Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jouk45 on July 20, 2007, 09:06:07 pm
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OK HERES JUST A SMALL DEMONSRATION OF THE NEW POLE, I AM ONLY USING 2 SECTIONS, BUT I CAN USE MY INVENTION WITH AS MANY SECTIONS AS I WANT, PLEASE REMEMBER THIS IS JUST A SMALL PROTOTYPE TO SHOW THAT IT DOES work, ;D
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is that it
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but its attatched to a back pack ? am i missing something ?
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??? surely thats a hose. I'm a bit baffled at the mo - probably just me. :)
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been done mate hi flo carbon tec by unger
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guys study the pole very carfuly, not me ;D the pole is hosless with the flow controller on board, the only thing you have to do is attatch your hose from your pump, now i left out my portable attachment which lets you change over to get to oquard places,
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been done mate hi flo carbon tec by unger
unger is not telescopic, its screw on sections
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I couldn't see any water coming out, but I think I could hear the sound of a pump, no that can't be right it hasn't got a feed.
The pole looked good. but you should have kept the hose and back pack out of shot. Can't get the staff eh.
I think to get it past ballantyne and dragons den it still needs a bit of work.
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JO "THERE IS A HOSE CONNECTED TO THE END OF THE POLE" ! :-X ???
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dont mean to pee on the parade, but I,ve got two just like that, one 2 metre pole and one foar metre pole to clean my vans with. on the base of the poles are hozelock connectors and on/off switches to turn the flow on and off. Both poles are telescopic with no hoses up the centre
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steve m
r u wfp
jerry
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dont mean to pee on the parade, but I,ve got two just like that, one 2 metre pole and one foar metre pole to clean my vans with. on the base of the poles are hozelock connectors and on/off switches to turn the flow on and off. Both poles are telescopic with no hoses up the centre
yes but the water has to run through the whole pole sections, they are car wash poles, mines does not, do you think i would be stupid enough to put something like that on here, it may look like it, but my poles funtion is completly diffrent, if you used one of these brushes with a backpack there would be no water left in no time,
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steve m
r u wfp
been one for 7 years, and you
jerry
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Rain water don`t ever go on dragons den and say Duncan Banatynes name in the way that you spelt it,he`ll never give you a penny it`s his no1 pet hate so he says.
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yes. Went wfp about a year ago. Seems to be one of those things you never stop learning about. As I said, it looks like the poles I have for my vans. I never shoot people down in flames without trying it first. Please dont take my last the wrong way, I wasn,t having a dig, I was just making an observation of a video that wasn't that detailed
steve
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Sounds like Joes been playing a joke on us. Good one Joe.
You built up the suspense and anticipation well, the views have gone through the roof in only a few minutes, and look at the number of replies and level of interest.
I'd like to see you on that Dragons Den with 'Banatyne'.
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I'm with you now Jo, it took me a while to work out what your invention is. By hoseless you mean after the flow valve so there is no need for a hose up the length of your pole. Presumably there must be some seals for each joint for every section that will be prone to wear? In answering your initial question I would not buy one in addition to my existing poles.
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maybe i have not explained things properly, ok lets keep this simple, the poles we use have tubing
all the way through our poles, to recieve water from our pump,it could be from a trolley system, van mount, backpack, now lets say a 50ft pole, has 60ft or more of tubing, imagine when you detract the pole, where does all that tubing go?? at your feet of course, my pole has no tubing what so ever, and becouse its desgned with no tubing, the flow controller can be fitted permenently to the pole, and not on our hips, or manual switch, or remote control, all you do is disconect from your hose pump, then detract it, meaning no tubing to be lifted and folded away, maybe i should have said tubless and not hosless,
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I'm with you now Jo, it took me a while to work out what your invention is. By hoseless you mean after the flow valve so there is no need for a hose up the length of your pole. Presumably there must be some seals for each joint for every section that will be prone to wear? In answering your initial question I would not buy one in addition to my existing poles.
trust me davew, you will drop your existing poles like a hot stone, when they come on the scene, and they will,
and just for the record, there are no wearing parts, like it or not it will become the next step to wfp, why have trailing tubeing, and water controllers on your hip ect, when you can have a pole, that has everything under one roof so to speak,
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Joe,
In plain words there is no hose that runs through the pole which is retracable unlike the Unger pole which you have to screw on each section. At the end of the pole you have a switch to turn the water on and off. If that is correct then yes you have the perfect pole.
