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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Davew on October 14, 2007, 09:58:25 am
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First clean and they are amazed, second clean no problems but several of my customers get to number three and decide to get funny - can't afford it, got no money, not today it's going to rain, not today we are going on holiday tomorrow. Anyone else find this?
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Yes exactly what happened to me.
They give you a chance to start with, but they soon tire of it.
You get every excuse under the sun don't you?
I'm getting more than ever now after 6 months.
It's not my work causing the problem either.(or your's)
You're not doing anything wrong.
People just don't like it as much.
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I also find that a lot of those who were chatty and gave me a cuppa have changed.
Now they just hand the money over, grunt, and go back inside.
It's only time before they cancel. :(
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i must admit, cups of teas are few and far apart and chats are less. but to be fair, thats what used to slow me down
we're only there 5 mins, they probably think its not worth making one. when before say we'd be there 20 mins
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Although i have had few complaints i have noticed that i get very few tips now
Will have to see if that continues at xmas time
Dean
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Have you considered that they look at the windows which are still clean, see how quickly you manage to clean them & how much they cost? They work out how much you are earning coupled with your eagerness to get them done & they start to want to slow you down a bit.
I did encounter a bit of what you are experiencing but explained to the ones that started to waiver that it was better to have clean windows all the time rather than let them get dirty & then have them cleaned. With trad they were probably a bit grubby when I turned up but now they still seem to be clean & I want to clean them again.
Customers do not, as a general rule, work out exactly when you last called but see that you are trying to clean an already clean window?
My explanation of a maintenance clean (a bit more articulately to the customer) done the trick most of the time.
Hope this helps :)
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Although i have had few complaints i have noticed that i get very few tips now
Will have to see if that continues at xmas time
Dean
I'm not expecting much in the way of tips this year.
I usually get £350-400 from my 200-odd customers.
I bet I'll get about £50 this year. ::)
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Tips? the theiving buggers owe me. Ive had several who didn't have the right money and I politely said ok pay me next time, yeah right. Out of a couple of hundred customers only four have a concience and would phone because they don't like owing money.
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Squeak I reckon your van is working againt you, mine is signwritten, smart and tidy I even polish it on the weekend (silver) but all the locals think your earning too much. It goes against the trditional image of the poor scruffy windowcleaner who has no money. I would be very shocked to recieve tips. If your after commercial work then fine.
My wife works for Tesco and many of the staff won't even speak to a cleaner as they think they are lowlife! Although she is not a cleaner she started cleaning for an elderly couple, only to end up being treated as a servant.
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Why not start thinking about 6 or 8 weekly .....you could increase your p.a income..( or there abouts)without resorting to silly day early tricks, would give you additional intrest in your business and at least your customers would 'feel' they are getting value for money....there is no way I would pay someone to clean my windows every 4 weeks....regardless of how much I was earning..
Try it out on your own house....I have my house in George and have been watching how dirty the glass is getting within 4,6,8 and 12 weeks....very little difference between 4-6-8 weeks...try it.
It could all be down to perception...they see you wizz round in minutes, hold out your hand and get the cash...in their eye's for what ?...4 weeks the windows are still clean to them...so when we all pull up in newish type vans and flash gear...they do not see our investment...they see there money paying for you to get flash gear/vans/holidays.....again all down to how they see it...
But yes 3 seems to be the magic number.
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I give them a choice when I take them on - they can have what they like as long as it's regular. I tell them the norm is five weeks but they don't have to have it. If they want to change it they could phone me up and change it instead of waiting till I turn up and sending me away. :( (I just can't get around the fact that the general public are such arse*oles)
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Thats not like you DaveW....Try not to tar them all with the same tar brush....at the end of the day...all accounts are just that...accounts...
Try not to let them create a bitter streak within you...
Go out this week with the sole intention of replacing them and when you have found new accounts ....get rid....what a wonderful business we are in.....
