Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Luke Johnson on July 07, 2007, 08:26:33 pm
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I dont even have all of my wfp system yet, just the poles and i have practised with the flocked vikans.............. I HATE THEM, they keep dirt in the bristles and then it comes off onto the glass, even after rinsing the stuff is still there. PLEASE SOMEBODY tell me about a monofilament brush ( NOT VIKAN ) that fits the vikan angle adapter, is lighter than a vikan with pencil jets.
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What about the vikan monofiliament brush! ;D
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too heavy,, sorry
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The latest vikan brushes are monofilament with pencil jets. Don't know if they're any better than the flocked vikans as I've not tried the flocked ones on glass. The black rubber has been replaced with black plastic of some sort and they are not as heavy. The monofillament one seems fine to me but then I've not had a lot of experence yet.
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I think there to heavy when I held them
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All the vikan brushes are heavy,go to B&Q they have a brush in there cleaning section that is only about £4.it has white and grey bristles and is as good as most brushes on the market at the moment it might not last as long but for that price who cares,it`s the same weight as the bentley only better slightly softer but not so soft that it pushes flat on the window.
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does it have the same thread as a vikan?, is it monofilament?
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It just needs a good push on before it meets the thread,it`s slightly flagged but dosen`t leave lots of bits on the glass.Soon i will have the perfect brush with any luck within the next month or so.
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are you developing one? with a manufacturer
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I think there to heavy when I held them
You a man or a mouse? ;D
You need a gaz h20 monofilliament brush then!
I have one and its as light as a feather.
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if you've got a decent pole the weight of a vikan shouldn't be a problem. you need the rectangular one, but most of all you need to learn how to wfp first before deciding whats good & whats not. i use vikan flocked & mono & get perfect results every time. a few grams wont make you any better mate, smack your hand through the bristles to get rid of the bits. ;)
tony
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Nothing wrong with a Vikan flocked brush its the user.
I use them all the time and get perfect result.
Paul
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same here...never had a problem with Vikan flocked, round edges with red rubber band.
I have tried loads of others and they just lie flat on the glass...useless with bird muck and dirty frames.
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Don't mind the raping - it's the pillaging that wears me out!
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I have 3 Vikan (splayed) and 1 vikan mono...they are fine brush and very well made and take alot of abuse....I generally change brushes during the day...but I keep one as my 'dirty' brush for the real dirty work...
Vikan brush's are worth the money in my opinion...
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Whilst all brushes have their good and bad points an experienced WFP'er can usually clean windows to a very high standard with almost any of the brushes currently on the market. Most of it is down to personal opinion not actual results.
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well said alex
do wish people learn how to do job and not blame tools give me practically any window cleaning tool and i will give clean window as i can clean windows
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Only used a couple of types of brush but i really like the rectangular vikan as it is firm enough for the hard caked on dirt but soft enough not to do any damage and i dont think it is not that heavy
come on its only a brush of a few grams ;)
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I currently use the Vikan flocked sill brushes for everything and find them OK but I do feel that if the brush didnt keep putting crap back onto the glass I wouldnt have to spend so long rinsing which would no doubt increase my hourly rate
As for these monofliment brushes I keep hearing about the ways they are better than the flocked brushes but is there any down sides to them?
And these Tucker brushes how much are they and is there anyway I can make them fit my universal poles?
Im probably gonna plump for the Vikan monofliment from Gardiners unless Alex suggests its worth hanging on for his new brush to come out!
Cheers Guys
Alistair
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well said alex
do wish people learn how to do job and not blame tools give me practically any window cleaning tool and i will give clean window as i can clean windows
Thats all well and good, i spend ages trying to make each window is perfect, so if i see any bits a want to know why... even after flicking and cleaning the brush, so i asked which are the best brushes, a normal question... i dont think people deserve to be pillared for doing a bad job when its clearly something to do with the tool being used...... after all you would not expect anyone to think "oh there are bits on the window,... it must be the way i brush my brush up and down and across, i know , i will try it diagonally too to see if that cures it."
come on, its hardly rocket science is it, so how can bits on the window be blamed on the person not doing a good job,
and prior to the topic being posted do you not think that everything else has been tried before looking at the brush?
tools are tools ... and they are there to assist us in doing a perfect job....
and the saying a good worker never blames his tools.... is not relevant in this case....
the best brush for wfp... was the question...
the best tool for plastering ?????? would that be met with the same responce?for instance.... give me any tool i could plaster with and i will do a good..
A kitchen knife perhaps.?
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well said alex
do wish people learn how to do job and not blame tools give me practically any window cleaning tool and i will give clean window as i can clean windows
come on, its hardly rocket science is it, so how can bits on the window be blamed on the person not doing a good job,
Sounds like they haven't been rinsed properly.