Only one thing that would be a problem for me is having you main hose attached to the pole, this would create a bit of weight on the ploe and make it hard to move around. You would still need to have the light hose that runs through the poles connected to the pole which then connects to your main hose.
Hope I have made some sense.
From what I can see the perfect pole, well done, now go rob a bank ;D
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great idea joe i can see it working well and maybe a lot of other pole manufacturer's will do the same thing
Paul
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They will not become next thing in my van unless there ultra light,you have to make sure that with whatever invention you have it dosen`t impare the weight of the pole,don`t forget everyones looking for light poles.
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They will not become next thing in my van unless there ultra light,you have to make sure that with whatever invention you have it dosen`t impare the weight of the pole,don`t forget everyones looking for light poles.
that is true, my idea can be sold as a kit to any supplier who stocks poles, and is place within any existing pole carbon or fibreglass, am not saying i am producing the pole, just demonstrating how it works, so it can be sold as a kit to fit existing poles, but i am sure manufactures would want to sell it already incorporated into their own make of pole,
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great idea joe i can see it working well and maybe a lot of other pole manufacturer's will do the same thing
Paul
not without licensing it they wont,
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I can`t see the likes of Alex going for that,what real advantage does it give.Mega light pole length of hose job done.
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I can`t see the likes of Alex going for that,what real advantage does it give.Mega light pole length of hose job done.
there is vitrualy no weight in my idea, no more weight than the standard tubing already used in the poles,
or hanging outside them, dont forget the superlite is modular not telescopic,
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great jo, and no connections getting snagged or broken wehn pulling a hose around....superb
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ok, I sort of get what you've done. What I cant understand is the weight saving. Either the pole is full ofwater, that weighs a kilo a litre, or the pole wall will be very thick, which will weigh. Sorry if I sound like I'm slagging it off, I'm not ,just trying to understand
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So when are you likely to be selling these kits as you can put me down for one.
Paul
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ok, I sort of get what you've done. What I cant understand is the weight saving. Either the pole is full ofwater, that weighs a kilo a litre, or the pole wall will be very thick, which will weigh. Sorry if I sound like I'm slagging it off, I'm not ,just trying to understand
sorry steve i had to leave that bit out as i did not want the other part of the idea stolen, ok we have to carry either a backpack or trolley system to bring portable water to our customers houses, my idea was to make a device that combines with the pole, when you need it to make up for the amount of water that is carried by the other systems, i came up with a self refilling device, that refills in less than a minute, you can choose between 1 to 2 litres, if you think about it, the little time its in your hands the water is being use on the windows you are cleaning, you dont even feel any weight of the ,water,
look at the guys who carry the backpacks all day, i feel sorry for them, knowing what i have now. is just as fast, smaller amounts of water, but the reflll makes up for the speed,
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all this needs is a solid internal water tube the same diameter as the present pole hose.
If you try and patent this, the one that Halfords sell is far too similar.
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jouk 45
I still cant picture it in my head. I will wait for it to come out and buy one to see. Good luck with the pole, if you think it will work, go do it and prove us all wrong.
steve
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all this needs is a solid internal water tube the same diameter as the present pole hose.
If you try and patent this, the one that Halfords sell is far too similar.
hi steve, i have already checked the patents, there is nothing there that even comes close to what i have done,
the funtion i have in my pole, uses the correct amount of water, the water does not fill up inside the pole sections like the car wash pole you are describing, that would be to heavy, and a waste of pure water, hope that makes it a bit clearer,
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So Jo,what are you waiting for?
