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I meant drivers of mobility scooters ;D
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Published Date: 05 September 2007
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View GalleryA WINDOW cleaner fell 10ft on to the pavement after being knocked off his ladder by the driver of a mobility scooter.
Eye-witnesses said it appeared the scooter knocked into the ladder of window cleaner Sean Leighton while he was working in St Thomas Street.
He was lucky just to escape with a badly bruised leg and arm following his plunge as he was cleaning the exterior of Tanfastique and the In Stitches design and embroidery shops.
The new incident is just the latest case involving mobility scooters crashing into pedestrians. There has been mounting concern about the number of injured people, both locally and nationally.
In December last year a Scarborough pensioner was injured in a "hit and run" accident in Ramshill Road. In the previous month a holidaymaker was taken to hospital after being run down in Northway. Last month a Hunmanby woman claimed a the driver of a mobility scooter caused hundreds of pounds worth of damage when he collided into the side of her car.
A few months ago a woman in East London died after she was knocked down and crushed by a scooter while shopping.
Pat Geraghty, who runs Tanfastique, said: "I heard the clatter of the ladder and he just came flying down. The paramedics put a neck brace on him."
Her husband, Mick, who runs the adjacent shop, said: "The driver of the scooter admitted he must have caught the ladder. He was very upset and did not drive off.
"I saw the ladder come down, then the bucket and then Sean fell right past the window. It brought back memories of when a window cleaner died after falling near the Sun Inn."
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I can see some Die Hard trad cleaners coming on here in a minute saying,what`s wrong with that then.LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D
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how many trad w/c adhere to heath and safety 2005 regarding the use off ladders , still see some cleaning third level off ladders, walking on pitch roofs ,resting ladders on gutters , if they do not adhere to the directive then ladders are dangerous, risk there life and health for a few pounds, and the homeowners. do not care if they fall thats what one told me. ,
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Ladders are dangerous.....No they are not
It an idiot using them that makes the danger or in the case of this storey the idiot on a scooter.....who could just have easily run into someone using wfp which causes the 24 foot pole to crash down onto a third parties head.
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bugger the chistmas .decorations .
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I've had a ladder slip from under me and have taken a fall, and have had a number of close calls.
I don't think ladders are that safe, and I'm not a total idiot too (a bit of a one maybe; slightly above average on the idiot scale of 1 to 10; 10 being the worst).
Regulations aside, to be honest, I think ladders are dangerous. When you climb one 50 to 100 times a day, five days per week; month-after-month, you can get a bit 'slack' and over confident; and you know what they say about familiarity breeding contempt.
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Regulations aside, to be honest, I think ladders are dangerous. When you climb one 50 to 100 times a day, five days per week; month-after-month, you can get a bit 'slack' and over confident; and you know what they say about familiarity breeding contempt.
So in other words you've just agreed with what I said ie the person using the ladder is at fault NOT THE LADDER itself. ;)
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Tosh, for the ladder to slip you must have placed it on slippery ground or at an angle where it will slip.
It was your fault and not the fault of the ladder that is dangerous.
Anyone who can't use ladders in a safe manner should go WFP as they are giving pro window cleaners bad press. ::) ::) ;D
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Oh, D.A it seems that you spend time trawling the internet for story's about accidents with ladders and then post them on this forum.
Is this a comfort thing ? ???
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if they do not adhere to the directive then ladders are dangerous, risk there life and health for a few pounds, and the homeowners. do not care if they fall thats what one told me. ,
next time someone says that to you point out that they are liable for the workmen that they employ that will take the smugness off their face.
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Oh, D.A it seems that you spend time trawling the internet for story's about accidents with ladders and then post them on this forum.
Is this a comfort thing ? ???
Nope I read the cleaning sites which pick up these links.
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Ladders aren't dangerous at all, so long as they are:
1. Kept horizontal
2. not a trip hazard,
3. never used for their intended purpose
;) ;D ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It doesn't matter how careful you are with ladders,.. in my opinion its only a matter of time.
I still use ladders occasionally, but only when there is not other alternative.
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hi windowwashers it only applys to commercal work that they are liable and not to homeowners maybe h/s sould change it so it includes houses too , w/c who do have a fall and get injuried and cause damage maybe there insurance might not pay up and then what would the homeowner do
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Ladders aren't dangerous at all, so long as they are:
1. Kept horizontal
2. not a trip hazard,
3. never used for their intended purpose
;) ;D ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It doesn't matter how careful you are with ladders,.. in my opinion its only a matter of time.
I still use ladders occasionally, but only when there is not other alternative.
Rubbish!
Why should it just be a matter of time?
I was posting hoardings in the outdoor advertising business for over 25 years.
