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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Grafters Cleaning Services on June 20, 2007, 03:57:44 pm
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Just to let you know that there is a certain company who is canvassing and selling rounds, they are also putting them up for auction on e-bay see http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330130943469&rd=1&rd=1
Anyway I bid for a round in Hampshire and I won the auction £10-01 but they refused to accept my payment as they wanted more for the window cleaning round even though there was no reserve and I won the auction, they emailed me to say they wanted £2800.
On the listing there was no reserve so therefore according to e-bay rules I should have had it however after emailing them to try and resolve the matter they do not want to respond, the annoying part about it is they have now relisted it again with still no reserve see http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Window-Cleaning-Round-Business-For-Sale-In-Hampshire_W0QQitemZ330136365060QQihZ014QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and once again the starting bid is 1p,
I am not going to name the company (I’m sure you can work that out for yourselves) as I believe they post on this forum and if they do then they have the right to reply, infact I hope they do to resolve the matter as they don’t want to email me.
Suffice to say you have been warned.
P.S. what do you think I should do about it?
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Have you opened up a dispute with ebay?
If then they do it again ebay will strike them off. Just a thought
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It says who they are under the item description. It also appears to be more of an advert as they actually state there is no need to bid. Surely this is not allowed? I am an ebay novice but out of curiosity I have bid and see if it happens to me.
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Have you opened up a dispute with ebay?
If then they do it again ebay will strike them off. Just a thought
if i don't get a response from them soon i may have to do this.
cheers tony
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I have just tried to bid upto 10.00 on it but there is someone else with a high max bid somewhere ;)
Dave
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I put in £10 as a max bid to see what happens. I think we should all make sure noone goes too high and see what happens. 3 strikes and they are gone from ebay.
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lots of people auction "information"...they use Ebay as a medium to reach potential customers.
Ebay will not do anything...their sellers come first...that is how they make their money.
To be fair, no-one really believes they are getting a round for a few quid do they??...if it seems too good to be true...then it is usually not true.
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To be fair, no-one really believes they are getting a round for a few quid do they??...if it seems too good to be true...then it is usually not true.
then if it's not true it should be removed from e-bay?
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They have a nice web site though
http://w.com/
They should be named and shamed
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They have a nice web site though
http://w.com/
They should be named and shamed
you missed this bit out john
indowcleaningrounds
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I dont think this forum let me fill the full name in , I did type it in though
They posted a reply to this yesterday
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=38201.0
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I dont think this forum let me fill the full name in , I did type it in though
They posted a reply to this yesterday
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=38201.0
cheers for that john, i thought they posted on here,
perhaps now we may all get a response to thier e-bay pratice
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hi boys i've seen them advertise a few times report it to ebay because as ebay sees it they should be selling a round and not just advertising it then not selling it. remember a auction on ebay is classed as a contract. so if you won the auction you have accepted a contract and the seller has to sell at that price. report as a non selling seller. i think you have to wait at least 7 days before reporting. 3 strikes and they are out.
just my pennies worth ;) ;)
regards
Paul
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havent seen it yet but you can withdraw from aution before 12 hours of ending seller that is and many do use ebay as a advertising site . does it say anything thing in sellers terms and conditions if so they are covered not to sell.
its a hard one and i think ebay has got it wrong.
place a bid off 1000 cus it wont half cost them in sellers fees lol
because they will contact ebay saying you are a non payer then you reply saying that they would sell, ebay will take this as they are in the wrong and still charge them lol.
ps i have 5000+ feedback on ebay
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havent seen it yet but you can withdraw from aution before 12 hours of ending seller that is and many do use ebay as a advertising site . does it say anything thing in sellers terms and conditions if so they are covered not to sell.
its a hard one and i think ebay has got it wrong.
place a bid off 1000 cus it wont half cost them in sellers fees lol
because they will contact ebay saying you are a non payer then you reply saying that they would sell, ebay will take this as they are in the wrong and still charge them lol.
ps i have 5000+ feedback on ebay
good idea ;)
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I would imagine Window Cleaning Rounds will secretly submit a high value bid to avoid this happening to 'Grafters' again. I think it is morally wrong what WCR are doing advertising on ebay with no minimum limit and not honouring the sellers accepted winning bid. WCR only use ebay for free advertising and should be struck off as a bad seller!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WCR don't impress me as a well run, HONEST, company I could trust. I would never use them! I would prefer to get off my backside and canvass if I needed to then use their services. I just don't trust them!!!!!!!