Have 1 customer who has 'had' me for 2 cleans....ok so in total it is only 14 quid....but I have ceased to let this person bother me further...I have noted it as a bad debt and it will be in the end of year accounts as such.
I now work 'knowing' that I will have to wear the fact that I will be '****** over' a certain amount during the year....with this in mind I have one job where it take me 35 minutes (start to finish) and I bill 56quid and this is 4weekly....swings and round abouts.
The power of change is so great within this game that I wish I have left school and immeadiatly bought window cleaning gear and started there and then...
Think about all the fantastic aspects and do not let these upsets get out of balance...
No my round is not perfect...I get done just as much as the next man and I am no business guru either but life is just too short to let these things take up too mch brain time..
Find good new - replace sh-it
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Phew! I am so glad I don't work in the same area as Squeaks!.....hang on....I DO :o
I don't have any of the problems that Squeaks has, certainly not with new customers, I have lost the occasional customer, who hasn't? And probably because of WFP, but equally I have those who want their windows cleaned specifically because IT IS WFP.
As for tips...well I get nothing like as much as Squeaks gets, but then I have an awful lot more commercial than Squeaks, and they don't tend to tip.
The van does make an image difference though, sometimes bad and mostly good.
I did lose a £50 commercial account because of the van, the guy really seemed to resent the fact that i could afford a new van...and he was a main dealer for Mitsubishi!!
Started by cutting the frequency of the clean, and actually told me he was ****** if he was going to help buy me a new van >:(
but on balance, it has been a massive plus where getting new work has been concerned.
Ian
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Thats not like you DaveW....
I get on a downer every now and again when I get treated badly or let down. I also have some lovely customers who I enjoy seeing and chatting to. Overall it's still a great job. ;)
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I don't have any of the problems that Squeaks has, certainly not with new customers...
I don't with new customers!
But I've only got about 4 "new" customers.
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Squeak....If I were you I would give this game up and just become a chav and live off the state mate...Think it's all a bit too much for you....
Let those who can do and those who cannot....not...
You never seem happy....bin it...go on....quit...doss...go on the dole...you'll feel much better for it....and we would not have to listen/read your soul destroying ramblings.
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I'm fine goon.
I've always got cash on me, and I only do 3 days a week. ;)
As soon as that becomes 5 I'll be coining it. :P
Afford a brand new big van and a car for the missus don't I?
Still manage to go out every weekend and buy games and dvds.
Why don't you stick to typing crap about your little fantasy world, and leave the real world advise to the people who been around in this game for a bit?
I'd put any money I'd be quicker than you, more accurate than you, and more skilled.
I've been there done that. ;)
Too many newbies around here who are getting a bit above their station lately.
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didnt realise their was a pecking order,or that you came from the aristocracy
of window cleaners.
thankyou for reminding us that we should bow and scrape to your every whim
you being blue blood and all ;D ;D ;D
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Sqeaks mate,
Since i have been coming on here all you have ever done is complain mate.
Its all about your attitude to what your doing in any walk of life.
We all get dealt the odd s**t hand in life, its just about how you choose to handle it.
Think about it
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...and another one.
You obviously haven't spotted that there's another section of this forum for "other topics"
I think you'll find most people will tell you I'm always cheerful and have a good laugh with others. ;)
I get wound up by the crap that's getting spouted by the new members lately.
Most of whom don't even put their name or location, as they're so false.
Of course I'm going to complain when people give out bad advise and overhype things to make themselves look good.
I personally always speak the truth on here and live in the real world.
Not some £500 per day, everyone loves me, fantasy world.
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I have to agree to a certain extent on Sqeaks comments regarding newbies spouting off, just lately there has been a lot of new comers acting as though they have been in this bizz for years, where as, if the truth were to be told a lot of their knowledge has been gained from forums such as this and they are trying to tell us old uns how to suck eggs.
