Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Davew on October 04, 2007, 04:35:08 pm
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I know Jeff has some. Anyone got a link for them? I've got some fairly high insides to do with shiney floors and I hate ladders at the best of times.
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I got 3 sets ;D ;D here is the link,
if you are a member of the apwc you get a 10% discount ;) but I'm also happy to say, that if your a member of the Training academy, we can also offer you a 10% dicount.
http://laddatec.com/
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Yes I am a member (I think I was) but can't remember my user name, password or the site address. ::)
Thanks Jeff
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Yes I am a member (I think I was) but can't remember my user name, password or the site address. ::)
Thanks Jeff
Give me a few minutes and I'll search for your details, so long as you know your password. if not I can give you a new password.
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Jeff
Be honest, are those things any good? No offense but they look real mickey mouse. ABRU used to make those things years ago and they were rubbish then. Used to fall of or slide down the ladder. You would catch on stuff as you moved the ladder around. These have a better look to them but has the design been improved? How easy are they, how effective?
I tried a Laddermate. Didn't like it at all. Very inconvenient. It involved leaving the ladder unattended while you went back for the thing. No good at all.
I was thinking of using the Ankalad as it permanently fixes to the ladder and folds away when not in use. Anyone tried them ???
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Blimey Ankalad's a bit pricey.
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Yes I am a member (I think I was) but can't remember my user name, password or the site address. ::)
Thanks Jeff
Dave if you remember your password? then your login details are the same AS ON HERE, I can't presonally give you the link or they will ban me :'( :'(
email me or some nice other person can post it?Jeff
Be honest, are those things any good? No offense but they look real mickey mouse. ABRU used to make those things years ago and they were rubbish then. Used to fall of or slide down the ladder. You would catch on stuff as you moved the ladder around. These have a better look to them but has the design been improved? How easy are they, how effective?
I tried a Laddermate. Didn't like it at all. Very inconvenient. It involved leaving the ladder unattended while you went back for the thing. No good at all.
I was thinking of using the Ankalad as it permanently fixes to the ladder and folds away when not in use. Anyone tried them ???
Steve I have 3 sets of the ladder limpets and one set is the old type, the new ones has been redesigned, I did a post some time back where I actually put 2 sets onto my ladder over a lean too roof with the second set on the roof,
It was like walking up a staircase and were solid, It takes seconds and I mean seconds, to put them on and remove them, there not made to stay on while you move your ladder around, because the ground is never the same.
I would recommend them to anyone and I'm NOT a sales rep for them, but we did manage to talk them into giving our members a discount in return for advertising them on our forum, and I wouldn't recommend anything I had not personally tried myself.
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Thanks Jeff. It's good to get a personal recommendation. The old design was probably the ABRU design rebranded.
Do you have to leave the ladder anattended at all? I know this sounds silly as we all used to leave our ladders unattended years ago. But a lot of our contracts stipulate that they should never be left unattended.
I was wondering if the limpets would stay on while you move the ladder. Then maybe you can adjust them once you are at the next window.
How much safer is the ladder would you say? Side slip, back slip, twisting (stability you have mentioned already)
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Blimey Ankalad's a bit pricey.
Yes, I agree Dave. This is why I am checking if it is any good. The laddermate was not cheap (£75 I think) and I was very dissappointed. DOn't want to put good money after bad.
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Blimey Ankalad's a bit pricey.
Yes, I agree Dave. This is why I am checking if it is any good. The laddermate was not cheap (£75 I think) and I was very dissappointed. DOn't want to put good money after bad.
Give me an hour to reply Late for appointments ::) ::)
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Found the site - George had it. ;)
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Give me an hour to reply Late for appointments ::) ::)
No problem. Speak to you later!
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Thanks Jeff. It's good to get a personal recommendation. The old design was probably the ABRU design rebranded.
Do you have to leave the ladder anattended at all? I know this sounds silly as we all used to leave our ladders unattended years ago. But a lot of our contracts stipulate that they should never be left unattended.
I was wondering if the limpets would stay on while you move the ladder. Then maybe you can adjust them once you are at the next window.
How much safer is the ladder would you say? Side slip, back slip, twisting (stability you have mentioned already)
The old one was called the stableleg.
I wouldn't recommend moving your ladder with them fitted, they will only slip down the style's saying that, if you made the fitting tight enough they probablly wouldn't slip and you could make adjustments after the ladder was in position.
Side slip I can't say about, as I never had this problem, I'm sure it will give details on there web-site?
back slip I can say about, as I had them fitted when the ladder was on some types of floors you would only normally feel safe with someone footing your ladder, but the limpet held me there.
