Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Doug Holloway on October 19, 2007, 06:08:34 pm
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Hi Guys
How do you feel when a new CC product is launced ?
Cheers
Doug
I know it depends on the company and this is not meant to be taken too seriously .
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After being stung by believing all the bs about a certain product, a lot more wary now.Just wish I had listened to the more experienced guys who kept telling me it was a waste of money steer clear >:(
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Steve, are you talking about Magic water.
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Which one? Was the network one >:(
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Magic water? Are we talking 15 day old spotters? ;D
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what you've got to watch is companies who get other to do the B/S...ing for them :o :o
they invite them on pre-launch seminars or ask them them to 'independently' test a new cleaning product, all the time they are playing on their egos, buttering them up with 'you're so respected that we'd love you to help us test a new product' they know no one will believe anything they say, so they get others to say it for them.
they play on friendship, I can think of 2 or 3 companies that have friends who would recommend bottled sh*t if they started to sell it
Mike
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I think he means mother of all power steve ;D ;)
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So the self proclaimed "professor" raises his head again to stir up the same old tired, well worn and done to death bull that no doubt the other followers of this scientific god will blindly comment on.
Lets recall that most memorable of quotes of the decade, now what was it again, oh yes thats it, " it will kill babies", presumably pressure was brought to bear from the creators of this WMD to suppress the worlds media from exposing such an unheard of act not seen since the days of the Nazi death camps.
Who on earth would have believed that such a discovery could be unearthed by a collector of websites and yet not a single scientist could carry out such intricate testing to uncover such a plot to eradicate the future generations of this planet with all their knowledge and analytical apparatus at their disposal. They should hang their heads in shame at the knowldege that this earth shattering discovery was made quite accidentally, yet instantly recognised the moment that barbie fell into the bucket containing this dreadful product. Such is the shock I still feel, that i can't even utter its name to this day.
Nominations have been made for entry into next years Noble peace prize on behalf of this leading luminary, reward for such dedicated research should be fully rewarded, and no amount of media suppresion from the creators of such a fiendish product will prevent the truth from being unvielled.
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Cant quite get my head around the above post ???
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Keith, that was a good answer and rebuff to Doug's post,
it was so good I decided to read the other 6 post you've made, interesting reading.
Mike
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It's clearly someone many know but is hiding his identity to take a swipe at someone who's views he or she does not agree with (or perhaps even someone who is guilty of said BS)
Some of the older threads are worth revisiting for the fresher blood in the industry so that they are encouraged to question opinions and stretch knowledge. If, as an industry, we are not prepared to do this we may as well go back to either stone (for the people who rattle their jewellry) or the real natural look of earth (for those in the cheaper seats).
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Keiths previous posts do make interesting reading don't they
"For whatever infantile reasons there may be behind some peoples motives, it doesn't take much intelligence to see straight through such posts and see them for what they really are. Don't insult our intelligence."
Your words, now fill your profile in and don't hide behind a false name?
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Thats funny Mike, I just did the same and I have a few thoughts of my own. I was even gonna mention the cold/hot water debate in my post but did'nt want it to look like I was sucking up to Doug (even though I completely agree with him). I'll email you my guess if you'll email me yours.
Pete
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Sussed him on his first post ;D
Glad to see its not just me then ::)
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Answers on a post card to
Shaun
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Shaun
Have you still got those pink Jarmies
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For the 10000 time NO!
Does Jeremy still live in your bed?
Shaun
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this is going off topic, the question is are we becoming cynical about new products because of past experiences? perhaps we should look at the the pedigree of the company offering the new product.
I think the key to acceptance of a new product is openness, I'm becoming a big believer in the new encapsulation products because of the vast amount of information given out by the people making & selling it, no mystical promises just common sense chemistry, the manufacturer have nothing to hide, they know people want knowledge of a new product, to understand it.
Mike
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Its not just chemicals it applies to machinery too.How many people have poo pooed the panthers but many carpet cleaners are running them with very few problems.So who do we believe the suppliers of alternate machines or the people who are using them day in day out.I was all set to buy a panther after visiting woodbridge and Dave Ingram giving it rave reviews then a few weeks later people were complaining how they were having problems with the machines so I decided against buying one.I trusted my own judgement you pay your money and take your chance.
What works for one may not work for another again who do you believe.You have to make your own mind up after considering the views of everyone.
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Steve its down to people at the end of the day, I have had my panthr a year now and trouble free ;D.
Like anyhing if you understand it and look aftr it then you should get on with it .
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Hi Guys
If Keith Richards is a psuedonym then it is disappointing that the person behind this does not have the dignity to use their own name, on less liberal forums than this he would not be allowed to post.
My poll was meant as a light hearted piece of fun with a more serious message as Mike has pointed out.
