Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Davo on October 21, 2007, 10:29:37 pm
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Does water fed pole really keep windows cleaner for longer.
Certain members dont think so, w/cers that have moved from trad to wfp have you found that the windows are cleaner when you return to clean them than they were when you were using trad methods.
Mark
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i reakon so. always clean when i go back
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not that clean that they dont need doign of course :P
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Does water fed pole really keep windows cleaner for longer.
Certain members dont think so, w/cers that have moved from trad to wfp have you found that the windows are cleaner when you return to clean them than they were when you were using trad methods.
Mark
they do stay cleaner for longer IMO also so i have seen, depending what you clean them doing trad makes alot of difference aswell
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Yes they do stay cleaner longer, even one of my custy's who lives on a main road used to pray for me to turn up on time when I was trad, now when I get there there just getting dirty and ready for another clean.
Some I go back to are still clean, but like LWCs said not to clean as to leave them.
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It's a tough one, if the conditions are right then they do stay cleaner for longer. however, they still get dirty with rain if it's windy & blowing all the crap onto them.
Using pro' cleaning solutions like GG3 etc has a similar effect when trad cleaning IMO.
tony
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i would say that alot also depends on the location as some of my clients are by the woods and the windows facing that side are more than ready for a clean(4wkly) :)
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I use to clean the busiest road in Torquay and can confirm WFP method does keep windows cleaner for longer than using the 'traditional' method 8)
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A clean pane of glass is a clean pane of glass...whether it was cleaned trad of wfp and as a clean pane of glass will attract grime at the same rate.
Pure water isn't some kind of magical barrier against dirt.
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A clean pane of glass is a clean pane of glass...whether it was cleaned trad of wfp and as a clean pane of glass will attract grime at the same rate.
Pure water isn't some kind of magical barrier against dirt.
No, but squeegeeing leaves a microscopic residue for dust to stick to.
Pure water pretty much sterilises the glass.
I've found they stay cleaner in general.
I haven't done mine for weeks, but they still look clean.
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Is it because we havent had much wind lately ?
I dont think the windows stay cleaner, I will set up an experiment and report back
Dave
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Is it because we havent had much wind lately ?
I dont think the windows stay cleaner, I will set up an experiment and report back
Dave
Dave:
I'll bet you a tenner WFP method on windows keeps glass cleaner than traditional method no matter how little detergent is used if you'll accept the bet :)
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I have done an experiment with this and they do stay cleaner longer,there also easier to clean on the next visit.
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I have done an experiment with this and they do stay cleaner longer,there also easier to clean on the next visit.
I have also ran these tests about 3 times, and my results also found they stay cleaner far longer
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My windows deffinitely don't get as dirty between cleans. My wife noticed it even without me promting her. They still need cleaning, just don't get as dirty.
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I've just been away for 2 weeks and had a reshuffle. Some houses today were 7 weeks and they were perfect. I also have a few places where i still have to do a few windows trad and the rest wfp and the trad ones are always much dirtier than the rest.
Simon.
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ifeel a bit embarrassed returning after 4or 6 weeks to find
clean sparkling windows
i use RO water for trad and 000 wfp
i wonder if theres some chemical i can dump into my wfp water
which will attract the dirt
birdnuts and flypoo i certainly get-but the general dirty elements-no
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ifeel a bit embarrassed returning after 4or 6 weeks to find
clean sparkling windows
i use RO water for trad and 000 wfp
i wonder if theres some chemical i can dump into my wfp water
which will attract the dirt
birdnuts and flypoo i certainly get-but the general dirty elements-no
Dont feel embarrassed, it means that you do the job they are pay you to do clean windows all the time is something I would and do feel proud about ;)
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im concerned-the glass is so clean i feel that the customers
would rather i skipped it for this month because theyre
obviously not dirty
ive had a few permanent cancellations i go back and ask why?
is it because i do a bad job? never
some say they dont see any difference between the cleans
whats the point in paying when theyre pretty much clean?
the glass is so clean-it doesnt attract dirt
i guess it might help if i revert to tapwater and use a lot detergent
for trad but then theres a lot of extra detailing to do
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A clean pane of glass is a clean pane of glass...whether it was cleaned trad of wfp and as a clean pane of glass will attract grime at the same rate.
Pure water isn't some kind of magical barrier against dirt.
