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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike Halliday on August 15, 2007, 07:17:21 am

Title: carpet moths
Post by: Mike Halliday on August 15, 2007, 07:17:21 am
who sells a chemical to deal with these? got a full 4 bed house to treat

Mike
Title: Re: carpet moths
Post by: Mike Halliday on August 15, 2007, 07:20:44 am
sorry, found one from craftex :)

Permethrin based powder for removal of crawling and flying insects such as cockroaches, carpet beetles, ants, carpet moths, fleas etc. in domestic, agricultural and public health areas. 
100msq coverage per sachet.


Mike
Title: Re: carpet moths
Post by: Mark Lane-Matthews on August 15, 2007, 09:16:16 am
Hi Mike
No Inseckt from solutions which is Permethrin free and safer to use

                                             Mark
Title: Re: carpet moths
Post by: The Great One on August 15, 2007, 01:44:51 pm
Hi

Enviromite from EnviroDri

Excellent kit, used it a few times


regards

martin 8)
Title: Re: carpet moths
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on August 15, 2007, 11:09:42 pm
Chemspec do one I have used it and found it to be good on just about everything I use it on flees, moth mould growth etc its a Microban product.

Shaun
Title: Re: carpet moths
Post by: lands on August 16, 2007, 07:30:36 am
Their version (Prochem) is called microsan I think.
Title: Re: carpet moths
Post by: Graeme@Access on August 16, 2007, 12:07:39 pm
Hi,

You will have to be careful in choosing a product to deal with insect infestations.  The one mike has found is and insecticide, designed for the job. 

Enviromite - particulate mite control... probably wont kill all flying insects. << serious inhilation risk while spreading powder.  They are very sketchy about what they put in it... and this worries me.

Microsan - anti bacterial and microbal... is there any evidence this will kill insects?

Insect thingy from solutions - Pyrethrin which is a decent insecticide that has low human toxicity.

I wouldnt go pitching insect removal unless you are absolutely sure wht your doing and have the appropriate ppe.  Most insecticides bio accumulate and damage your cns.

Eg, in the UK people have high levels of DDE in fatty tissue. This is a degradation product of the well know DDT.  We stopped spraying ddt years ago, but it persists in our enviorment and bio-accumulates in your body. 

There is a move in the scientific community to move Permethrin to a Class C carcinogen.  Basically, there is some evidene of it causing cancer in man.  The Pyrethrins are probably the same, but havent been used as widely (yet) and therfore are not as well studied.

Bottom line =  Dont mess with Insecticides unless your being paid handsomely and know exactly what your doing.

Hope this helps

Graeme Thurston
Access Cleaning Solutions
Title: Re: carpet moths
Post by: Stephen "Dusty" Roberts on August 17, 2007, 04:21:10 pm
If these are loose rug you can FREEZE the bad boys and use no toxic chems at all!


I had a museum currator teach me this years ago.



1. Freeze in a deep freeze for 1 week
2. pull out for one week into a warm enviroment, but keep rolled up in the dark.
3. Put back into the freezer for one week

The reason you want to pull it out for a week is because all the eggs may not have been killed off on the first freeze, but the emergence into the warm air will trigger any live eggs.

This always works for us and I charge out at 1.25/sq. ft.
I use an old 6' long deep freezer.

This of coarse has no residual effect, but it is very nice to let the client know there is no chems at all.

I am a firm believer that the client needs to know how to avoid a re-infestation.

The best thing a client can do is vacuum both sides of a rug at least once a month.

Moths love to lay their eggs in dark areas and cant be disturbed.

One more thing that makes a big diff is to use/store the rugs in a dry area. A moist, dark and warm room with a yummy wool rug is irresistable to a moth.

Here is something I clipped from a very good web site on wool rug care!

http://www.jacobsenrugs.com/care.htm#moths

Moth Damage
Flying clothes moths do not eat your rugs, but the females do lay hundreds of eggs each, and the eggs hatch into larvae that consume wool, fur, feather, and silk fibers. Moths and their larvae thrive in dark, undisturbed areas where a rug gets little traffic and is not often vacuumed. A bad infestation sometimes leaves a cobweb-like veil in the area of the damage, along with fine, sand-like debris. An infestation often involves more than one rug, and can spread to (or from) woolens or furs hanging in a closet or sweaters stored in a drawer. A rug damaged by moths is not difficult to repair, but reweaving a large area of the rug can be expensive.




The life cycle of the clothes moth
(Not to scale)
To identify the presence of moths, look for one or more of these signs (see pictures here):

flying moths -- the common clothing moth (tineola bisselliella) is the villain. It's small, 3/8" long or less, and is usually silvery tan or soft brown in color. This moth flies slowly but with a rapid flutter of small wings. If you try to snatch one out of the air, the clothes moth folds its wings and drops to the floor.
bare spots in the pile -- often moth larvae will prefer the taste of one color yarn over another, and so the bare spots may involve some specific colors but not others.
webs -- white gossamer filaments covering a patch of the rug's pile (often only present with a bad infestation).
cocoons -- 1/8" diameter x 1/2" long slightly fuzzy cylinders usually the same color as the rug's pile (larvae camouflage their cocoons to blend in with the color of the wool that surrounds them).
larvae in the pile -- slender, white, worm-like moth larvae about 3/8" long can sometimes be seen just after hatching, before they've constructed cocoons. It is the larvae that actually eat the wool.
sand-like particles down in the pile of the rug -- this material, often tan or brown in color, regular in size, and granular in look, is the excretion of the larvae.
broken/loose plies -- where the larvae have chewed through yarn overcastings or bindings.



To prevent moth damage:

Vacuum the entire face of the rug weekly if possible. At least several times a year, vacuum the back side of the rug and the pad and floor underneath. If the rug is too large to handle, flip the edges over, and vacuum at least one to two feet in along the borders on the back side of the rug. The corresponding areas on the pad and floor should also be vacuumed.

Be aware that moth balls, flakes, or crystals (naphthalene or paradichlorobenzene) are ineffective in moth control for rugs. These materials act only as a minor repellent to moths. They do not kill moth larvae, and the naphthalene odor can be unpleasant and difficult to remove from the rug. Cedar scent is useless as a prevention for moth damage.

Any place the vacuum cannot reach, such as areas of the rug under furniture, or a rug hung on the wall, can be sprayed with a household, non-staining insecticide made for the purpose. Most of these products contain pyrethrins (a class of insecticide originally extracted from the flower heads of chrysanthemums) among the active ingredients. Although poisonous to many varieties of insects, pyrethrins break down quickly after application and are considered safe for use in the home. BE CAREFUL IN CHOOSING AND APPLYING ANY INSECTICIDE. Choose a product designed for the intended use and follow directions for application, storage, and disposal carefully.