P.S.
here's a typical example http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=44415.0
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i have got to stick up for squeeky on this one as his posts are truthfull and he has only stated what a lot of us have already been through, basically squeeky wants to supply customer satisfaction like he has always done in the past and although wfp can do a good job some customers just do not like it and feel robbed, whats more i always used to get comments like ee you do make that look easy and i wish i could run up a ladder like that , now they see a man with a stick spraying water at their windows and cant see any skill involved which in fairness is true.
keep at it squeeks some of us still live in real world although i wouldnt mind a bit of the £500 a day fantasy stuff if you have some spare.
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i totally agree i have only been at this around a year and extremely grateful
to have found this forum and others where i have pulled off all the advice i have
needed and been able to put into practice. down to good advice i have gone quickly
from squeegying and the last few months getting a trolley system and moving onto
a tank and a van.
relatively speaking compared to the people who have been cleaning for years and are running succesful businesses i have little experience,but that doesnt mean i am
not entitled to an opinion,whether you agree, disagree or totally discount it is
for your selves to decide.
but lets not spit our dummies out because you dont like what your hearing :)
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The way I see it the only guys making, or should I say turning over big money i.e. vat registered levels, are the people running a business with employees and two or three vans in their company. I don't have a problem with these people they are believable and on the whole pretty genuine and offer good basic advice and often know their tax levels and employer responsibilities inside out. I know exactly where Squeaks is coming from. A lot of us come on here to learn and end up getting advice from others who have been in the business for a fortnight with laughable claims to earnings etc.
Squeaky is a bit of a wind up merchant, but funny with it, and his problems are the same as most of us. Keep it up. :),
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well said Davew. :)
i agree
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Same here. In a weird, kinda bewildered way I admire Squeaky ;D
He has been through the mill with his illness probs this year which without WFP he would probably have had to give up window cleaning but he gritted his teeth and took the plunge. OK it's not been a bed of roses for him since the changeover but at least he sticks at it. Good on him!! :)
As to the newbie's well I havent been on the forum for all that long but I.ve been a window cleaner for a good few years now.
I put it down to enthusiasm without the benefit of experience that some of the guys post quite a bit of misinformed stuff. The young Jedi Luke is a prime example :) I do admire his enthusiasm but in reality he is still very green behind the ears as far as running a window cleaning business goes. ohh and he doesn't like anyone disagreeing with him lol. He has his latest toy (The Supalight 2) and of course we all should rush and get one on his say so. I think that I will let time and more experienced WFP users who have or still do use other poles that they can compare to influence whether or not I get one.
As for Mr Demarco doing £550 a day trad on domestics with a trainee tagging along well :o :o ::) ::)
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Not some £500 per day, everyone loves me, fantasy world.
Just my pennith (is that the right word?)
I have always found Squeaks to be really rather amusing, his avatars seem to sum him up really, I won't therefore mention his last one ;D but 2 nights ago I was on here having a browse and read etc etc but couldnt stop laughing, he may or may not be encouraging in the worksense, who kows, but funny, he certainly is.
Also, the big 'I ams' that have been on here lately, one in particular, I agree are just so annoying. I'm sure they dont fool anyone, well, I doubt they do; and if they do earn what theyre spouting they do I'd rather doubt their professionalism and quality of work.
Matt
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Squeaks....as for the newbie comment....I'll treat it with the same contempt it was delivered...
For a number of years you have been the party pooper...you have money to pay for dvd's...blah, blah....now do you have the same cash to pay your taxes which you so regulary complain about not having the readies to pay for?
Does'nt matter what you do re: advertising, graphics, leaflets....I would imagine your fellow w/c in your area see you as no threat at all.
As for being faster , better and all that...perhaps so, but then again I am not seeing the incredible losses your are suffering.
Month on month growth occurs within my 'fantasy' world and is just a fact...ok so I do not earn 500 a day but it's healthy none the less...week in, week out and you?
For some reason when reading your many backposts you seem to have the ability to 'draw in' sympathy...
Very much like an injured dog...I would not know whether to get you treatment in the vain hope you would pull through or just have you put down to put you out of your misery.
Newbie.
