Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: SonOfFormby on September 19, 2007, 10:55:33 pm
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I have started using WFP for just the upstairs windows, due to the fact I keep running out of water, and waste 30-40 mins going home to fill up.What do you do and why?
Lee
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What about a DI vessel & top up from custy's outside taps ?
tony
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Up & down for me,
once you have done your first 2 or 3 cleans you should be able to turn your water flow down.
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tops bottoms wfp the lot :)
brett
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Top & Bottom.
I started with a backpack just to do tops only. After a couple of days i was doing the downstairs as well.
Couldn't see the point of getting WFP gear out, then putting it away to do bottom trad.
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I have started using WFP for just the upstairs windows, due to the fact I keep running out of water, and waste 30-40 mins going home to fill up.What do you do and why?
Lee
what size tank do you have lee? and how long does it last you
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I have started using WFP for just the upstairs windows, due to the fact I keep running out of water, and waste 30-40 mins going home to fill up.What do you do and why?
Lee
what size tank do you have lee? and how long does it last you
250l and 3 x 25l jerry cans...lasts til just after lunchtime :o
Lee
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I have started using WFP for just the upstairs windows, due to the fact I keep running out of water, and waste 30-40 mins going home to fill up.What do you do and why?
Lee
what size tank do you have lee? and how long does it last you
250l and 3 x 25l jerry cans...lasts til just after lunchtime :o
Lee
can you not get a bigger tank or another 250l tank.
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Started up in a bit of a rush, broke the bank, I bought a caddy so payload wont allow really.Ideally I need a dispatch/expert and put my 650l tank in it.
At least I'm on the ladder ;D
Lee
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Started up in a bit of a rush, broke the bank, I bought a caddy so payload wont allow really.Ideally I need a dispatch/expert and put my 650l tank in it.
At least I'm on the ladder ;D
Lee
if payload will not cover the weight dont bother m8 what is the payload by the way, and I am guessing you have a flow controller fitted?
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Started up in a bit of a rush, broke the bank, I bought a caddy so payload wont allow really.Ideally I need a dispatch/expert and put my 650l tank in it.
At least I'm on the ladder ;D
Lee
if payload will not cover the weight dont bother m8 what is the payload by the way, and I am guessing you have a flow controller fitted?
Payload is 600kg so 400l tank would be pushing it I think.Yes I have a vari-flow, am just messing with the settings at mo to get it right, which may make a difference, and when I speed up a bit, that may save some water too!!
Lee
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buy two di vessels, pump in the pure water as much as poss, and then if you need more fill up at lunch time,
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buy two di vessels, pump in the pure water as much as poss, and then if you need more fill up at lunch time,
Do you think wasting 30-40 mins filling up at lunchtime outweighs going trad downstairs and not going home,time wise,bearing in mind I don't break for lunch.
Lee
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buy two di vessels, pump in the pure water as much as poss, and then if you need more fill up at lunch time,
Do you think wasting 30-40 mins filling up at lunchtime outweighs going trad downstairs and not going home,time wise,bearing in mind I don't break for lunch.
Lee
easy way to work that out is to try it m8, for a day at the worst it will take an extra hour, at the end of the day you are starting up you will find what works best from you, when the funds are better I would go for bigger tank.
do you have van mount with RO? if you do could you fill up a bit on bigger houses ?
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Payload is 600kg so 400l tank would be pushing it I think
My van has a payload of the same too. am still fitting a 400l tank tho but will not fill it over 300lit. surly after your first few cleans that should be enuf and turning the flow down a little bit .. i think anyway.
Dave
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Top & Bottom.
I started with a backpack just to do tops only. After a couple of days i was doing the downstairs as well.
Couldn't see the point of getting WFP gear out, then putting it away to do bottom trad.
My thoughts exactly ;)
I use a BP ALL the time and use about 200ltr a day max
David
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Son of Formby you want to get off the ladder mate not on it.
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What about a DI vessel & top up from custy's outside taps ?
tony
Just to make my earlier post clearer-
You would fill your tanks at full mains pressure from custy's tap & pump through DI vessel to pole so there would be very little time waiting to fill tank.
tony
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buy two di vessels, pump in the pure water as much as poss, and then if you need more fill up at lunch time,
Do you think wasting 30-40 mins filling up at lunchtime outweighs going trad downstairs and not going home,time wise,bearing in mind I don't break for lunch.
