Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: rah on September 17, 2007, 05:05:21 pm
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Hello Peeps,
Just a general query, are any of you guys subscribers to PWC magazine, if so, do you receive your copies as and when you should?
Rob.
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To get one, go to ionics website and request a brochure. They now have your address, you should get the next issue. No money involved. That's how I got mine. I presume. they come out of the blue and they are ionics adds now.
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I know it's part of ionics, i just received issue 10, but haven't had 5-9. I was one of the orginal subscribers to the mag.
Guess i'll take it up with Ionics, although i dont expect much joy...
cheers
Rob.
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Hello Peeps,
Just a general query, are any of you guys subscribers to PWC magazine, if so, do you receive your copies as and when you should?
Rob.
I subscribed last year in march. I got 1 issue. I did move house in september last year though so the other 11 copies might have come after i moved?? ::)
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Got a free one sent in the post the other day - never asked for it.
It is complete PAP !! Fact - no credibility at all IMO.
WHY ?
1) Because a manufacturer finances it.
2) Thay had an interesting , or so I thought, article comparing poles
Result.
Best two poles by miles were said manufacturer
Oh dear - Your a nice bloke Phil - but how you put your name to that, I don't know. How embarrassing !
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That's not really fair. There obviously wasn't enough subscribers to keep it going. Why shouldn't he tow the bosses line? That's were the money comes from. Its now free, so how can you possibly moan? Just treat it as an advert. And too be honest, the photos in the test said all they needed to. the ionic poles were the best.
And I don't have an ionics system btw
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It wasn't free for me. I paid £25 for 1 issue. Still, once bitten twice shy and all that.
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I agree with jon, a total waste of time, utter rubbish. Mine is where it belongs, in the bin!!! >:(
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Anyone can write a article for the mag, Phil has said on more than ond occasion that he would welcome any articles for the mag.
How about someone writting a article about a diy system they had fitted in there van, and how cheap it is compaired to a supplier bought one ;D
Then list where you got all your parts from
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Anyone can write a article for the mag, Phil has said on more than ond occasion that he would welcome any articles for the mag.
How about someone writting a article about a diy system they had fitted in there van, and how cheap it is compaired to a supplier bought one ;D
Then list where you got all your parts from
i might even subscribe again if that article ever appeared. :o
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Hi,
The FWC have a great window cleaning mag.
http://www.f-w-c.co.uk/
Kevin WINDOLENE
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That's not really fair. There obviously wasn't enough subscribers to keep it going. Why shouldn't he tow the bosses line? That's were the money comes from. Its now free, so how can you possibly moan? Just treat it as an advert. And too be honest, the photos in the test said all they needed to. the ionic poles were the best.
And I don't have an ionics system btw
It's a trade journal - supposedly.
I didn't mention about whether it was free or not
"And too be honest, the photos in the test said all they needed to. the ionic poles were the best. "
That was said tongue-in-cheek - I hope :o
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Well, i have only ever used Brodex Poles and still have the Original 45' pole i bought almost 4 years ago.
Cant fault them at all, great equipment and even better prices and i'm not biased, Just say it as i see it, I know peeps who have used Ionics poles and switched to Brodex for the service and price.
Rob.
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Well, i have only ever used Brodex Poles and still have the Original 45' pole i bought almost 4 years ago.
Cant fault them at all, great equipment and even better prices and i'm not biased, Just say it as i see it, I know peeps who have used Ionics poles and switched to Brodex for the service and price.
Rob.
You must be joking!!! ;D They are cr#p!!! :o
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Well, i have only ever used Brodex Poles and still have the Original 45' pole i bought almost 4 years ago.
Cant fault them at all, great equipment and even better prices and i'm not biased, Just say it as i see it, I know peeps who have used Ionics poles and switched to Brodex for the service and price.
Rob.
You must be joking!!! ;D They are cr#p!!! :o
Or is it the way they are used !
Rob.
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Grondhog, whats up with you man! if you think Brodex poles are crap, wow. A hundred other people on here might love them, whats the point!! TO MANY OPINIONS.
Some of these topics latley are getting a little childish its like some on here just love to whinge and moan about anything sometimes even stuff they know nothing about. Do you know I hate ferrari drivers but that doesn't mean to say that I wouldnt love to drive or own one!
Tell me this, why when I look around at some members sites here all I see is "Reach and Wash this" and "Reach and wash that" and a picture of some dodgy looking setup held in with straps!! I see IP Infringement everywere I look, for a brand that allot of you, for some strange reason TRY to put down? Now I go back to what I said earlier about Ferrari's.