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I personally always speak the truth on here and live in the real world.
Not some £500 per day, everyone loves me, fantasy world.
I hope you're not talking about me!?
I only earn £450 per day - But do however work 7 days a week!
;)
Andy
PS. I am joking by the way.
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Squeaks....as for the newbie comment....I'll treat it with the same contempt it was delivered...
For a number of years you have been the party pooper...you have money to pay for dvd's...blah, blah....now do you have the same cash to pay your taxes which you so regulary complain about not having the readies to pay for?
Does'nt matter what you do re: advertising, graphics, leaflets....I would imagine your fellow w/c in your area see you as not threat at all.
For some reason when reading your many backposts you seem to have the ability to 'draw in' sympathy...
Very much like an injured dog...I would not know whether to get you treatment in the vain hope you would pull through or just have you put down to put you out of your misery.
Newbie.
gor blimey mate go easy! opinions are one thing but personal attacks on a person you dont know apart from postings on a forum is non constructive
and needless.
i refer back to my prevous post about spitting dummies out :)
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Just a point of 'quip pro quo' with a wry smile.
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Just a point of 'quip pro quo' with a wry smile.
??? ???
Dean
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Squeaks....as for the newbie comment....I'll treat it with the same contempt it was delivered...
For a number of years you have been the party pooper...you have money to pay for dvd's...blah, blah....now do you have the same cash to pay your taxes which you so regulary complain about not having the readies to pay for?
Does'nt matter what you do re: advertising, graphics, leaflets....I would imagine your fellow w/c in your area see you as no threat at all.
As for being faster , better and all that...perhaps so, but then again I am not seeing the incredible losses your are suffering.
Month on month growth occurs within my 'fantasy' world and is just a fact...ok so I do not earn 500 a day but it's healthy none the less...week in, week out and you?
For some reason when reading your many backposts you seem to have the ability to 'draw in' sympathy...
Very much like an injured dog...I would not know whether to get you treatment in the vain hope you would pull through or just have you put down to put you out of your misery.
Newbie.
pingu, don't you think this a bit OTT and personal?
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no...not at all
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i would like to know who stipulates who is a newby??
some one commented on the amount of posts well yes that means there a newby to sight but not to the job.
im a newbie and think im extremly more clued up tham some i know that cause of how well im doing
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I rarely post,but have reaped the rewards of knowledge from this forum for over 2 years now with gratitude. Surely this infantile tittle-tattle is unnecessary-we are all in the same boat one way or another!
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...and another one.
You obviously haven't spotted that there's another section of this forum for "other topics"
I think you'll find most people will tell you I'm always cheerful and have a good laugh with others. ;)
I get wound up by the crap that's getting spouted by the new members lately.
Most of whom don't even put their name or location, as they're so false.
Of course I'm going to complain when people give out bad advise and overhype things to make themselves look good.
I personally always speak the truth on here and live in the real world.
Not some £500 per day, everyone loves me, fantasy world.
Well said Mr.squeeks.
Regular users should know what is bu&&&&it & what's not, & who talks it & who doesn't. It's the others i feel for, that don't know who's word to trust, with some of the advise thrown about on here sometimes it's no wonder so many have problems. ::)
tony
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Well I'm surprised. :o
Apart from the obvious rubbish from the animated penguin masquerading as window cleaner, everyone's been pretty much agreeing with me!
I expected to come home to a barrage of abuse. ;D
As for Pingu, you say you imagine no local w/c's see me as a threat.
I don't see anyone else as a threat either. ???
What a stupid comment to make. ::)
If you think that way, then you must think a lot of yourself.
I can't imagine that makes you very popular.
I get on with all local cleaners, and as such they don't steal my work.
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...and another one.
You obviously haven't spotted that there's another section of this forum for "other topics"
I think you'll find most people will tell you I'm always cheerful and have a good laugh with others. ;)
I can deffo confirm that! Hes one of my partners in crime in the Non Cleaning related section :P
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Other the coming years I would imagine you'll continue to be the under achiever you show here....popular yes....but still the moaning, underdog...still wondering why the world deals you not so favorable hands.