Lee
easy way to work that out is to try it m8, for a day at the worst it will take an extra hour, at the end of the day you are starting up you will find what works best from you, when the funds are better I would go for bigger tank.
do you have van mount with RO? if you do could you fill up a bit on bigger houses ?
I also have to take into account water costs as house we moved into 18 months ago has a water meter :(
I did buy the 650 baffled van tank I use in my garage intentionally so when I get a bigger van I can just put it straight in there...and presto...problem solved ;D
Lee
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I originally fitted a control valve to my poles and found that I got fed up of using a second hand to reach over and turn the water on and off. It also wasted a lot of water whilst I was reaching over to turn it on and off.
So in response to other posts about using the Numatic George trigger I fitted them to my two poles and they worked real well.
On my first day with them, 125 ltrs lasted from 8.45am to 3.30pm with no break. I was doing upstairs only wfp, 2up & 2down houses back & front for most of the time and was amazed how far the water went. This was critical for me as I too am on a meter and can't afford to waste a drop.
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Where abouts are you Lee?
Macc
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It might be a pain at the moment but you will naturally learn to use less water the longer you use wfp.
I would avoid doing the bottoms trad as some of your customers might expect you to continue doing this after you go back to wfp'ing all the windows.
The best place to start would be turning your variflow down a little and getting used
to it and then try a little more and so on.
Buy a trigger for you pole could be a sound inverstment in the meantime. When i started wfp i had the same problem sometimes. As a temporay measure I kinked the hose to stop the flow between windows and walking back to the van.
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Where abouts are you Lee?
Macc
Im in Eastbourne, on the sunny south coast. I have actually just bought 2 triggers for my poles, and have seen a pic of the finished job, but does anyone have a step by step guide to fitting trigger to pole....Thanks
Lee
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Where abouts are you Lee?
Macc
Im in Eastbourne, on the sunny south coast. I have actually just bought 2 triggers for my poles, and have seen a pic of the finished job, but does anyone have a step by step guide to fitting trigger to pole....Thanks
Lee
95% sure Matt will know or Joe/jeff they are very good like that.
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wots the numatic george trigger? were from and how much?
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I have started using WFP for just the upstairs windows, due to the fact I keep running out of water, and waste 30-40 mins going home to fill up.What do you do and why?
Lee
what size tank do you have lee? and how long does it last you
250l and 3 x 25l jerry cans...lasts til just after lunchtime :o
Lee
How many houses do you clean in a morning because you are using 325 litres, which most cleaners find will last for 1 1/2 or 2 days
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I dont agree that iit will last 1 and half 2 days but i can prob scrape a day out of that.
Most my windows dont sheet so the the flow needs to be quite high!
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Best place I've found for the trigger at the mo is on eBay. Item number: 130126212792
The watersop connector to fit it also on eBay. Item number: 230158331652
Before fitting it to the pole, carefully remove the tubing attached to the front of the trigger.
Fitting it to the pole is a piece of cake. Most of the pics I've seen of them on the net aren't complete. They don't show the mounting bracket that comes with them. It's clipped off the picture. They're made to fit on the tube of the numatic george carpet cleaner so they fit nicely straight on the pole. I've strapped mine on using large cable ties aquired from Maplins. The mounting bracket has two slots iether side of the mounting bracket which are perfect for slipping the cable ties through. I've fitted a third on the front of it for extra support but this is probably not necessary.
When it's fitted to your pole, in my case down near the base, extend the pole fully before cutting the pole hose to the required length. Leave yourself a reasonable loop of hose before cutting it and attaching it to where you removed the hose that came with it. The connector on the input side is a quick release one. If you want to use this (I found it very useful for transporting and carrying the pole) you'll need to purchase the above female waterstop connector. If not, then remove it and replace it with the brass connector taken from the end of the black hose you removed from the trigger (discarding the ball bearing valve from inside it).
Here's the pic of mine again,
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/trigger02.jpg)
Hope this helps,
Mark
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Best place I've found for the trigger at the mo is on eBay. Item number: 130126212792
The watersop connector to fit it also on eBay. Item number: 230158331652
Mark
Yeah got mine on Ebay £15 inc P+P
Lee
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Just added a pic and instructions for fitting to my prvious post.
Mark
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Just added a pic and instructions for fitting to my prvious post.
Mark
Thanks Mark.....project for the weekend sir ;D
Lee
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I have started using WFP for just the upstairs windows, due to the fact I keep running out of water, and waste 30-40 mins going home to fill up.What do you do and why?