"if this does exactly what it says on the tin" as so to speak,then lets get them out there and working,there is no point going on about something saying it so good then never seeing it in production !
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So Jo,what are you waiting for?
"if this does exactly what it says on the tin" as so to speak,then lets get them out there and working,there is no point going on about something saying it so good then never seeing it in production !
hi clean, i am not going on about anything? only answering folks questions, about my idea,
i do have to explain things, and how do you know it will never go into production,??????
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Hi Jouk,
It is always interesting talking to you and thanks for the video evidence of your project.
This idea is something that most of us would like to be able to use, even if it's just so that we do not have to coil up pole hose to put back in our vehicle.
You have been working on this idea for quite a while now, I for one hope that you manage to bring this to full fruition. The industry needs new ideas, whilst this industry works on very basic principles any incremental improvement on our work tools (the poles) is going to be of value. I remember about 18 months ago you posted about a hose-less pole and got everybody going, they all thought you were winding them up!
When you have fully protected the invention I will be interested to see more. Let's hope no one beats you to it, now that they know that it's possible.
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Your right there Alex......... you might find it hard now to get it patented as you have shown everyone on here. If you watch Dragons den they all ask if anyone else knows about "it" as soon as you say "yes" thats it they dont want to know but hey good luck anyway
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Your right there Alex......... you might find it hard now to get it patented as you have shown everyone on here. If you watch Dragons den they all ask if anyone else knows about "it" as soon as you say "yes" thats it they dont want to know but hey good luck anyway
i will still get the patent, because the funtion is internal, and can not be seen, i am very lucky that way, so i can demonstrate it anytime without being in the public eye, all anyone is seeing is a normal everyday pole, alex i left the very valuable part of the invention out of the movie clip, that combines with the pole, its a unquie way of transporting water, jeff brown can back me up on that, as hes the only one i trust, jeff has seen the full version video, but it is just a prototype i made up by myself
to save paying a company to do it, so a manufacturer with the investment can really dress it up to look better,
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Maybe also patent it for telescopic tapered poles as well, as there are two new designs about to take the wfp world by storm.
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If I told you I had invented and built a protor type pole that does not have and does not need a hose or tubing? it has a built in flow control and has the facilities for a portable water function,
Now if you have difficult access restrictions, were you have trouble getting your hose or even a backpack to the rear of a property, then this pole is the answer, if you have to go through customers homes with hoses or backpacks along with your poles, then again this pole is the answer, you can work on these propertys with ease with no trailing hoses at your feet, but pure water is still being pumped upto the windows
ok the pole has no hose running through it but you still need to connect the pole to your pump with what ? a hose this hose is still going to have to be taken through a customers house or layed on the ground ner your feet. unless you are saying that the pole can be disconected from the hose for short periods and still maintain a flow from the brush, if so well done to you.
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If I told you I had invented and built a protor type pole that does not have and does not need a hose or tubing? it has a built in flow control and has the facilities for a portable water function,
Now if you have difficult access restrictions, were you have trouble getting your hose or even a backpack to the rear of a property, then this pole is the answer, if you have to go through customers homes with hoses or backpacks along with your poles, then again this pole is the answer, you can work on these propertys with ease with no trailing hoses at your feet, but pure water is still being pumped upto the windows
ok the pole has no hose running through it but you still need to connect the pole to your pump with what ? a hose this hose is still going to have to be taken through a customers house or layed on the ground ner your feet. unless you are saying that the pole can be disconected from the hose for short periods and still maintain a flow from the brush, if so well done to you.
your right thomas, it is disconnected, then my device is added that needs no battery, no hand pumping, dont wont to make it any more complicated than it is, but you do have the general idea,
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If I told you I had invented and built a protor type pole that does not have and does not need a hose or tubing? it has a built in flow control and has the facilities for a portable water function,
Now if you have difficult access restrictions, were you have trouble getting your hose or even a backpack to the rear of a property, then this pole is the answer, if you have to go through customers homes with hoses or backpacks along with your poles, then again this pole is the answer, you can work on these propertys with ease with no trailing hoses at your feet, but pure water is still being pumped upto the windows
ok the pole has no hose running through it but you still need to connect the pole to your pump with what ? a hose this hose is still going to have to be taken through a customers house or layed on the ground ner your feet. unless you are saying that the pole can be disconected from the hose for short periods and still maintain a flow from the brush, if so well done to you.