I make my comments as a direct result of your statements within this forum and just felt the need to tell you how I felt....if I knew you, I would be so inclined to tell you directly...but as we know each other here...I told you here.
As a oldtimer here you have felt the need to tramp upon 'newbies' as you put it...well my freind just to put it into perspective a number of those are doing very well and may well be creating 'little empires' that are growing faster than you have lost business.
So for now...goodnight
Over to you.
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...and another one.
You obviously haven't spotted that there's another section of this forum for "other topics"
I think you'll find most people will tell you I'm always cheerful and have a good laugh with others. ;)
I get wound up by the crap that's getting spouted by the new members lately.
Most of whom don't even put their name or location, as they're so false.
Of course I'm going to complain when people give out bad advise and overhype things to make themselves look good.
I personally always speak the truth on here and live in the real world.
Not some £500 per day, everyone loves me, fantasy world.
Well said Mr.squeeks.
Regular users should know what is bu&&&&it & what's not, & who talks it & who doesn't. It's the others i feel for, that don't know who's word to trust, with some of the advise thrown about on here sometimes it's no wonder so many have problems. ::)
tony
i agree tony
we have jokers and people who keep it real ;)
BUT
lets get sqeaky, quick, lets get him now ;D ;D
makes a change for some1 else to be getting abuse on here :)
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i have got to stick up for squeeky on this one as his posts are truthfull and he has only stated what a lot of us have already been through, basically squeeky wants to supply customer satisfaction like he has always done in the past and although wfp can do a good job some customers just do not like it and feel robbed, whats more i always used to get comments like ee you do make that look easy and i wish i could run up a ladder like that , now they see a man with a stick spraying water at their windows and cant see any skill involved which in fairness is true.
keep at it squeeks some of us still live in real world although i wouldnt mind a bit of the £500 a day fantasy stuff if you have some spare.
I'm gonna stick up for Squeaky too with this one. I had a torrid time at first with WFP and felt like slinging it in for a while. I lost a few customers (nowhere near as many as Squeaky though), struggled with adapting to WFP, and generally had a really bad time with it all. I guess that some people are quicker at adapting than others. Gradually, the doubters were won over as my technique improved - as did the quality of my work. People do sense if you have doubts about the working methods you are using. I had to become more positive and businesslike in my approach. I advertised in places I hadn't advertised before. I've still a long way to go but I have also come a long way with this WFP stuff. Instead of feeling guilty about leaving their windows wet and taking less time to do a job, I now feel good about giving them a decent job and being able to earn more than I used to. I am also confident that on most windows, most of the time, I can do as good a job (possibly better) as I did with a squeegee. I needed to start distancing myself from the negative customers as they started to drag me down. I could still work for them but I made sure that I didn't hang around chatting with them.
A negative customer might make little digs about windows being left wet or "that didn't take long" etc.
A positive customer will see that you are now able to clean the window above the conservatory, the conservatory roof, and the facia boards and will be pleased that you are getting a more professional image.
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well said The Shiner ;)
its my first day tomorrow (wfp)
and to be honest in not looking forward to it :( :o >:( ??? ::)
really dont know how it is going to go. the trouble is that you get people saying prasing the wfp and saying that you can to twice as much, ££ more, but alot of the the time they dont mention the down side. :(
im glad that Squeaky has brought up the subject so that the newbies (me) actually know the downside.
as for the £500 a day 1 man band, BOLOX
Squeaky i hope that things start to look up for you mate and you get tho this bad patch
Good luck ;)
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well said The Shiner ;)
its my first day tomorrow (wfp)
and to be honest in not looking forward to it :( :o >:( ??? ::)
really dont know how it is going to go. the trouble is that you get people saying prasing the wfp and saying that you can to twice as much, ££ more, but alot of the the time they dont mention the down side. :(
im glad that Squeaky has brought up the subject so that the newbies (me) actually know the downside.
