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Title: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: ian loughlin on July 30, 2007, 10:50:31 pm
I have picked up a job to clean a pub, its a pattened axminster with very bad blacking by the bar.

What would be the best technique to remove this?

Heres some Photos:

Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: darren72 on July 30, 2007, 11:40:34 pm
Cimex
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: ian loughlin on July 30, 2007, 11:49:15 pm
What is Cimex and where can i get it from? whats the best method to use?
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Len Gribble on July 31, 2007, 01:39:26 am
Ian

Blacktop is easy removed dwell time with your preferred pre-spray then hwe.

http://www.cimex-usa.com/ or http://www.truvox.com/

Len
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Ian Rochester on July 31, 2007, 02:18:20 am
That's not bad!!!!!


You can still see the pattern!!!!

Craftex Champion or Hydamaster Blitz will cut through it in no time, also very hot water
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: carpetguy on July 31, 2007, 07:16:30 am
That looks like a typical Belgian Wilton, so avoid overwetting, but, as mentioned, it's not heavily soiled, compared to some!

Advice already given..................just prespray and let it go to work, while you get " set up ". If you don't have the machines to aggitate, you can simply use a fairly stiff, nylon bristle brush.

It should come up like new.


Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Joe H on July 31, 2007, 07:21:01 am
Yes its bad BUT I have done a lot worse then that!!
and over a very large area.

right or wrong in what I did  - I was brutal!

I soaked in microsplitter, dwell time to soak, then scoured it - criss cross pattern - to try to get through, then with CFR machine at 550psi, then I did HWE.

Please bear in mind your job is not anywhere near as bad so dont be as brutal and consider all advices given.

Still a tough job though and it takes time so consider extra time when costing.

Would be a good lead in to discussing maintenance plan with whoever.

Joe H
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Susan Dean (1stclean) on July 31, 2007, 07:23:15 am
That looks like a typical Belgian Wilton, so avoid overwetting, but, as mentioned, it's not heavily soiled, compared to some!

Advice already given..................just prespray and let it go to work, while you get " set up ". If you don't have the machines to aggitate, you can simply use a fairly stiff, nylon bristle brush.

It should come up like new.




yep good old hands and kness giveing it large with your brush always works , you could take a fork as well to lightly prod the black befour spraying this will help it soak in as well
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: gwrightson on July 31, 2007, 07:31:28 am
dont want to sound ignorant here but ...........
Joe, you say soaked with micro-splitter and allowed to dwell!!
I was under the impression that the idea of m/spitters was a misting not a soaking you are gaining nothing by soaking :-\ and dwell time does not make any difference.

I,m not saying you did not get the desired result ,just cant comprehend your method

Geoff   H/C 13
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: *paul_moss on July 31, 2007, 08:45:50 am
A couple of answers to some of the posts above.
First the fibre is wool not polyprop therefore not B/W.

Second you dont soak M/S  in and give them a dwell time as they dont work like conventional chems, M/S work on aggitation and plenty of it/no aggitation no result.

As a few guys have said blacktop can be removed and can take a bit of effort, the pictures above show a build up but its not major.
My prefered method on a pub carpet such as this would be to use an enzyme prespray my favorite and the strongest by far is Chempec Enzall, give it 10 mins to dwell and a little aggitation if nec them extract  ;)
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Joe H on July 31, 2007, 09:36:25 am
Ill correct myself.

When I did the really really bad blacktop I was'nt using microsplitter then.
Sorry to mislead - thanks for picking it up.
Certainly the soak helped but I did have to be brutal - so much blacktop - yuk!
 
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Ken Wainwright on July 31, 2007, 02:10:32 pm
I agree with Paul Moss.  I've cleaned acres of the same carpet. It is a very good quality wool weave. Definately not P/P. If you look at the non blacktop areas, you can visually appreciate the natural resilience of wool over P/P.

However, having said that, I would agree with Carpetguy in that, given the location, and possibly body but maybe broadloom carpet, shrinkage related problems are a serious consideration. As are dye bleed and/or crocking.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: *paul_moss on July 31, 2007, 05:00:47 pm
Ken quite agree if the seams have not been welded together very well  :o they open up very nicely and can make you change your underpants  :o
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: lands on July 31, 2007, 06:18:33 pm
I take it you got your local pub job Ian?

The replies are correct, and I go with the hands and knees opinion. Done it before and they do come out.

