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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: nat on October 14, 2007, 07:16:56 pm
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I'm just wondering what payload you need for a 600 litre tank, the only reason i ask is i have gone for 1500kg payload to suffice 1000 litre tanks, just wondering what payload you need for 600, and if anyone has that setup what vans do they use?
thanks :)
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My van is a 2.0ltr hdi Citroen Dispatch and has a 900kg payload with a 650ltr tank fitted. Works for me. Most of them are only 800kg so the 900's are harder to find.
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does a 900 payload suit that alright? i thought you would need around a 1100 payload for that? does it effect the wear and tear much on the van? does it handle the wieght alright when the tanks full?
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I'm just wondering what payload you need for a 600 litre tank, the only reason i ask is i have gone for 1500kg payload to suffice 1000 litre tanks, just wondering what payload you need for 600, and if anyone has that setup what vans do they use?
thanks :)
650l in cit relay swb 1145 payload I think
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cheers window washer, do you know the minimum payload recommended for 650 litre tank?
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anyone know what tank size a 815kg van would hold?
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cheers window washer, do you know the minimum payload recommended for 650 litre tank?
you have to remember that the tank will be 650 then a tank full of diesel all your bits and bobs over 1000 to be safe
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thanks Ian, i know about all the extras just wondered what recommended payload is?
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Although not strictly necessary, I would prefer a payload of 500kg+ over and above the weight of the water. I am overweight and I carry a ladder on top too. Plus I like to carry most of my tools around in case I need them.
It probably doesn't do a van any good pushing it to its limit all the time so I reckon it's good to allow a bit spare anyway.
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so do you think a 500 litre tank in a payload of 815kg would be to much? or are you being more safe than sorry?
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so do you think a 500 litre tank in a payload of 815kg would be to much? or are you being more safe than sorry?
It can be done so long as you are not loads overweight and you travel light. Probably better not to carry a passenger though if the water tank is full. Best way to check is to get your van weighed with all your equipment in/on it, with you sitting inside, with a full tank of diesel, and with an empty water tank. The amount of payload remaining (in kg) is the number of litres you can put in the tank. Better to allow a bit for error and fluctuation too though.
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Ive been sitting back watching this post as I got my van as it was suggested to be suitable by my suppplier????
The tank is only filled up fully abt once a week (haven't used a full tank yet in a day) and I work alone but still carry ladders all the time so I don't have to store them anywhere. As I use the van as my main transport do you think I would be better to get a little car to run around in socially and ease the strain on the van?
Thanks Rob
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Thanks Shiner, its a little tricky one, been looking at the citreon dispatch or Peugeot Expert, i know thay have a 900kg van so that may be an option? i like the look of them for domestics as there quite small, more economical (i think) than the transits, i've had a real change of heart on this due to the fuel consumptions.
Anyone know the fuel consumtion in these vans? easier way how many miles out of a tank and how much to fill up?
they also seem a lot cheaper to buy than the trannys, anyone know what the parts are like to buy? are the reliable vans?? looking at around a 54/05 plate
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Thanks Shiner, its a little tricky one, been looking at the citreon dispatch or Peugeot Expert, i know thay have a 900kg van so that may be an option? i like the look of them for domestics as there quite small, more economical (i think) than the transits, i've had a real change of heart on this due to the fuel consumptions.
Anyone know the fuel consumtion in these vans? easier way how many miles out of a tank and how much to fill up?
they also seem a lot cheaper to buy than the trannys, anyone know what the parts are like to buy? are the reliable vans?? looking at around a 54/05 plate
Hi Nat I have a citreon relay swb cost 4k on an 03 plate with 36k on the clock, big enough but not to big ;)
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transit size though window washer, fancy something smaller as i already have transits, for a smallish setup and nothing else
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transit size though window washer, fancy something smaller as i already have transits, for a smallish setup and nothing else
what about a connect?
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a lot more money, there around the same as the transits, the relay and expert look a lot more cheaper then the connect
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a lot more money, there around the same as the transits, the relay and expert look a lot more cheaper then the connect
if you are wanting a 600l tank you need something quite big, maybe a vito
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the vitos are expensive and rot to quick, good pull on them put wern't over struck on the ones i've been looking at, i think the relay and expert is where i'm gonna go, 500 litres in a 900kg payload should be alright?