as for the £500 a day 1 man band, BOLOX
Squeaky i hope that things start to look up for you mate and you get tho this bad patch
Good luck ;)
good luck jampot on your first day with wfp
take your time and break yourself and your customers in slowly
remember to clean all frames and rinse well
don't be disheartned if you lose a few (i lost 3 on the change over from trad)
don't make the mistake of going back to trad on those who object wfp (this defeats the object of time and money spent)
after a few cleans you will find yourself getting better and faster therefore more time on your hands to get more work (more earnings)
also don't forget cladding/facias/gutter cleaning aswell using wfp (again more earnings)
stick with it and watch your hourly rate grow ;)
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Squeaky i hope that things start to look up for you mate and you get tho this bad patch
Good luck ;)
Cheers mate.
I'll be fine.
The only way is upwards and forwards etc... :)
I've got a weekly income which always covers the bills and extra bits that pop up, just wouldn't mind a bit more to spare that's all.
Some people around here seem to think I struggle to make ends meet.
Ok... ;D
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yeah im hoping to break them in slowly ;) ups only first, trad bottoms
im cleaning the section of my round that i think i will have the best day on.
thanx for that Jay
i just hope things dont go as bad as squeaky has had it, i really cant aford to lose as much has him
squeaky maybe you are coming to the end of your bad patch and things are going to get better for you :)
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jampot, the best piece of advice I picked up on here was prepare to go wfp by doing a really good job on the top frame the last time you do it trad. This may be too late for you if you're going wfp tomorrow, but bear it in mind. Where possible, I'd say do as many top frames as poss and then go back to do the windows. Good luck anyway. I doubt you'll regret it.
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well said The Shiner ;)
its my first day tomorrow (wfp)
and to be honest in not looking forward to it :( :o >:( ??? ::)
really dont know how it is going to go. the trouble is that you get people saying prasing the wfp and saying that you can to twice as much, ££ more, but alot of the the time they dont mention the down side. :(
im glad that Squeaky has brought up the subject so that the newbies (me) actually know the downside.
as for the £500 a day 1 man band, BOLOX
Squeaky i hope that things start to look up for you mate and you get tho this bad patch
Good luck ;)
Best of luck with WFP tomorrow. It seems that you have to go through a bit of stick with WFP to get to the good bits. I'm not going to discuss overall figures but will refer to one day (far and away my best day) only. When I was cleaning the trad way, my best day was in the low 200s . My best day with WFP (so far) has been £311. To sustain that pace every day would be beyond me I believe - not that I would have enough work to do so anyway. A few jobs I can do in half the time but more typically I can knock 25% off. A very few jobs seem to have no or little time saving. In general, the larger the job the more the time saving percentage wise.
I want to get more days like the one above but it will take time I know.
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Squeaky....Isnt one of your mottos "the only way is up"??? :P :P :P :P
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i just hope things dont go as bad as squeaky has had it, i really cant aford to lose as much has him
I'm sure you've got a lot more work than me to start with.
You will lose some, you can't avoid it.
I can get so much more done in a day now though, even if I'm doing less overall.
Even if I'm rained off on monday I can still make enough by wednesday.
That never used to happen! :)
I'm no worse off per calendar month either, even with the lost work.
The reason being that my round usually took 5 weeks.
Now I do it in 3.
Once I fill the other week or so, I'm laughing!
You'll be fine, honest. ;)
squeaky maybe you are coming to the end of your bad patch and things are going to get better for you :)
I'd imagine so.
Especially once I get the signwritten van outside the school in the mornings.
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jampot, the best piece of advice I picked up on here was prepare to go wfp by doing a really good job on the top frame the last time you do it trad. This may be too late for you if you're going wfp tomorrow, but bear it in mind. Where possible, I'd say do as many top frames as poss and then go back to do the windows. Good luck anyway. I doubt you'll regret it.
Can you explain this more specifically, please?