I Will also like to add that we probably wouldnt be here now talking about wfp if it wasnt for OTT. I doubt Tucker could of done what OTT/Ionics did for the industry.
The magazine is a very good read. I for one enjoy reading it, as Im sure alot of you 'lets join the moaners club' do.
ProPole
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I agree, some of the stuff is very useful although it is biased towards Ionics own products, i wasnt complaining about the content, just the poor service, i paid for 4 issues and don't see how thats justified by only receiving one.
To date, still no answer from Ionics, Now there is a surprise.
Rob
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Grondhog, whats up with you man! if you think Brodex poles are crap, wow. A hundred other people on here might love them
The magazine is a very good read. I for one enjoy reading it, as Im sure alot of you 'lets join the moaners club' do.
ProPole
Well you obviously haven't read it very well as it also says Brodex poles are cr#p!!! ;D
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I enjoy reading it, Its cost me nothing.
Ionics won the Pole test in the mag. So I had a look at Gardiners web site last night as I know they have tested all the poles they supply just to see if ionics where the best on their tests.
Suprise Suprise Gardiners had removed all their test data on Ioincs polesdue to Ionics asking them to deleate the information.
If ionics poles are that good they would of been the winners. I dont know how good they where in gardiners tests as I never looked when the information was freely available.
Are Ionics c/f poles the most rigid? I dont know.
I had a good belly laugh reading moving from Trad w/c to wfp via Leasing equipment and van. If only it was as simple as Ioincs paint it to be.
Nel.
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I had a good belly laugh reading moving from Trad w/c to wfp via Leasing equipment and van. If only it was as simple as Ioincs paint it to be.
that was funny, not the moving to WFP, just the time scale ::) ::)
this post is funny, you have the people who can see whats what and you have the 'fan-boys' who really are sold the idea of ionics and will not see anything else
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Matthew,
I know that was aimed at me mate, Im not gonna bite just state a couple of things.
Firstly im not sold an 'idea' as you put it, I see it exactly how it is mate. I use many suppliers and try loads of different stuff from different company's, Ionics are not the only suppliers I buy from! But yes I own two Pro-5's because I personally believe them to stand out and be the best for certain reasons stated below. However your right and Im the first to admit they are basically the same as any other system, pure water on the end of a pole.
There's loads of things that appeal to me about them one is the brand and being legally allowed to use it, another is that the systems have never broke down with constant daily use in two years never so much as even made a strange noise!
I think that the ultimate reason is Its crashed tested which for me is a very very good point. Do you know how nice it feels driving along knowing the tank is fully secure and capable of taking kinetic energy of up to 640 tonnes its held by proper purpose made clamps and bolts with the Tatcham test number on, not 5 tonne straps or even worse that old trick you do and seatbelt tanks in the back of cars.
I switched to wfp to have a safer working life, I fell from a 20ft+ Ladder when I was 18, broke both wrists and nearly my back. I knew wfp was the way forward but didnt want to be crushed to death by some dodgy tank in the back of my van.
Hope it hasn't sounded like im having a dig matt just catching 'words' coming my way and throwing back a few facts ;)
ProPole
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I had a good belly laugh reading moving from Trad w/c to wfp via Leasing equipment and van. If only it was as simple as Ioincs paint it to be.
that was funny, not the moving to WFP, just the time scale ::) ::)
this post is funny, you have the people who can see whats what and you have the 'fan-boys' who really are sold the idea of ionics and will not see anything else
I guess you not a fan boy of ionics then Matt :o
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Propole,
Nobody can argue with your reasons for buying from Ioincs. Well thought out and very sound. Your right you cant put a price on your safety or peace of mind driving around with about a ton of weight fixed in one place depending on the size of tank.
I bought from facelift, 800 ltr tank which is fitted very securley with special clamps around the chassis rails underneath the van. I have 100% confidence in my system and the safety aspect. But I hope I am never involved in a collision, any speed over 50mph as I will be on a wing and a prayer. But I saved a lot of money in not buying it from Ioincs.
Fair play to Ionics they have crash tested their tank. But have they crash tested from multiple angles. Rear collision, Diffrent weights of tanks, Diffrent water levels,Diffrent vehicles carrying the tanks. Diffrent fittings, Ie if you have a stainless steel bolt fitted to the floor, it is not as strong as a high tenstile steel bolt. Thats why the enginer who made and fitted my tank would not use a stainless steel bolt as the stainless steel bolt would snap under pressure before the bolts he put on. Not haveing a go, they have crash tested, but their is more involved then that.