3 X18 foot sliders put up on your own to post a board.
Never had an accident because I was always careful. Putting up ladders on a normal two storey house is like kiddies play.
Health and safety have clobbered that job as now you have to be strapped on if you are up two rungs which cuts down the money you can earn as the job takes double the time. >:(
You nancy boys who are afeared of ladders don't know you are born. ;D
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Tosh
There were more pictures that you did not post ,the man lifting the ladder was also put on the shoulders of the man behind to reach the next floor, and so on until they reached the top floor
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Oh, D.A it seems that you spend time trawling the internet for story's about accidents with ladders and then post them on this forum.
Is this a comfort thing ? ???
Seems you only jump up when there is post about ladders ::) is this a comfort thing :P ;D
Andy
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Neil271052, You sound like a guy who thinks the invention of the wheel was OK, but we'd've been fine without it ;) Ladders have their place, but wfp HAS been invented and no amount of bullsh*t spouted can convince me that it's not better to clean windows standing on your feet rather than standing on a ladder.
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Regulations aside, to be honest, I think ladders are dangerous. When you climb one 50 to 100 times a day, five days per week; month-after-month, you can get a bit 'slack' and over confident; and you know what they say about familiarity breeding contempt.
So in other words you've just agreed with what I said ie the person using the ladder is at fault NOT THE LADDER itself. ;)
Isn't that the same argument used for guns? It's a naff argument though. Screw drivers aren't dangerous either, but give one to a nutter who wants to stick in your head; and it becomes dangerous.
We're only human at the end of the day, and it's human to make mistakes.
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It doesn't matter how careful you are with ladders,.. in my opinion its only a matter of time.
Well it's a bit of a strange opinion then.
I used ladders for 9 years with no problems, and so do many others.
Of course it matters how careful you are.
You'd have to be pretty careless to fall off. ::)
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The only way to get off the ladder as far as WC goes is to prove to the customer that it does as good a job if not better,that`s the only way your gonna convince them.A couple of custies said to me at the start the proof is in the pudding,they have made no comment since.Mine wouldn`t put up with a rubbish job so them saying nothing is good enough for me,and there are other WCS they could go to if they wanted to.
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the shop was called stiches an accodent waiting to happen ?
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Neil271052, You sound like a guy who thinks the invention of the wheel was OK, but we'd've been fine without it ;) Ladders have their place, but wfp HAS been invented and no amount of bullsh*t spouted can convince me that it's not better to clean windows standing on your feet rather than standing on a ladder.
Not at all, I'm all for new technology but I don't think ladders are as frightening as some make out. It is no hardship to me and is in fact very good exercise(the only exercise I get bar walking the dog :D)
I am a trad WCer and although I could easily afford go over to WFP I choose not to, I've seen them pulling their hoses around the garden. ;)
Actually I have picked up quite a few jobs from customers who had WCers go over to WFP and they didn't like it,
"saturates all my frames, water running down the walls etc etc."
Now I know that in the right hands a WFP is an excellent tool but my customers like the personal touch and are willing to pay for it.
So that is how I will carry on in the foreseeable future. :)
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Quote - "saturates all my frames, water running down the walls etc etc."
I just say to them so when it starts raining you run outside and try and deflect all that rain that runs down your frames and walls, or do you have a phobia of water.
That solves the problem as they realise they have a phobia of wfp ;D
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Quote - "saturates all my frames, water running down the walls etc etc."
I just say to them so when it starts raining you run outside and try and deflect all that rain that runs down your frames and walls, or do you have a phobia of water.
That solves the problem as they realise they have a phobia of wfp ;D
Since when does your house get saturated walls from rain? ::)
Most of it is shielded by the eaves or roof.
You get far more water everywhere with wfp.
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Neil, you can't make any comments on here against WFP, they won't like you for it.
I use WFP but only as and when needed because it's a tool, I much prefere to Trad cos it's a lot less hastle and gives better results. When the glass is left wet you can't see if the glass has a good finish. What with spots, runs, water left on paths and in winter it could freeze which is another hazaed , it goes on and on.
With Trad the glass is left dry and you see the end results.
Alot of WFP guys go for quantity and don't care too much about quality.
Ladders are safe if used as they should be ! and it annoys me when guys who have never used ladders slag them off .
WFP bring problems which keeps this forum going and trad means you do the job pack up and go home giving a great finish whether the frames are upvc, wood, aluminium oxidized or whatever.
Rant over.
Regards to all.
;) ;) ;) ;D
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Quote "Since when does your house get saturated walls from rain?"
The side of the house that does not have a gutter will always be saturated by rain, it is more noticeable in winter where you will see the walls are wet.