No, but squeegeeing leaves a microscopic residue for dust to stick to.
Pure water pretty much sterilises the glass.
I've found they stay cleaner in general.
I haven't done mine for weeks, but they still look clean.
Yes that's a good point. So in a way it's good to be trad...dirtier quicker means my services are needed more often....at least that's the theory 8)
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A clean pane of glass is a clean pane of glass...whether it was cleaned trad of wfp and as a clean pane of glass will attract grime at the same rate.
Pure water isn't some kind of magical barrier against dirt.
No, but squeegeeing leaves a microscopic residue for dust to stick to.
Pure water pretty much sterilises the glass.
I've found they stay cleaner in general.
I haven't done mine for weeks, but they still look clean.
Yes that's a good point. So in a way it's good to be trad...dirtier quicker means my services are needed more often....at least that's the theory 8)
no way, I will be fully explaining to my customers if I get comments like they are clean, I will reply saying yes this is what you pay me for, why have windows dirty every few weeks when they can always be clean that is are job after all is it not ::)
if people are canceling and giving you that reason you may want to change what you say to them, I have never had this happen ever I trad clean and windows are still clean when I get back 4 weeks later, if i ever get a comment I refer to above and they seem to understand better. they can of course change to 2 monthly but there price would increase this way I do not lose out on money
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Yep, they definitely stay cleaner longer, but that also does depend on weather conditions to a degree.
Educate your customers, your regular maintenance cleans are done to KEEP them clean, the idea is that your windows are clean all the time, you don't just wait until they are covered in grime to clean them.
I'm just about to go back out to work, but I've also just had a text off Squeaky, he has just had 2 customers ask him to to call every other month instead of every month...what's the betting this is for exactly that reason?
I'm sure he's gritting his teeth in frustration, too late now, but if he could have said, "Ok' but I'll have to put up your prices to compensate as through the winter your windows are now going to be harder work to clean."
it might have given him a little satisfaction, but he isn't overrun with work at the moment, so no doubt doesn't feel able to take that line with customers just in case they completely cancel on him.
difficult to move the goalposts with old customers, but you can put this kind of thing in place with new ones.
You can also of course tell them that 4 weekly = £xxx, 8 weekly = £yyyy and 12 weekly = £zzz
I have one shop in particular that really shows the difference between trad and WFP.
When cleaned with either method they are spotless, but when done trad, because of the position of neighbouring shops, on one corner the wind always forms a vortex, the air always swirls around, and when done trad, almost every week they had a faint film of dust on them.
done WFP they absolutely never have a film of dust on them.
but I'm equally sure that if they were not done every week, by the end of a month I would see a film of dust on them regardless of whether or not I did them WFP or not.
you use detergent, as squeaks has said, you leave a microscopic film on the glass that will be slightly 'sticky' to small enough particles.
In the olden days you could see this on the inside of pub windows ;D the smoke would stick to the glass after a few days and you could see every turn of your squeegee ;)
Anyway, I've got £191 of domestics to knock out before 4pm 8)
I'm outa here!
Ian
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In the olden days you could see this on the inside of pub windows ;D the smoke would stick to the glass after a few days and you could see every turn of your squeegee ;)
Oh God, don't you hate it when that happens !! >:( >:(
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So the consensus is that wfp keeps windows cleaner for longer.
So why are most cleaners still sticking to their same cleaning frequency ie every 4 weeks??
This is not meant as a negative comment, but rather as a way of possibly earning more money per clean.
Providing its priced the right way, less frequent cleans must mean more moey in the long run.
Or am I missing something here?
Mark
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So the consensus is that wfp keeps windows cleaner for longer.
So why are most cleaners still sticking to their same cleaning frequency ie every 4 weeks??
This is not meant as a negative comment, but rather as a way of possibly earning more money per clean.
Providing its priced the right way, less frequent cleans must mean more moey in the long run.
Or am I missing something here?
Mark
1 if it takes less time to clean then you make more money
2 if the customers always has clean windows then you are doing your job correctly.
3 why would you want to do it less often to make the same money, this is not good business sence in anyway
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1 if it takes less time to clean then you make more money
2 if the customers always has clean windows then you are doing your job correctly.
3 why would you want to do it less often to make the same money, this is not good business sence in anyway
In response to no3 providing you earn the same ammount of money over the same period of time surely you must be better off.
Mark