I can vouch for Joe,
I have not only seen the full video, but I helped Joe with a couple of little things when he was building the protor type, so I know how it will work and how the internals work.
The statement above regarding the trailing hoses is true, all I am permitted to say, is I have seen the protor type and the video, were Joe cleaned windows with NO hoses on the outside of the pole etc,....so you will be able to walk through a customers house, and not have one hose to take with you, and you can still clean the rear windows, with running pure water.
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How much water will you have available to you with this system?
20litres? 100litres?
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Your right there Alex......... you might find it hard now to get it patented as you have shown everyone on here. If you watch Dragons den they all ask if anyone else knows about "it" as soon as you say "yes" thats it they dont want to know but hey good luck anyway
i will still get the patent, because the funtion is internal, and can not be seen, i am very lucky that way, so i can demonstrate it anytime without being in the public eye, all anyone is seeing is a normal everyday pole, alex i left the very valuable part of the invention out of the movie clip, that combines with the pole, its a unquie way of transporting water, jeff brown can back me up on that, as hes the only one i trust, jeff has seen the full version video, but it is just a prototype i made up by myself
to save paying a company to do it, so a manufacturer with the investment can really dress it up to look better,
I've got it. It's like one of those transporters in Star Trek. It disassembles the water molecules at the base of the pole and re-assembles them at the brush end. Sorry. No patent for you. Star Trek got there first.
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ok joe well done how many windows can be done while disconected before having to refill
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ok joe well done how many windows can be done while disconected before having to refill
Like I said, I can't say to much, but with what I seen, you could do a good size 3 bedroom house.
Best let Joe answer you correctly.
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ok joe well done how many windows can be done while disconected before having to refill
the system, is good for windows that have already had there full cleans, it can do at least 4 large windows, comfotably,
but am still testing yet,
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great jo, and no connections getting snagged or broken wehn pulling a hose around....superb
when you disconnect from the base, the hose tail, and detract the pole, you will have no tubing to mess around with,
its that simple matt, especialy if they are large poles, just put it into the van job done,
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If the idea is really any good sell it. You haven't got the resources to develope it yourself. From other posts you have been tinkering for two years already. Some one will inevitably beat you to the punch.
It costs a lot of money to patent something, and you are claiming two, not one, basic new idea.
All I saw in the video was a halfords car wash pole, and I did think you had played a prank (you do put jokes on here on a fairly regular basis).
However if this is as claimed why don't you partner with someone who is able to take it furthur.
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Your right there Alex......... you might find it hard now to get it patented as you have shown everyone on here. If you watch Dragons den they all ask if anyone else knows about "it" as soon as you say "yes" thats it they dont want to know but hey good luck anyway
i will still get the patent, because the funtion is internal, and can not be seen, i am very lucky that way, so i can demonstrate it anytime without being in the public eye, all anyone is seeing is a normal everyday pole, alex i left the very valuable part of the invention out of the movie clip, that combines with the pole, its a unquie way of transporting water, jeff brown can back me up on that, as hes the only one i trust, jeff has seen the full version video, but it is just a prototype i made up by myself
to save paying a company to do it, so a manufacturer with the investment can really dress it up to look better,
I've got it. It's like one of those transporters in Star Trek. It disassembles the water molecules at the base of the pole and re-assembles them at the brush end. Sorry. No patent for you. Star Trek got there first.
just remember those words when your using one day, regards captain spoke, i can take a dig lol
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If the idea is really any good sell it. You haven't got the resources to develope it yourself. From other posts you have been tinkering for two years already. Some one will inevitably beat you to the punch.