Also I was concerned of wet patches on the walls below the sill and thought it was wfp, until I noticed it on houses which were done by trad also had this.
Yes wfp does leave a small amount of water but compared to the rain we have had this year it is like a bucket in an ocean. ;D
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Neil271052, You sound like a guy who thinks the invention of the wheel was OK, but we'd've been fine without it ;) Ladders have their place, but wfp HAS been invented and no amount of bullsh*t spouted can convince me that it's not better to clean windows standing on your feet rather than standing on a ladder.
Not at all, I'm all for new technology but I don't think ladders are as frightening as some make out. It is no hardship to me and is in fact very good exercise(the only exercise I get bar walking the dog :D)
I am a trad WCer and although I could easily afford go over to WFP I choose not to, I've seen them pulling their hoses around the garden. ;)
Actually I have picked up quite a few jobs from customers who had WCers go over to WFP and they didn't like it,
"saturates all my frames, water running down the walls etc etc."
Now I know that in the right hands a WFP is an excellent tool but my customers like the personal touch and are willing to pay for it.
So that is how I will carry on in the foreseeable future. :)
Hi Neil, they were the same things I thought till i had a car crash last year that nearly killed me, made me think quite hard I have three kids that need me and a wife that spends money like it is going out of fashion, going up and down a ladder however good you think you are is dangerous you are on a waiting list to fall same as me and anyone using ladders however careful you think you are, one mistake one moving stone one slip, this is all it takes then can be game over, I have been looking at wfp for years now, first it came out all ladders are going to be banned, looked right into that (seems it was started by companies just trying to sell systems (worked great as it scared poeple into it) I looked right into it and funny enough it was a complete lie, ladders are getting banned etc. after a year or more i looked again and was put off again, I am now buying a van system (why) because I value my family and is 1000% safer than using a ladder, and at the end of the day will also make more money, thats the whole point of working in the first place, as for personal touch I will always give this to every customer I clean or my guys, yes people are going to say certain things about the change as alot do not like change, but if explained to them correctly they cant have a problem with it, I do not at the mo clean frames unless they pay extra for it ( i am trad to m8) when i go to wfp this will be done everytime so frames will get wet, anyone saying i dont like them getting wet is a little silly really as the rain will make them wet even if the roof covers some of it, rain changes direction ::) I am guessing the jobs you picked up from wfp companies was either becuase they did not take the time to explain to the customer the benifits and safety issues or they just did not do the job correctly. When I start all will get a 100% guarantee as we do with any work we do.
hope you see the point I am making, your safety is most important ;)
Ladders are safe if used as they should be ! and it annoys me when guys who have never used ladders slag them off .
WFP bring problems which keeps this forum going and trad means you do the job pack up and go home giving a great finish whether the frames are upvc, wood, aluminium oxidized or whatever.
Rant over.
Regards to all.
;) ;) ;) ;D
Ladders are safe if they are on your van/car as soon as you take a step off the floor the safe issue goes out the window so to speak, I use them every day doing trad window cleaning (they are not safe and our bodies are not made for impact when falling off them for many many reasons some people fall off ladders that is through no fault of there own " a push bike can hit them a dog can jump up etc that list is endless, so safe I have to totally disagree there sry.
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Squeaks makes a point here of saying you have to be 'careless' to fall off, which to me indicates 'stupid' to fall off.
I used ladders for 9 years with no problems, and so do many others.
Of course it matters how careful you are.
You'd have to be pretty careless to fall off. ::)
But in another post Squeaks says:
When I did them off a ladder they scared the poo out of me.
They're pretty high with sloping gardens.
(Full text of post here: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=42414.20#msg337843)
So my question is, if Squeaks - an (ex) ladder user is 'poo scared' when using his ladder on certain jobs, how careful can he have used it?
(Sorry to pick on you, Rog, I'm just using you as the typical example of an (now ex) over-confident ladder-only user)
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Squeaks makes a point here of saying you have to be 'careless' to fall off, which to me indicates 'stupid' to fall off.
I used ladders for 9 years with no problems, and so do many others.
Of course it matters how careful you are.
You'd have to be pretty careless to fall off. ::)
But in another post Squeaks says:
When I did them off a ladder they scared the poo out of me.
They're pretty high with sloping gardens.
(Full text of post here: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=42414.20#msg337843)
So my question is, if Squeaks - an (ex) ladder user is 'poo scared' when using his ladder on certain jobs, how careful can he have used it?
(Sorry to pick on you, Rog, I'm just using you as the typical example of an (now ex) over-confident ladder-only user)
Hes off the waiting list to fall and fair play to him, I myself try and be as careful as i can, My m8 son broke his back a couple of years ago falling he was 23, so me thinks squeaks made a very good choice ;)
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I still regularly use a ladder; I climbed one four times today; but I promise you, I was extremely carefull every time, more so since I don't climb it so much these days.