Am I right in thinking that youre saying the last time you do your round trad, make sure you clean the top of all the windows frames manually (I presume to lessen the amount of dirt allowed to run onto the glass when done first time WFP?).
OR are you saying just the tops of the 1st floor windows frames and not worry so much about the ground floor frames?
OR something else?
Just wanted to have this one spelt out to me.
Thankyou.
Feel free to explain it so a nine year old would understand ;D
Matt
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Squeaks
You've stopped taking comments on the signwriting then?
You could have ended up with something really good.
You are hard work at the best of times, but i think the phone call didn't help. and probably you got it in the ear of the missus as well.
The phone call was a bit invasive and cheeky and I wouldn't have liked it either- but every time I think of it I have been chuckling. What I hope is that whoever did is someone you know and is a friend ,and that way however misguided it get's the rest of us off the hook.
Your grumpy misanthropic persona is one thing, and an aquired taste , but if you'd been a bit more accepting of some of the ideas that were thrown at you, you might have got somewhere.
You might not think so but you had some of the sharpest knives in draw pitching for you.
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The phone call was a bit invasive and cheeky and I wouldn't have liked it either- but every time I think of it I have been chuckling. What I hope is that whoever did is someone you know and is a friend ,and that way however misguided it get's the rest of us off the hook.
Nah, definately wasn't any of my friends.
The only people I know on here are Ian Giles, Tosh and Roy Harding.
Wasn't any of them ;D
Want the worse bit?
My phone rang from a withheld number again this morning at 6.30.
I was out drinking until nearly 2.
Not impressed.
Tw@ts.
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The phone call was a bit invasive and cheeky and I wouldn't have liked it either- but every time I think of it I have been chuckling. What I hope is that whoever did is someone you know and is a friend ,and that way however misguided it get's the rest of us off the hook.
Have I missed something, please do tell (or post a link at least)
;D
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Despite todays writings...was not me...
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He's had enought and I can't blame him. It's on the signwriting ideas thread.
Jampot- just do the lot- wipe the ds frames and rubbers with a cloth,
What Poles do you have?
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i can remember when this forum was realy friendly and we just gave each other good advice,seems to be getting a bit nasty lately :(
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The phone call was a bit invasive and cheeky and I wouldn't have liked it either- but every time I think of it I have been chuckling. What I hope is that whoever did is someone you know and is a friend ,and that way however misguided it get's the rest of us off the hook.
Have I missed something, please do tell (or post a link at least)
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Aye, i must have missed something aswell, i know ive had other things on my mind in the last few days and ive been chasing my shadow at times
with whats been said in this thread, i guess squeky put his number on here and some joker thought it funny to phone him up at silly O'clock OR abuse him over something
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just read the van thread
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just read the van thread
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Yea, me too..... ;D
Its the terminology that cracks me up
What about the c0ck who just rang my phone and quacked down it, while his little friend giggled in the background? ::)
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I was miffed because I thought little ducklings instead of bullet points was a good idea.
On my van I have water droplets instead of bullet points.
Never mind I am looking forward to helping Matt with his van signing ;D ;D
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Never mind I am looking forward to helping Matt with his van signing ;D ;D
:o :o
as long as its shiney :P :P
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Why don't you stick to typing crap about your little fantasy world, and leave the real world advise to the people who been around in this game for a bit?
I'd put any money I'd be quicker than you, more accurate than you, and more skilled.
I've been there done that. ;)
Too many newbies around here who are getting a bit above their station lately.
Listen chump, sounds to me like you been in the game too long and your getting stale. Maybe the old timers should not be worried about length of time cleaning windows but who is the most successful and why are they so successful? What are they doing that im not? Cos it all comes down to the same....CLEANING WINDOWS but its the business side that seperates the men from the boys without judging it off age or experience.
Youve got alot to learn and you should sit back, listen and learn from us so called newbies. Quit being stubborn!!
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Why don't you stick to typing crap about your little fantasy world, and leave the real world advise to the people who been around in this game for a bit?
