. This is true even for rinseing.
Conclusion.
Fan jets by a country mile.
Just read on the other similar post about runs from vents- yes I do have occasional problems with this- but apart from that.
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IMO pencils are a must for accuracy if not cleaning the top frame ;)
tony
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i preffer pencil jects for 2 reasons 1th accuracy 2nd saves water as to get a good fan spray you have to turn your pressure up further than on pencil jets. :)
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I ordered a brush from cleantech and it had fan jets, thought I'd try them out.
When it arrived the water just sprayed into the brush. Tried to trim some of the bristles down a bit when one of the jets popped out. The holes on the brush head had been machined too large on the one side and at a crazy angle on the other, not impressed >:(
As I had already cut some of the bristles down I guess that I am stuck with it.
Will try and put the fan jets into one of my vikans and see the difference.
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Yes, they rinse big windows quick. They have amazing coverage. So for offices etc. Not for domestic as they aren't very accurate.. Just get a cheap brush with them in and keep it in the van. Nothing rinses like fans.
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it seems everyone is using pencil jets, is this because you have not tried fan jets? or is it because you dont like them?
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it seems everyone is using pencil jets, is this because you have not tried fan jets? or is it because you dont like them?
I use pencil jets. I've never tried fan jets. most of my work would require a degree of accuracy because I do mainly domestic so I'll stick with pencil jets for now.
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I use pencils on domestic, you can point them where ever. A fan jet is quite direct, but little bits of spray go everywhere - brickwork, vents etc. Pencils are controled. However, if you rinse ON the window, fans with good pressure (2ltr a min) create a kind of cushion hovercraft effect with the brush a makes rinsing a breeze. The bristles keep the spray in too. However, you do need to rinse ON, which needs higher pressure, which uses more water.
So pencils.
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I've used both, I prefer the needle jets as they operate better on a lower flowrate.
This means you can be more accurate, there is less splashing if you are holding off to rinse.
I do plenty of very big windows and don't really find much difference, though a fan jet with a good flow will certainly allow you to work quickly.
I almost never rinse off the glass myself, though there are times when it is essential.
Ian
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I've used both, I prefer the needle jets as they operate better on a lower flowrate.
This means you can be more accurate, there is less splashing if you are holding off to rinse.
I do plenty of very big windows and don't really find much difference, though a fan jet with a good flow will certainly allow you to work quickly.
I almost never rinse off the glass myself, though there are times when it is essential.
Ian
please add to the point you just made that you do not rinse off yourself please as I am confused by it and am guessing others will be also.
cheers
Ian
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ww, he does rinse off. He said he doesnt rinse off the glass, in other words holding the brush a few inches away while he rinses- known as rinseing off the glass.
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ww, he does rinse off. He said he doesnt rinse off the glass, in other words holding the brush a few inches away while he rinses- known as rinseing off the glass.
got ya on that one, but how id fans quicker, I have never used them and would like to know why, knowledge is power ;)
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it seems everyone is using pencil jets, is this because you have not tried fan jets? or is it because you dont like them?
I've used both & wouldn't go back to fans.
tony
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i've never used fans so can't comment. But i do like the accuracy of pencil jets. I can't say i've never had a problem with vents, but i have never noticed or been told about any.
For me, the key to not rinsing (apart from flaky paint work) is having a clean brush and a high flow rate.
If there are no cobwebs i find i don't need to rinse. Although its only been the last 3 months or so that i have had the balls to actually do this. Wish i'd tried it sooner.
I find that my water goes further nowadays as well. Higher flow rate but no rinsing has saved me water (and a good % of time) per job on most but not all jobs.
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car washer jets nothing beats them, i have been using them for months now, works just like a power washer, and if you want to you can turn the flow down as normal,
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As has been said, for fan jets to operate at their best, to obtain a good spread on the fan of water you need a decent flowrate.
If the brush has been adapted properly (Peter Fogwill does so) you will get a really well contained fan trapped in by the bristles.
This allows you to cover a window in fewer strokes as the entire width of the brush is covered thanks to the fan of water.
Another thing to remember is that whilst cleaning the window, whether with a brush with fan jets or needle jets, the entire time you are cleaning you are also rinsing, you are using a continuous flow of clean water.
On regular maintenance cleans the windows should not really be very dirty, and once you know what you are doing, rinsing OFF the glass should not be necessary most of the time.
times when I will rinse off the glass may be on an old sash window with poor paintwork, with the needle jets I can hold off the glass a few inches and guide the water onto just the top edges of the window panes themselves without going over the paintwork.
Or it may be an old sash window with a set of narrow panes either side of the main sashes, these can be tricky to fit the brush into, and holding off the glass can allow me to direct the water up into the corners of the window pane during cleaning so that I can ensure the glass is wet enough for the bristles to clean it effectively, I'll also then do the same after I've washed the pane, ensuring that I've rinsed properly.
If frames are particularly dirty I may well rinse off the glass if i think there is a risk of spotting if I don't do so.
you CAN work faster with fan jets, and if you never had to lift off the glass to rinse, if you carry enough water then they would win.
But my water now goes almost 3 times further than before, and having the ability to be more accurate under certain rinsing conditions makes the pencil jets the winner for me.
Ian
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As has been said, for fan jets to operate at their best, to obtain a good spread on the fan of water you need a decent flowrate.
If the brush has been adapted properly (Peter Fogwill does so) you will get a really well contained fan trapped in by the bristles.
This allows you to cover a window in fewer strokes as the entire width of the brush is covered thanks to the fan of water.
Another thing to remember is that whilst cleaning the window, whether with a brush with fan jets or needle jets, the entire time you are cleaning you are also rinsing, you are using a continuous flow of clean water.
On regular maintenance cleans the windows should not really be very dirty, and once you know what you are doing, rinsing OFF the glass should not be necessary most of the time.
times when I will rinse off the glass may be on an old sash window with poor paintwork, with the needle jets I can hold off the glass a few inches and guide the water onto just the top edges of the window panes themselves without going over the paintwork.
Or it may be an old sash window with a set of narrow panes either side of the main sashes, these can be tricky to fit the brush into, and holding off the glass can allow me to direct the water up into the corners of the window pane during cleaning so that I can ensure the glass is wet enough for the bristles to clean it effectively, I'll also then do the same after I've washed the pane, ensuring that I've rinsed properly.
If frames are particularly dirty I may well rinse off the glass if i think there is a risk of spotting if I don't do so.
you CAN work faster with fan jets, and if you never had to lift off the glass to rinse, if you carry enough water then they would win.
But my water now goes almost 3 times further than before, and having the ability to be more accurate under certain rinsing conditions makes the pencil jets the winner for me.
Ian
Thank you for that Ian ;)