Shame they're wobbly B & Q ladders; but they fit on my estate nicely!
I know, I know!
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I still regularly use a ladder; I climbed one four times today; but I promise you, I was extremely carefull every time, more so since I don't climb it so much these days.
Shame they're wobbly B & Q ladders; but they fit on my estate nicely!
I know, I know!
im guessing you are not insured then, you may want to check with insurance if they cover domestic ladders for trade work ;)
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What a load of old sh**e. Do your thing, whether it be poles or ladders. Mind yer own business and stop slagging off other systems.
I use wfp but I say live and let live. If it weren't for the traditional ladder using window cleaner what would we have done years ago?
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;D was working in leeds last summer,in some back to back terraces where this trad wc was flying around the houses-gave me the inspiration.i wondered how the hell he could clean those windows at what i'd call stupid angles(not steep enough for me)i watched him for over 1/2 hour and i sussed it,he had some timber ladders with a steel spikes sticking out from the bottom of the ladders and he stuck them in the tarmac outside the houses he cleaned (he'd pre-drilled holes into the tarmac path)no slipping the whole footpaths were littered with two foot wide holes all over-thats clever
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;D was working in leeds last summer,in some back to back terraces where this trad wc was flying around the houses-gave me the inspiration.i wondered how the hell he could clean those windows at what i'd call stupid angles(not steep enough for me)i watched him for over 1/2 hour and i sussed it,he had some timber ladders with a steel spikes sticking out from the bottom of the ladders and he stuck them in the tarmac outside the houses he cleaned (he'd pre-drilled holes into the tarmac path)no slipping the whole footpaths were littered with two foot wide holes all over-thats clever
Cant see my customers going for the holes in tarmac thing, but fair play to the guy, least he works safe as he can
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me things I thought till i had a car crash last year that nearly killed me, made me think quite hard I have three kids that need me and a wife that spends money like it is going out of fashion, going up and down a ladder however good you think you are is dangerous you are on a waiting list to fall same as me and anyone using ladders however careful you think you are, one mistake one moving stone one slip, this is all it takes then can be game over, I have been looking at wfp for years now, first it came out all ladders are going to be banned, looked right into that (seems it was started by companies just trying to sell systems (worked great as it scared poeple into it) I looked right into it and funny enough it was a complete lie, ladders are getting banned etc. after a year or more i looked again and was put off again, I am now buying a van system (why) because I value my family and is 1000% safer than using a ladder, and at the end of the day will also make more money, thats the whole point of working in the first place, as for personal touch I will always give this to every customer I clean or my guys, yes people are going to say certain things about the change as alot do not like change, but if explained to them correctly they cant have a problem with it, I do not at the mo clean frames unless they pay extra for it ( i am trad to m8) when i go to wfp this will be done everytime so frames will get wet, anyone saying i dont like them getting wet is a little silly really as the rain will make them wet even if the roof covers some of it, rain changes direction ::) I am guessing the jobs you picked up from wfp companies was either becuase they did not take the time to explain to the customer the benifits and safety issues or they just did not do the job correctly. When I start all will get a 100% guarantee as we do with any work we do.
hope you see the point I am making, your safety is most important ;)
I appreciate your concern mate. :)
To be honest I think we stand more chance of being killed or injured whilst we drive between jobs in motor vehicles rather than the danger from ladders when we get there as you have unfortunately found out. :(
I hope you are completely over your injury now and send you my best regards. :)
A thought provoking post of yours and also very interesting.
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What a load of old sh**e. Do your thing, whether it be poles or ladders. Mind yer own business and stop slagging off other systems.
If we all minded our own business, there would be no forum. Opinions, that all they are.
I use wfp but I say live and let live. If it weren't for the traditional ladder using window cleaner what would we have done years ago?
Years ago wfp wasn't invented, so the ladder was the only option. Years ago the combustion engine wasn't invented, so the horse was the only option.
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Years ago self-cleaning glass wasnt invented, so window-cleaners were the only option, now it has been invented, seems they still are......
s'ok, I'll get me coat.... :o
What a load of old sh**e. Do your thing, whether it be poles or ladders. Mind yer own business and stop slagging off other systems.
If we all minded our own business, there would be no forum. Opinions, that all they are.
I use wfp but I say live and let live. If it weren't for the traditional ladder using window cleaner what would we have done years ago?
Years ago wfp wasn't invented, so the ladder was the only option. Years ago the combustion engine wasn't invented, so the horse was the only option.