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the vitos are expensive and rot to quick, good pull on them put wern't over struck on the ones i've been looking at, i think the relay and expert is where i'm gonna go, 500 litres in a 900kg payload should be alright?
I have the relay myself ;) TD HDi
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your getting me confused now Window wiper ::)
i mean the dispatch not relay ;)
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your getting me confused now Window wiper ::)
i mean the dispatch not relay ;)
lol, it's window washers :P
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exactly :P ::) ;D
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For those of you who are driving on the limit, dont forget you are still at risk of having one axle over the limit, the weights given for overall weight assume that your load is even over the full length of your van, to be safe allow 15% for uneven weight distribution.
If you have a 600 tank it will be about 650kilos full allowing for the weight of the tank itself.
Filter system including pumps etc 50kg ?
hose reals 20kg times 2 = 40kg ?
ladders 40kg ? ?
2 people 150kg
misc squeegies , buckets , 50kg ?
ply lining 100kg
4 poles 20kg
fuel 80 kg full tank 80 litres
see you are already up to 1180kg allowing 15 % for the unseen (uneven loading, extra passenger etc)
you will need a payload of 1360kg assuming the above weights are true
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personally i would always allow 70 kilos per seat whether you work alone or not.
it is so easy to give someone a lift etc when you are fully loaded , so if your van has 3 seats allow about 200 kgs
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thanks dave this is the sort of answer i've been looking for
so from your calculation a simple 2 person setup would consist of
500 litres around 535kg
hose reals 20kg times 2 = 40kg ?
no filters as the water goes into the tanks at 000ppm
no ladders
2 people 150kg
misc squeegies , buckets , 50kg ?
no plylining
so this should be taking us fully loaded into the regieon of 775kg plus 15% = around 120kg we are coming in under the 900kg, it is pretty maxed out but i belive the weights are pretty generous.
what do you think?
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The weights are probably generous , all just guess work apart from the tank which is pretty much spot on.
dont forget poles , roughly 3-6 kg per pole ?
I think Ian lancaster took his van to a weigh bridge last year maybe he will had to this.
Maybe we could start a thread giving true weights ie , the true weight of a 100m micro bore complete on a reel , full of water, weigh a 10 litre bucket full of water and squeegies.
Dave
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would be handy that wouldn't it? knowing the exact weights of all our tools so we add up and be safe!
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thanks dave this is the sort of answer i've been looking for
so from your calculation a simple 2 person setup would consist of
500 litres around 535kg
hose reals 20kg times 2 = 40kg ?
no filters as the water goes into the tanks at 000ppm
no ladders
2 people 150kg
misc squeegies , buckets , 50kg ?
no plylining
so this should be taking us fully loaded into the regieon of 775kg plus 15% = around 120kg we are coming in under the 900kg, it is pretty maxed out but i belive the weights are pretty generous.
what do you think?
you forgot the fuel ;)
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i will put fuel in now
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Crikey, looking at the above weights i am going to a weighbridge this week.
Does anyone live near a scrap yard or a weigh bridge who can just nip out ?
Dave
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mine always run on empty, can't afford to keep them full ;) ;D
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just weighed my reels
reel including 100m 6mm hose 20kg
reel including 100m 8mm hose 22.5kg
both weighed full of water
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thats was a good guess above then wern't it?
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mine always run on empty, can't afford to keep them full ;) ;D
Same here.
£90 to fill a Trafic! :o
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how many miles would you get out of that £90 squeaky?
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Whats the weight of ladders ?
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how many miles would you get out of that £90 squeaky?
Don't know, never going to try it am I? ;D
£10 gets me about 60 miles, so I'd guess about 450-500 miles allowing for the extra weight of the fuel. ???
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about the same as the trannys, using them round town 60 miles at least, outta town 80 miles a tenner. they do seem to use a lot more when a full tank of water is in the back
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how many miles would you get out of that £90 squeaky?
I have a Trafic. It usually costs me a bit over £70 to fill up with about 70 litres (the tank holds 90 litres but I'm not prepared to run it down any further). I do set the trip meter when I fill up to the brim and my £70 is usually good for 430 - 450 miles. It looks like I could take it to 500 miles between fill-ups but the warning light is usually on around 430 miles. I often travel with 600+ litres of water in the tank so that wouldn't help the consumption but apart from the weight, I do tend to drive in a way that keeps fuel use down (usually). So if you reckon £70 is 430 miles then £90 would be about 550 miles.