I have not suffered any twisting when the limpet was fitted, I do feel more safer with it fitted, at least the Bu**ers can't walk off and answer a mobile phone when your up the ladder? (I had that happen to me ::) )
One more plus for it, Trevor Knights crew use them.
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i use a ladder m8trix heres a link feel very safe on it http://www.ladderstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_76&products_id=611
not sure if this is the cheapest place
also link for video of it being used
http://www.ladderstore.com/product_additional.php?cPath=15_76&products_id=611&display_id=ladderm8rix.php
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ABRU Laddatec:
I've used them for years on external ladder work, they're very good at preventing your ladder from side twisting BUT I wouldn't recommend using them internally on slippery floor surfaces or externally on decking because they are liable to slip if the ladder should jolt quickly whilst working up it.
If they are fitted to your ladder they do give a slight warning if the ladder has slipped a little back, enough time to get down from your ladder without falling where normally the ladder would have slipped straight down the wall without that second or two's warning.
They are an aid to use with your ladder to help minimise the risk of falling from your ladder BUT just because you have them fitted don't be lured into a false sense of security thinking that they can't possibly slip because they can.
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Here is a pic of me up the ladder doing guttering, if you look closley on the pitched roof, you will see the old set fitted and at the bottom is one of my new sets, It was like working on a solid stair case.
Along with the stand off, the limpet stopped the ladder causing any damage to the lower guttering.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/jeffo_01/workwithlimpet007Small-1.jpg)
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ABRU Laddatec:
I've used them for years on external ladder work, they're very good at preventing your ladder from side twisting BUT I wouldn't recommend using them internally on slippery floor surfaces or externally on decking because they are liable to slip if the ladder should jolt quickly whilst working up it.
If they are fitted to your ladder they do give a slight warning if the ladder has slipped a little back, enough time to get down from your ladder without falling where normally the ladder would have slipped straight down the wall without that second or two's warning.
They are an aid to use with your ladder to help minimise the risk of falling from your ladder BUT just because you have them fitted don't be lured into a false sense of security thinking that they can't possibly slip because they can.
Thanks Wayne
I am looking for something to allow employees to use a ladder safely. I don't know if the limpets are enough. They look easy to use for a one man business.
Jeff
Nice setup. Solves one problem. That of plastic gutters. I cannot allow an employee to put a ladder against plastic guttering. You have found a way around that. Looks very solid.
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ABRU Laddatec:
I've used them for years on external ladder work, they're very good at preventing your ladder from side twisting BUT I wouldn't recommend using them internally on slippery floor surfaces or externally on decking because they are liable to slip if the ladder should jolt quickly whilst working up it.
If they are fitted to your ladder they do give a slight warning if the ladder has slipped a little back, enough time to get down from your ladder without falling where normally the ladder would have slipped straight down the wall without that second or two's warning.
They are an aid to use with your ladder to help minimise the risk of falling from your ladder BUT just because you have them fitted don't be lured into a false sense of security thinking that they can't possibly slip because they can.
Thanks Wayne
I am looking for something to allow employees to use a ladder safely. I don't know if the limpets are enough. They look easy to use for a one man business.
Jeff
Nice setup. Solves one problem. That of plastic gutters. I cannot allow an employee to put a ladder against plastic guttering. You have found a way around that. Looks very solid.
Steve it is solid, if it had a hand rail you could run up the ladder, there is no flex or bounce in the ladders the way I have set it up. don't forget the stand off also helped to take it out away from the wall a little.
Without the limpet, there is no way I would be up that ladder at that angle without someone footing it for me.
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If it was me going up the ladder, no problem. I am just terrified that an employee will fall.
I used to go above the gutter with one foot on the ladder, one foot on the roof, no footing. I must have been mad. Ladder slipped on me a couple of times. First time i had just put my scrim back in my pocket. Managed to grab the window ledge and stayed on the roof. The ladder hit the deck. Got someone to put the ladder back up. Second time I kept hold of the ladder, it slipped straight back and fell straight down. Bounced off the glass of the ground floor window (without breaking it) and rested on the sill. There I was, still gripping the ladder. Needed a cup of tea after that one. I can tell you.
I have had quite a few other near misses and one bad fall.
If I had been an employee I would be rich by now from all the court cases. That is why I must find a way to eliminate the risk.
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If it was me going up the ladder, no problem. I am just terrified that an employee will fall.