It costs a lot of money to patent something, and you are claiming two, not one, basic new idea.
All I saw in the video was a halfords car wash pole, and I did think you had played a prank (you do put jokes on here on a fairly regular basis).
However if this is as claimed why don't you partner with someone who is able to take it furthur.
i wish you had a shorter name it would be much easier when making a reply, sorry i am not being cheeky.
yes been nearly 2 years trying to complete it, i like everyone else here needs to make a living, and work gets in the way,
anyway i manage it in the end, your right, i will need someone to take it over once i have the legal side sorted,
but it does not stop me from making and improving it,
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ive figured it out at last
he has a pair of boots that hold 1 litre of water each using
accordion type soles
tubes from boots join together at the hand
when he jumps up and down pressure builds up and he makes a well aimed squirt at the desired spot
want more water? sure, simply jump a little higher
the sqirt is one single stream
pure genius!
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Your right there Alex......... you might find it hard now to get it patented as you have shown everyone on here. If you watch Dragons den they all ask if anyone else knows about "it" as soon as you say "yes" thats it they dont want to know but hey good luck anyway
i will still get the patent, because the funtion is internal, and can not be seen, i am very lucky that way, so i can demonstrate it anytime without being in the public eye, all anyone is seeing is a normal everyday pole, alex i left the very valuable part of the invention out of the movie clip, that combines with the pole, its a unquie way of transporting water, jeff brown can back me up on that, as hes the only one i trust, jeff has seen the full version video, but it is just a prototype i made up by myself
to save paying a company to do it, so a manufacturer with the investment can really dress it up to look better,
I've got it. It's like one of those transporters in Star Trek. It disassembles the water molecules at the base of the pole and re-assembles them at the brush end. Sorry. No patent for you. Star Trek got there first.
just remember those words when your using one day, regards captain spoke, i can take a dig lol
;D Not a dig at all. Just laughing at myself really.
If the pole is what I'm imagining (no - not Star Trek), I may well be up for buying one.
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Your right there Alex......... you might find it hard now to get it patented as you have shown everyone on here. If you watch Dragons den they all ask if anyone else knows about "it" as soon as you say "yes" thats it they dont want to know but hey good luck anyway
i will still get the patent, because the funtion is internal, and can not be seen, i am very lucky that way, so i can demonstrate it anytime without being in the public eye, all anyone is seeing is a normal everyday pole, alex i left the very valuable part of the invention out of the movie clip, that combines with the pole, its a unquie way of transporting water, jeff brown can back me up on that, as hes the only one i trust, jeff has seen the full version video, but it is just a prototype i made up by myself
to save paying a company to do it, so a manufacturer with the investment can really dress it up to look better,
I've got it. It's like one of those transporters in Star Trek. It disassembles the water molecules at the base of the pole and re-assembles them at the brush end. Sorry. No patent for you. Star Trek got there first.
just remember those words when your using one day, regards captain spoke, i can take a dig lol
;D Not a dig at all. Just laughing at myself really.
If the pole is what I'm imagining (no - not Star Trek), I may well be up for buying one.
no problem shinner, you wont be disapointed,
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaa, success, 3 sections at 13ft +
goose neck works brilliant, still with in built flow control, only this time i used a glassfibre pole with lever clamps, so everyone does not mistaken it for a car wash pole. just thought i would let you all know, (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/joeuk_bucket/newdancing1.gif) (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/joeuk_bucket/newdancing1.gif)
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaa, success, 3 sections at 13ft +
goose neck works brilliant, still with in built flow control, only this time i used a glassfibre pole with lever clamps, so everyone does not mistaken it for a car wash pole. just thought i would let you all know, (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/joeuk_bucket/newdancing1.gif) (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/joeuk_bucket/newdancing1.gif)
Well done. Sounds good.
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Keep going Joe, you'll soon be up to 60', then maybe Jeff B will want one then Lol.
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if the weather stays good tonight, i will get my son to take a video, when he gets in, of the new improved
version of pole i made,