I wonder if they have had it crash tested more as a sales ploy then for safety reasons, IE they could sell more systems haveing the certificate and differentiating themselves from other suppliers. Its jut the opinion I formed when I had a Demonstration of their system at my house when I was looking into wfp. When I spoke to the ionics salesman about haveing a bulkhead in the van for safety reasons his reply was pointless, all you need is our crash tested cage.
I would recommend anyone haveing over a 650 ltr tank to go for one off a good company as its an hell of alot of weight to carry in one place.
I will have all the fixings checked next year as the van will be three years old and I think I will replace the fixing bolts as a precaution.
I had a special stainless steel frame made for my sons system(400) ltr lay flat tank which was designed by enginers and fitted by them. For the whole system it cost less then a grand. I have a lot of faith in that system in the event of an accident.
In the end if your happy with ionics thats fine, But I do think they charge more then what their products are worth.
Nel
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I think that the ultimate reason is Its crashed tested which for me is a very very good point. Do you know how nice it feels driving along knowing the tank is fully secure and capable of taking kinetic energy of up to 640 tonnes its held by proper purpose made clamps and bolts with the Tatcham test number on, not 5 tonne straps or even worse that old trick you do and seatbelt tanks in the back of cars.
ProPole
That is what is known as a false sense of security!! ::)
I think Ionics have brainwashed you Propole!!! ;D
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Nel,
A man talking sense ;) I dont think many of the top names are that much different from eachother. I dont even think I paid that much for my list price system, I cant see anywere much cheaper than the 3700 I paid for a Pro-5 650.
I remember seeing you sons system and was very impressed with how secure and pro it looked.
People should take note about this subject, Why risk saftey because of saving a few quid or at least anyone carrying weight should do so safley and in accordance with, The Code of Practise "Saftey of Loads on Vehicles". BS: 12195 Load Restraint Regulations.
ProPole
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Matthew,
I know that was aimed at me mate, Im not gonna bite just state a couple of things.
ProPole
not really aimed at you, just people like you :), but you do fit the bill well, you can see nothing wrong in anything ionics do, even the staged mag they send out and that feature about the guy who starts with his ionics system
even worse that old trick you do and seatbelt tanks in the back of cars.
lets put this to bed AGAIN, i have NEVER seat belted a tank in, i helped a guy setup a system, told him the bits to buy, HE MADE the decision to seat-belt them in, i have since corrected him and he has had bars welded under the boot and its straped in, that was still his choice
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Matthew,
I know that was aimed at me mate, Im not gonna bite just state a couple of things.
ProPole
not really aimed at you, just people like you :), but you do fit the bill well, you can see nothing wrong in anything ionics do, even the staged mag they send out and that feature about the guy who starts with his ionics system
even worse that old trick you do and seatbelt tanks in the back of cars.
lets put this to bed AGAIN, i have NEVER seat belted a tank in, i helped a guy setup a system, told him the bits to buy, HE MADE the decision to seat-belt them in, i have since corrected him and he has had bars welded under the boot and its straped in, that was still his choice
Matthew,
A post you wrote some time ago which is a little confusing because it contradicts everything you just said, how strange. what you said back then was Very dangerous if not very stupid. like I said why risk saftey!!
Re: Tanks in estate cars
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2006, 07:50:19 PM »
Ive helped fit a 200 L to a estate car, when you think of it, its only the same as a BIG FAT bloke sat in the rear seat
we seatbelted it in the rear seat, worked very well if im honest, and when / if i decide to go 100% WFP i will be doing the same
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24167.0
ProPole
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Matthew,
I know that was aimed at me mate, Im not gonna bite just state a couple of things.
ProPole
not really aimed at you, just people like you :), but you do fit the bill well, you can see nothing wrong in anything ionics do, even the staged mag they send out and that feature about the guy who starts with his ionics system
even worse that old trick you do and seatbelt tanks in the back of cars.
lets put this to bed AGAIN, i have NEVER seat belted a tank in, i helped a guy setup a system, told him the bits to buy, HE MADE the decision to seat-belt them in, i have since corrected him and he has had bars welded under the boot and its straped in, that was still his choice
Matthew,
A post you wrote some time ago which is a little confusing because it contradicts everything you just said, how strange. what you said back then was Very dangerous if not very stupid. like I said why risk saftey!!
Re: Tanks in estate cars
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2006, 07:50:19 PM »
Ive helped fit a 200 L to a estate car, when you think of it, its only the same as a BIG FAT bloke sat in the rear seat
we seatbelted it in the rear seat, worked very well if im honest, and when / if i decide to go 100% WFP i will be doing the same
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24167.0
ProPole
yes, but as i said, he made the decision not me, it was his car and system
upon advice from alex, i then told the guy he should change it
no contridition about that