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Jay did you look at their feedback before you bid. It looks pritty bad.
Steve
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Well, thanks guys, Im in Hampshire and was thinking of using those guys to increase my workload, I DEFFO wont now ;D
Matt
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Send them an email with the threat of court action.
Macc
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He already gets a bit of a frosty welcome when he post on the forum. I doubt it will get any better ;D
Wayne
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another messer who who has not done himself no favours. bit like that other
numpty who advertised on here who tought he was the dogs b:lox.
canvass your own work dont p:ss your money up the wall.
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WCR don't impress me as a well run, HONEST, company I could trust. I would never use them! I would prefer to get off my backside and canvass if I needed to then use their services. I just don't trust them!!!!!!!
I offer a canvassing service to window cleaners but i am definately honest and trustworthy ...... dont tar us all with the WCR brush!
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thanx for all your input guys,
general speaking i would normally canvass my own work
(as some of you suggest) however i did bid upto £10-01 to see what would happen and low and behold i was shocked to find out that i had won.
needles to say i would have gladly paid the money to get all that extra work but that wasn't to be.
by the way i have now bidded on the new auction just to see what happens this time. ;)
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I THINK MAYBE TURNING INTO A HE SHE WITH THE BRA LOL LOL OR TRYING TO DISGUISE HIM SELF LOL LOL LOL ;D
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The easiest way to get the auction removed is to scroll down the page and hit the report this listing button, it gives you a list of reasons, just pick one and then continue to submit an email, the only one ebay are interested in is circumvention of ebay fees, that gets them gone quick ;D
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To all Reading this post,
We are sorry for any inconvenience caused to anyone.
We use ebay and have done successfully now for over a year.
We have take on board your comments, as someone pointed out, ebay is used all the time to get enquirys and maybe to sell existing rounds, with which a reserve is put in place.
If you read the print at the bottom it does say "REMEMBER WHEN CONTACTING US< PLEASE LEAVE A CONTACT NUMBER, THANKS - There is no need to place an order/bid"
If this has caused problems to some on this forum, then I will remove the ads right away until we have worded all adverts correctly.
Please note that if you would like to know more about our services and how we can assist you in the growth of your business, then we would love to hear from you.
Many thanks
Nathan
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If you read the print at the bottom it does say "REMEMBER WHEN CONTACTING US< PLEASE LEAVE A CONTACT NUMBER, THANKS - There is no need to place an order/bid"
I can understand you are here now to defend your corner, but no where on this auction can I find any reference to not placing a bid.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330130943469
Wayne
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If you read the print at the bottom it does say "REMEMBER WHEN CONTACTING US< PLEASE LEAVE A CONTACT NUMBER, THANKS - There is no need to place an order/bid"
I can understand you are here now to defend your corner, but no where on this auction can I find any reference to not placing a bid.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330130943469
Wayne
you are right Wayne it does not state that anywhere
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A surprise turn up, Nathan rang me this morning to apologise whole heartedly and explained that the item should have stated PLEASE DO NOT BID and has now removed it from e-bay
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Thank you Jay.
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"There is no need to place an order/bid"
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that is what it said...
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"There is no need to place an order/bid"
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that is what it said...
you are not paying attention steve, the 1st listing (that i won)
it did not say that see
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330130943469&rd=1&rd=1
it was added on the 2nd time it was listed
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Thank you Jay.
no problem
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Credit to Nathan for not hiding from this post and resolving this issue with Jay “Grafters”
As mentioned earlier Nathan always seems to get a frosty reception and looked like it was about to get worse.
We all make mistakes and it takes an honest man to apologise.
Credit to Jay also for being professional in his acceptance.
Only my opinion.
Wayne
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WCR don't impress me as a well run, HONEST, company I could trust. I would never use them! I would prefer to get off my backside and canvass if I needed to then use their services. I just don't trust them!!!!!!!
I offer a canvassing service to window cleaners but i am definately honest and trustworthy ...... dont tar us all with the WCR brush!
mat99 my comment wasent aimed at anyone (especially you) i never tar anyone
that i dont know or have not dealt with. it was soley aimed at someone else. i think trevor and ronaldo know what im talking about. im sure your an honest
person and capable canvasser. but while im on the subject i would recomend
gemma from roundbuilders dealt with them no probs. but ive found something
better that suits me.
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Credit to Jay also for being professional in his acceptance.
Only my opinion.
Wayne
thanx wayne
regardless of what annoys you in life i always try to deal with matters that concern me in a professional manner