Customer will actually be amazed unless he's seen it before because it looks and feels like tar (which is not far off given its composites

See you on the 6th

Pete
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: carpetguy on July 31, 2007, 07:27:35 pm
I'm afraid my eysight and memory are lagging a long way behind ...................as I said it LOOKS very much like a typical b/w to me and still does, but then, I'm not always right, as my kids like to point out, occasionally and emphasises the point, that you really have to be there !

rob
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Chris R on July 31, 2007, 07:32:49 pm
This one was cleaned by Liverpool Billy using Blitz .( Hydramaster)

Before getting on your knees and scrubbing try just spraying and rinsing ( very hot water). Sometimes it comes out real easy.

Aggitating with a rotary will give best results .

Regards

Chris

PS I have also had excellent results by soaking the area in micro splitters,it worked very well.
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: lands on July 31, 2007, 07:39:57 pm
Chris

You are right but I know (or doubt) that Ian has a rotary so like me will be relying on HWE to do the  job. Have not tried Blitz before. Who does that? Use Chemspec Enzall or Prochem traffic clean for that type of thing. Can anyone who has used all three comment?

Pete
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: carpetguy on July 31, 2007, 07:44:03 pm
Absolutely agree Chris..............my suggestion was for a yard brush, if nothing else was available and I agree with a rotary for aggitation ...............possibly the best result I've seen on here
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Glynn on July 31, 2007, 08:53:53 pm
That mild blacktop pictured above should be thought of as a rountine job for any competent carpet cleaner.
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: carpetguy on July 31, 2007, 09:54:41 pm
Yes Glynn, we know that, but I think Mr Loughlan is a relative newcomer and in spite of me being a very experienced and competent c/c I'm being told I am wrong in suggesting the carpet looks like a b/w
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Chris R on July 31, 2007, 10:05:17 pm
Ken

Have you still got those pics of that very bad kitchen carpet ( or others) that you cleaned with Dry Fusion ?

just to show what can be done with systems other than HWE ?

regards
Chris
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: carpetguy on July 31, 2007, 10:45:18 pm
Chris

I cleaned Game Stores which were absolutely filthy and was astonished at the results, using Texatherm and I have to say, there was a huge amount of soiling removed.
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: ian loughlin on August 01, 2007, 02:58:10 am
yes i am quite new Glynn, just needed some advice from this forum which i think is very helpfull, as this is my first pub job.

I am fully trained by pro chem, just wanted some advice as i understood this forum was for?.

Hi pete,

try my best to make it on the 6th
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Mark Lane-Matthews on August 01, 2007, 09:12:31 am
Hi Ian
If you prefer Prochems products, powerburst by them it is very good on blacktop,make up the solution using hot water ,apply to blacktop first before commencing on other areas to give dwell, which it will turn  the blacktop to mush ,reapply if necassary and just let the product do the work.
                                                                          Mark
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: matt jones on August 01, 2007, 11:30:15 am
Hi guys can these types of carpets really take a good soaking then i have cleaned a couple of axminsters but always played on the safe side as to not get to wet. Also on training courses they tell you not to use hot water or high ph on delicate fibres like wool yet in these circumstances that goes out the window, i suppose on jobs like this it comes down to doing whatever it takes to get results.
matt
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Daveyboy on August 01, 2007, 12:19:05 pm
What do you call a high temperature? (not a cue for a joke)
How high can we go on this type of carpet/condition?
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: spindle on August 01, 2007, 12:50:34 pm
hydramaster sells blitz.............big tub....sml tub!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: stevie wonder on August 01, 2007, 05:59:22 pm
Ive found considering the stains are mainly dry beer and dry shorts mixed with soil from work mans shoes,prespray with prochem powerburst in hot tap water.Leave for five mins.Then using my prochem extractor 2 times 3 stage and inline heater, and prochems doubleclean give it a good clean agitating it with your wand .it will soon soften and come out.If your worried about colour run ,just neutralize ,by spraying some prochem fibre and fabric  rinse after cleaning,.I used this system on a pub carpet and it came up like new. Any probs contact me on 07910028671 steve.steve@polarcleanitall.com
Title: Re: How to remove Blacking??
Post by: Len Gribble on August 02, 2007, 02:35:08 am
Ian

Wished Ron T covered this on my training course but TLC was!

Like I said easily removed, if you find any money under it! It belongs to the publican and so dose the gum unless you priced that in (but that’s another story but a tip very sharp knife  ;))

I have tried lots of pre-sprays!  All are good but you can’t beat dwell time (hate cleaning the machine after agitation so I no longer do it, so now I let nature take it’s course that’s the eco part of me  ;D)

Methinks it’s an Axminster also shrinks 1st picture looks close to the seam so care. 8)

Never quote as new (it ant and will never be)

Len