I'd put any money I'd be quicker than you, more accurate than you, and more skilled.
I've been there done that. ;)
Too many newbies around here who are getting a bit above their station lately.
Listen chump, sounds to me like you been in the game too long and your getting stale. Maybe the old timers should not be worried about length of time cleaning windows but who is the most successful and why are they so successful? What are they doing that im not? Cos it all comes down to the same....CLEANING WINDOWS but its the business side that seperates the men from the boys without judging it off age or experience.
Youve got alot to learn and you should sit back, listen and learn from us so called newbies. Quit being stubborn!!
poles at dawn guys :o
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here we go again ::)
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Youve got alot to learn and you should sit back, listen and learn from us so called newbies. Quit being stubborn!!
I can learn from you? ;D
What? How to spout utter tripe on a forum?
How to make £500 per day? ;D
Find something else to talk about...like Lego. ::)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lol
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Youve got alot to learn and you should sit back, listen and learn from us so called newbies. Quit being stubborn!!
I can learn from you? ;D
What? How to spout utter tripe on a forum?
How to make £500 per day? ;D
Find something else to talk about...like Lego. ::)
Well youll never know if its possible will you, cos youve dismissed it from the start! Because you cant do it you think its not possible. Half the battle is believing it can be done. All i can say is come down to Anglesey for the day and ill show you, then you will believe and then just then you might achieve it to. Ill pop the kettle on now shall i?!!
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Youve got alot to learn and you should sit back, listen and learn from us so called newbies. Quit being stubborn!!
I can learn from you? ;D
What? How to spout utter tripe on a forum?
How to make £500 per day? ;D
Find something else to talk about...like Lego. ::)
so childish , how do you know he cant do £500 with 2 men ?
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Youve got alot to learn and you should sit back, listen and learn from us so called newbies. Quit being stubborn!!
I can learn from you? ;D
What? How to spout utter tripe on a forum?
How to make £500 per day? ;D
Find something else to talk about...like Lego. ::)
Well youll never know if its possible will you, cos youve dismissed it from the start! Because you cant do it you think its not possible. Half the battle is believing it can be done. All i can say is come down to Anglesey for the day and ill show you, then you will believe and then just then you might achieve it to. Ill pop the kettle on now shall i?!!
He does have a good point there squeaky.
And believing in yourself is key
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Youve got alot to learn and you should sit back, listen and learn from us so called newbies. Quit being stubborn!!
I can learn from you? ;D
What? How to spout utter tripe on a forum?
How to make £500 per day? ;D
Find something else to talk about...like Lego. ::)
so childish , how do you know he cant do £500 with 2 men ?
You can just tell by the type of person.
I'm a good judge of character.
Sounds more like a preaching evangelist than a fast window cleaner. ::)
You can listen to the rubbish on here if you want, or you can get on with making good money and ignore the loudmouths who think they're better than you.
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JD in all your posts you work seven days a week and spend all hours cleaning and earn 500 quid all very well
What are you doing like us infront of your PC on a monday Morning?????
Just a thought as I want to know lol
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Ive never said i work 7 days a week. I get through all my work in 3 1/2 days. Today im catching up on office work and returning potential customer enquiry calls. which is as important if not more as going out cleaning.
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Squeaky and jdemarco
be nice to each other, squeaks he has different outlook to you m8 thats all, you cant fault his enthusiam
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true his enthusiasm is spot on just has to be carefull in not winding guys up
they work there way and di marco works his way
I can see both points
I want more work so I am off out to canvess and leaflett drop soon
but about to order my wfp as winter is drawing in and want the safety of working on my lonesome
Regards All J
CWC
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true his enthusiasm is spot on just has to be carefull in not winding guys up
they work there way and di marco works his way
I can see both points
I want more work so I am off out to canvess and leaflett drop soon
but about to order my wfp as winter is drawing in and want the safety of working on my lonesome
Regards All J
CWC
What system for you getting Jago??