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Title: health and safety with ro filters
Post by: d s windowcleaning on July 27, 2007, 02:11:40 pm
just wonderd what other pole users thoughts were on the health and safety issue with regards too ro filters and legionaires disease   The health and safety statement can be viewed   at  www.hse.com and search for water fed pole 
Title: Re: health and safety with ro filters
Post by: jeff1 on July 27, 2007, 03:11:29 pm
This is an email I had from the hse dept some time back.
I looked at your link but could not find anything.



Hi Jeff,
 
Your query concerning legionella bacteria and window cleaning has come
through to me.  You ask a number of questions in your message which may be
better talking through over the phone. However,  I am out of the office for
two weeks beginning tomorrow so in case you don't pick this message up in
time, here are some of my thoughts regarding your questions:
 
"Can pure water incubate the Legionnaires' Disease?"

The answer here is that legionella will not tend to multiply to dangerous
levels in pure water because they need nutrients to grow and divide.
However, most water will contain some impurities that will act as a
nutrients source for legionella e.g., contamination in pipework - you'd
have to go to some lengths to ensure that water is totally uncontaminated.
 
"What precautions must window cleaners take to prevent Legionnaires'
disease?"


As well as nutrients, legionella bacteria require temperatures to fall
between 20C and 45C for them to grow and divide.  Clearly in warm weather,
like we've had lately, there is potential for stored water to reach these
temperatures.   Therefore the approach to take in order to control risks
from legionella  would be one that took into account both cleanliness of
the system and water temperatures i.e.,
 
   keep system (pipework, storage tanks, purification equipment) clean
   if possible, take steps to keep stored water temperature below 20C.
 
I hope this has helped.  I'll be in the office until about 4.30 today if
you wish to discuss this matter further with me (see number below).
Alternatively, you could talk to one of my colleagues by calling 1051 951
4831.
 
Regards,
 
Paul
 
Dr Paul J McDermott
HID SI4 (Biological Agents Unit)
0151 951 3405
 
Ref: AREL-6RLDHP
 
Title: Re: health and safety with ro filters
Post by: d s windowcleaning on July 27, 2007, 03:32:30 pm
cheers  for info
Title: Re: health and safety with ro filters
Post by: matt on July 27, 2007, 07:14:01 pm

"What precautions must window cleaners take to prevent Legionnaires'
disease?"


As well as nutrients, legionella bacteria require temperatures to fall
between 20C and 45C for them to grow and divide.  Clearly in warm weather,
like we've had lately,
there is potential for stored water to reach these
temperatures.   Therefore the approach to take in order to control risks
from legionella  would be one that took into account both cleanliness of
the system and water temperatures i.e.,
 
   

must have been a while ago jeff, as i cannot remmber warm weather  :P
Title: Re: health and safety with ro filters
Post by: jeff1 on July 28, 2007, 01:17:17 pm

"What precautions must window cleaners take to prevent Legionnaires'
disease?"


As well as nutrients, legionella bacteria require temperatures to fall
between 20C and 45C for them to grow and divide.  Clearly in warm weather,
like we've had lately,
there is potential for stored water to reach these
temperatures.   Therefore the approach to take in order to control risks
from legionella  would be one that took into account both cleanliness of
the system and water temperatures i.e.,
 
   

must have been a while ago jeff, as i cannot remmber warm weather  :P
;D ;D ;D I had to check that one out matt, the email was date is the 17/7/06  ;D ;D
Title: Re: health and safety with ro filters
Post by: matt on July 28, 2007, 07:16:59 pm
 :)