Some jobs i only have to wet the glass and they come up clean. Other i have to turn the flow up and rinse each individual pane for ages. Flaky paint springs to mind.
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Before you all mock me read GAZZA post again
Thats all well and good, i spend ages trying to make each window is perfect, so if i see any bits a want to know why... even after flicking and cleaning the brush, so i asked which are the best brushes, a normal question... i dont think people deserve to be pillared for doing a bad job when its clearly something to do with the tool being used...... after all you would not expect anyone to think "oh there are bits on the window,... it must be the way i brush my brush up and down and across, i know , i will try it diagonally too to see if that cures it."
come on, its hardly rocket science is it, so how can bits on the window be blamed on the person not doing a good job,
and prior to the topic being posted do you not think that everything else has been tried before looking at the brush?
tools are tools ... and they are there to assist us in doing a perfect job....
and the saying a good worker never blames his tools.... is not relevant in this case....
the best brush for wfp... was the question...
the best tool for plastering would that be met with the same responce?for instance.... give me any tool i could plaster with and i will do a good..
A kitchen knife perhaps.?
He has hit the nail on the head, of course I could make do with the vikan and work harder to make up for it's shortfalls, but why bother, I asked for an alternative brush, not insulting comments about my method.... oh and I did rinse and rinse and rinse and rinse and then I rinsed again, and I did clear the brush of dirt, come on people stick to the post
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Understand your comments Luke. Can we clarify how long you have you been WFPing?
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I have just got my poles, but my method must work because I have cleaned my house and the glass is spotless, not a single spot ( using tds 34 tapwater ). I have used what I have learned on the forums but the only problem is that the brush still leaves bits on the glass, just on or two per pane, and on some panes none. I have rinsed the glass as advised many times, but these bits dont want to rinse off, sometimes they will travel down the glass a bit but then stop. But theres no point moving the bits off with the brush because it will be a catch 22 situation, it will leave more bits.
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Hi Luke
The reason I asked how long you have been WFP'ing is that during the first 6 months of learning the technique, you will find that most (if not all) of the problems you encounter are due to your technique.
You may not believe this at first but work for a year and you will notice that you rarely seem to have any of the problems that you have at first, even using identical tools.
If you really do not get on with the flocked Vikans then why not try either a Mono-Filament Vikan or a standard Salmon brush. Neither of these have the same bristles as the flocked Vikans. It really is worth spending out on a few different ones so that you can make your own choice as to what works for you.
I like the cleaning effect of the Vikans myself but I do not work with them anymore due to the weight of them (450g). Every gram really does count when used at the end of a pole.
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thanks for the advice "bro", are you making your own brush?
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We have had 4 prototypes made and are now examining the manufacturing process for them.
Weight and bristle type have been the 2 focal points in the design.
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wow, sounds good, do they have a vikan thread? when will they be around?
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oh yeah, what brush do you use day to day....door to door
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They will have the same standard thread so that they will fit most poles. Day to day I use either a lightweight Bentley (Super-Lite) or one of our prototypes.
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when will you get those telescopic superlites, caus I will probably sell my Brodex to help pay for it. Oh yeah I forgot, are the modular being sold at the end of this month?
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I currently use the Vikan flocked sill brushes for everything and find them OK but I do feel that if the brush didnt keep putting crap back onto the glass I wouldnt have to spend so long rinsing which would no doubt increase my hourly rate
As for these monofliment brushes I keep hearing about the ways they are better than the flocked brushes but is there any down sides to them?
And these Tucker brushes how much are they and is there anyway I can make them fit my universal poles?
Im probably gonna plump for the Vikan monofliment from Gardiners unless Alex suggests its worth hanging on for his new brush to come out!
Cheers Guys
Alistair
Sorry guys I posted this earlier and although I can see it on my computer it seems to be invisible to everybody else ;) ;D ;D
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I did read this :)
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Have been using the Vikan monofliment for 3 days now, and i must say i like it, its a great brush!!
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Hi Alistair Stott,
Sorry I did not see your post!!
The Mono-Filament Vikan seems to be very popular and cleans very well, so does the standard green Salmon we sell.
I would not advise waiting as it could be several months before the new brush hits the shelves.
Hi Luke,
The new Super-Lites are still on schedule to be on our shelves by the end of the month. The new telescopics will be a few more months away though.
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is it going to be around £300 inc vat for a 40ft?
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Tuckers are the best brushes by miles. But to make them fit on any other pole would require a botched home made adapter. They have really fine sharp bristles which even clean into tiny joins in the frame. They even make windows you normally wfp come up cleaner (you'll be amazed how much extra dirt comes out you didn't know was there). There really stiff bit soft at the same time, and quite light.
The pole though, is quite heavy.
You take your choice I guess....