Cheers
Doug
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Many of the products we come across are often recycled or rebranded, or even "own label" from another manufacturer. In the retail world it is proven that the word "NEW" for example, on a label will increase sales. So a relaunch could even mean that there is now just 0.1% more of XXXXlyne than before. So am I cynical? Oh yes 8)
Sometimes these new products and formulations will come about because of EU regulations. The new formulations may do the same job, but be slower acting, or require more agitation, or different rinse or prespray etc. etc.
For myself, the new colloidal products have proved to be a good problem solvers for me, but as a general cleaning agent I prefer others. 5 litres will probably last me a year or more.
When it comes to new chemicals and trusting the manufacturer, a company group which I take more serious notice of when they launch new or improved products, originates from the land down under.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Those bloody Hobbits.
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Doug, its only a bit of Friday night fun.
Ken, very well put,I think you should become a politition. Keith may have bitten. ;)
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Paul, it's not fun if your on the recieving end. Thats was quite a direct set of insults.
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Pete your turn next week :)
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I had mine last week from someone not far from you and I really did'nt deserve it. Make love not war n all that
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Your Missus?
Shaun
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No Shaun, thats a daily thing
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Doug, Keith has been on our suspects list for a while now
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Ex Rolling Stone turned carpet cleaner, beats the hell out of Alltecs effort with Anthea Turner ;D
I meself love micro splatters............ :P
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50/50 for me ...................... then i try sample (free sample promotes more confidence)
I decide on results.........thankfully i have managed to thrive on my own judgment ;)
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I can remember when I saw you at the Alltec NCCA event last summer you had a sample of mpower but you were a little hesitant to try it out as there was no data sheet with it but you could say the rest is history although I guess you still use other MS and AS products.
Shaun
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Shaun, I never got my hands on ANY M Power till its release ........... i know for a fact as it was 2 days after judging for last years award ;D .....................i moaned that i may not have got runner up Highly Commended if i had it earlier, i was not invited to be part of the tests :-\
Had a sample of a crystallising type solution .........that is still sat on office shelving.
Have tried Nemesis as well, maybe it is worked with in different way but on my test in one office, it needed a second go so i stuck with plan A ::) .........................many people give up on some new chemicals if they cannot get them to work or if they work differently to what they are used to.
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Actually still have my Nemesis samples but they are shelved, due to lost safety sheets...............were i to get another set of sheets, then i could test some more, providing samples are still usable a year on !!!
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Chris, I think you can download safety sheets from JK website.
and is that you have Nemesis or Nemesis Super?
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Scented/ Unscented is all i know ???
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Chris you need scented mate:P
Without the promotional hype from either product and after using both I still can't find anything between them but hey who am I?
I like that Crafyex Champion mixed with turps and a dab of peroxide to give it that 'edge' ;D
Shaun
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Sadly I have been known to be totally gullible, but when a cynic I have been ridiculed by my peers and then they find out and jump ship. :o
What I have found out in my survey is that customer’s want a clean carpet hook or by crook, BS they are not into. :'( :'(
Chris
Still going to the parlour. ;) Nice to see you back, boring are the other forums? :D Data sheets more or less keep clear of eyes, wash hands and don’t educe vomiting see a doctor, still waiting for the AS data sheet, :( can you put a good word in for me with the powers that want too be. ;D
Joe
Can’t find it. Think only Prochem have data sheets online, which is listed safety data sheets. Come on Chemsep/hydramaster
Pete
Broad shoulders, methinks
Len
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Sorry Len for misleading, data sheets are not on Restoremate site as you say.
But I have them here from somewhere - both Nemesis and Nemesis Super.
If you or Chris Straker wants a copy - no problem.
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Len.........hiya, if you mean the Big House when you say parlour, then yes i am still in there....... loads to do before state opening in November :o
Joe.......... thanks for the offer of data sheets........email is chris@strakercleaning.co.uk
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Chris & Len
Have sent you safety sheets.
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Arrived okay and many thanks 8)
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Thanks Joe
Chris
Champagne is the colour ;D :D
Len
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Hi Guys,
Turned out to be quite an interesting poll showing CC's are pretty sensible when it comes to suppliers claims.
I have been away in Budapest and have received a voice mail message from JB, saying he has been told of the Keith Richard's diatribe and that it was not him and that if he wanted to insult me, he would do it under his own name.
I have removed the post with the address as this is unfair to JB.
Cheers
Doug
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Doug
Did not think it was John as he is normally upfront.Think I know who it is and he posts alot on clean talk.
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Sorry Doug and sorry John it was done as fun nothing else.
Shaun
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Hi Guys
Shaun, man enough to say sorry, well done , by the way I didn't leave the rest of your post to embarras you it was just the software does not allow me to do certain things , won't say anymore as some idiot will make mischief.
I was leaving for the airport at 3.00 a.m so I didn't have time to sort it out but agree JB is much more of a man than to insult behind anyones back.
This forum is generally conducted with dignity and honesty which is a credit to all, well almost ::)
Cheers
Doug