Lee
what size tank do you have lee? and how long does it last you
250l and 3 x 25l jerry cans...lasts til just after lunchtime :o
Lee
How many houses do you clean in a morning because you are using 325 litres, which most cleaners find will last for 1 1/2 or 2 days
Probably about 7, this seems like not nearly enough out of this amount of water, so i'm gonna play with the flow controller,and try and install a trigger this weekend. Still learning too, but want to get it sorted as it's costing me time and money :(
Lee
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Just added a pic and instructions for fitting to my prvious post.
Mark
Thanks Mark.....project for the weekend sir ;D
Lee
Hi Lee.
I've triggers on my poles like that.
I live in Windmill Hill about 6 miles from you. Welcome to come over mate.
Macc
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Just added a pic and instructions for fitting to my prvious post.
Mark
Thanks Mark.....project for the weekend sir ;D
Lee
Hi Lee.
I've triggers on my poles like that.
I live in Windmill Hill about 6 miles from you. Welcome to come over mate.
Macc
If I have trouble how can I contact you macc? Also Do I NEED 6mm Microbore Quick Release Connector, or is that an optional extra, so trigger can be set up with out it?
Thanks
Lee
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The closest supplier to all us East Sussex boys is essentially pure.
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Also Do I NEED 6mm Microbore Quick Release Connector, or is that an optional extra, so trigger can be set up with out it?
Trigger can be set up without it but your hose will be permanently connected to your pole. Though you could make this a short length with a 6mm adapter to whatever hose your using to transfer the water to your pole. See pic.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/trigger01.jpg)
Mark
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Also Do I NEED 6mm Microbore Quick Release Connector, or is that an optional extra, so trigger can be set up with out it?
Trigger can be set up without it but your hose will be permanently connected to your pole. Though you could make this a short length with a 6mm adapter to whatever hose your using to transfer the water to your pole. See pic.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/milkman2912/trigger01.jpg)
Mark
Ahh I have 2 poles, 24ft and a small one for downstairs, so a quick release option seems like a good idea
Lee
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Ahh I have 2 poles, 24ft and a small one for downstairs, so a quick release option seems like a good idea
It is real quick! Mine weren't connected directly to my poles for more than a day before I purchased a quick release connector. Didn't like having all that hose hanging round my pole when carrying it either.
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Just added a pic and instructions for fitting to my prvious post.
Mark
Thanks Mark.....project for the weekend sir ;D
Lee
Hi Lee.
I've triggers on my poles like that.
I live in Windmill Hill about 6 miles from you. Welcome to come over mate.
Macc
If I have trouble how can I contact you macc? Also Do I NEED 6mm Microbore Quick Release Connector, or is that an optional extra, so trigger can be set up with out it?
Thanks
Lee
Hi Lee.
I have spares so i can help you out. I'm working at a mates in Hailsham in South Road today (Saturday) .
Give me a call on 07968 312703, bring your pole & trigger & we can sort the connections from my spares.
I can also tell you where i get all my spares in Hailsham for connections. It will take 10 mins to fit it to get you
up & running.
If you want help or i can give you some tips come over or phone me, my mobile is always on & i'll give you
my home number when we meet.
Macc
Macc
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The closest supplier to all us East Sussex boys is essentially pure.
There's a trade place on Station Road Industrial Estate in Hailsham. I will go in Monday
as i've got to order some bits For Dudekek, hes going to slap me as i've been so busy
not had time, sorry mate.
I will post up address, tel number, parts number & price, the prices are well
cheap & hes very helpfull.
Macc
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I have started using WFP for just the upstairs windows, due to the fact I keep running out of water, and waste 30-40 mins going home to fill up.What do you do and why?
Lee
what size tank do you have lee? and how long does it last you
250l and 3 x 25l jerry cans...lasts til just after lunchtime :o
Lee
How many houses do you clean in a morning because you are using 325 litres, which most cleaners find will last for 1 1/2 or 2 days
Probably about 7, this seems like not nearly enough out of this amount of water, so i'm gonna play with the flow controller,and try and install a trigger this weekend. Still learning too, but want to get it sorted as it's costing me time and money :(
Lee
Unless the 7 houses are mansions then I would say you are using too much water, for instance on a first clean I might use 25 litres, then when they are pristine I would use about 10 litres.
So with the amount of water that you are using I would clean 13 new and dirty houses or 32 houses and 1 bungelow.
I do not have a flow controller or trigger and the pump is a 100psi one, so you might be over washing.