I used to go above the gutter with one foot on the ladder, one foot on the roof, no footing. I must have been mad. Ladder slipped on me a couple of times. First time i had just put my scrim back in my pocket. Managed to grab the window ledge and stayed on the roof. The ladder hit the deck. Got someone to put the ladder back up. Second time I kept hold of the ladder, it slipped straight back and fell straight down. Bounced off the glass of the ground floor window (without breaking it) and rested on the sill. There I was, still gripping the ladder. Needed a cup of tea after that one. I can tell you.
I have had quite a few other near misses and one bad fall.
If I had been an employee I would be rich by now from all the court cases. That is why I must find a way to eliminate the risk.
A very good point Steve
But what you have to remember is by supplying your employee's with ladder safety device's the onus is on them to use it, and you will be covered, how do you think company's like BT manage?
Also make sure they have ladder training and you have covered all aspects of safety.
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Steve I made some Inquiry's to ladderlimpet for you and the director kindly got back to me with these comments regarding leaving the limpet on the ladder when you move it.
It is possible to leave the LaddaLimpet connected when you move the ladder. I personally have found this awkward, so I have never bothered, I just clip them on and off, however, to give an alternative method of resetting the product, simply slide the stabilizers up the stiles to just above your waist height, holding both stabilizer heads rotate anti-clockwise and the pins will lock in the opposite direction to normal use.
Still holding the heads, lift the ladder and move to new position, rotate heads clockwise, slide them down the stiles and reset them in new position. This sounds a bit complicated but it may be that many of your window cleaners may prefer to use this method rather than unclipping them -
So the answer to your previous question is Yes they can be left on while moving your ladder. hth ;)
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Jeff
Nice one. Thanks mate. This makes sense to me. Wouldn't have to go back to pick up the limpets and can hold bucket with other hand
But what you have to remember is by supplying your employee's with ladder safety device's the onus is on them to use it, and you will be covered, how do you think company's like BT manage?
Also make sure they have ladder training and you have covered all aspects of safety.
I have been told that, as well as supplying and training, I or a supervisor need to enforce the use of the stabilising device. So if I supply it and they choose not to use it, I have no defence. Sounds mad but this seems to be the legal position.
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Hello folks,
I have been speaking with Ian for some time now and following our meeting I am pleased to anounce that I have negotiated a 10% discount for CIU and APWC members. When ordering quote your user name and once it is verifyied you can place your order.
I have tested this bit of kit and from a personal opinion I think it's the best one on the market. My guy's use it for all ladder work and I have to say it really is the business.
This picture shows how stable you can be, obviously in a working practice you MUST ensure the top of the ladder is supported but this is just an example of how sturdy this equipment makes your ladder.
It fits in seconds and is extremely versatile with uneven grouns as well as simple to use.
Give I an a call as see for yourself, an before any of you think it, no I am not on commission for the discount or any other kind of financial benefit, it's just a good product that we should be using in my opinion.
Best wishes and safe ladder use!!!
Trevor
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i have to say know impressed!
Would they help on un level ground???
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There not cheap @ £100 a pair though are they?
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Less than sixty I think.
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i have to say know impressed!
Would they help on un level ground???
Here is the link so you can have a read, they are excellent for uneven ground, just check on there web and see how many ways they can be used.
http://laddatec.com/
There not cheap @ £100 a pair though are they?
£49.99 including the VAT
Hello folks,
I have been speaking with Ian for some time now and following our meeting I am pleased to anounce that I have negotiated a 10% discount for CIU and APWC members. When ordering quote your user name and once it is verifyied you can place your order.
I have tested this bit of kit and from a personal opinion I think it's the best one on the market. My guy's use it for all ladder work and I have to say it really is the business.
This picture shows how stable you can be, obviously in a working practice you MUST ensure the top of the ladder is supported but this is just an example of how sturdy this equipment makes your ladder.
It fits in seconds and is extremely versatile with uneven grouns as well as simple to use.
Give I an a call as see for yourself, an before any of you think it, no I am not on commission for the discount or any other kind of financial benefit, it's just a good product that we should be using in my opinion.
Best wishes and safe ladder use!!!
Trevor
Brilliant demo there Trev ;)
Ian puts them to the test now with wheels fitted to the top and bottom of the ladder, now with this sort of test, no way can a ladder stay up against a wall without sliding back down it, once the limpet is fitted even with these wheels on, they stay where there put.
He has also been doing tests this week with huge amounts of weight on the ladder, I forget what the total weight was, but I know if any of you guy's weigh this amount, then you shouldn't be going up ladders anyway.