Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dai on May 31, 2007, 11:56:46 pm
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I didn't think it was possible with my prices, but I did it today.
I would like to be able to say that I went out a 10 and had finished by 3.30, I would be lying. I started at 8.30 and put the gear back in the van at 7.40 this evening.
That's one hell of a long day on compact domestics, only moved the van 200 yards all day. 223.50 for 11 hours of hard graft, and that works out at just over £20 per hour.
I'm due my old age pension in a couple of months. Maybe time to take things easier.
At least I can keep my promise to the kids, and take them camping tomorrow. Dai
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Well done Dai! This time next year youll b a millionaire!
Only joking ;D ;D
Seriously Good on you mate! But one hell of a long day
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Well done!
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wow
7.40
i dont think i would want to work for that long
but well done any hows
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Nice one!
Just think if we could do that every day! We would be loaded :D
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NICE ONE BET YOU FEEL PROUD OF YOURSELF.
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Well done Dai, it feels good don't you think ;)
You have a great time camping with the kids. 8)
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well done dai :)
next you will be on here saying you earn 20 K a week ;)
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next you will be on here saying you earn 20 K a week
That would be nice!
I find where I live that many People living in 2-4 bed terraced houses or semi detached houses will happily pay between £6.50 & £12 for their windows to be cleaned every four weeks, and sometimes a little more depending on the work (if you add all glass porches and conservatories).
If they grumble a bit when I quote, I politely remind them of what a Hobby or habit can cost in a month by comparison and they quite often come round (especially if they have such a hobby or habit).
At these prices you can achieve £200 a day in 7 or 8 hours. This is quite helpful if you live in an area where you get a lot of rain as it saves you working in the rain a lot of the time.
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Isnt it gr8 when you have one of those really good feeling high earning days. Only thing is today you probably feel Knxxacxerd and lose out, been there and done it.
I found its best to have average days otherwide I get an "RO steam rollered" feeling ;) - unless your one of the new kids on the block that can achieve absolutely anything and bounce back next day as good as ever.
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unless your one of the new kids on the block that can achieve absolutely anything and bounce back next day as good as ever.
I've got a mate like that. He's not a new kid on the block by any stretch of the imagination but he's a human dynamo. He bounces back after about half an hour after getting home. If I had half the energy he's got I be happy.
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nice work fella!
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Don,t mean to offend, but you must be seriously UNDERPRICING for that kind of return.
Push up your prices you,ll be suprised how little (if any) business you lose and you'll make the same monetary return for a lot less work.
work smarter not harder !!
Regards
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well done dai .u ar a credit to us but like someone said b fore me ad 50 p . or pound to ur customers.n cut down hours .;;ps we not getting any younger .
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well done mate, i have yet to do that myself, most days i get near it but something always happens >:(
good one though mate ;)
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like someone said b fore me ad 50 p . or pound to ur customers.n cut down hours .;;ps we not getting any younger .
We just can't get those high prices round here, and remain with a compact round.
I did put these up a £1 each 3 months ago. All are priced between £6 and £14.
I have no intention of trying this too often, I'm usually happy with £125 a day, working from 9 till 5. Longer on collection nights.
Getting 10 extra containers is a big help, my Mrs fills the empty ones when I'm out working. Now I can come home, chuck the empty ones out, and load up for next day with the ones she's filled.
I see myself as the average grafting cleaner. The area where I work will never get me into the premier league of window cleaning, and that's the same for many of us
working in less affluent areas. Dai
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I've never earned that. £110 is my top, and very often it is only£60. So who am I too offer advice. Suffice it to say not knowing what i'm talking about has never stopped me in the past.
Firstly I like you Dia because you are hard working and honest.
You need to invest money. Stop playing at it and go fully wfp. Prices not withstanding, how soon would you get your money back earning £100 extra every day with less physical effort.
You've obviously got the work, and the motivation. At the very least look into this possibility by disscsuing it with one of the more senior members on here who you respect.(I mean more of a business man than a shiner).
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Reading your birthday thread post I see you do have breadth of vision.(and a few bob)
You haven't got any excuse then, get a van, do the job properly, recoup your investment inside a few months. Doing things on the cheap and skimping is the more difficult route.
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You need to invest money. Stop playing at it and go fully wfp. Prices not withstanding, how soon would you get your money back earning £100 extra every day with less physical effort.
I have been fully WFP since the clocks went back last year, prior to that I was fully WFP when my misses worked with me. I was doing tops only for a short time, but to be honest, I find I gain very little speed wise by doing the bottoms WFP.
standard patio doors for example are just as quick to do with a Wagtail, especially if they bead.
Adding £100 a day by going WFP is in my opinion giving the wrong impression of WFP's capabilities. It's a good tool, but not that good. I think that an overall increase of 20% is more realistic on domestic work. Maybe I take too long rinsing. Dai
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Working out of 25litre containers is not fully wfp.
I didn't mention it to argue. You know your own business better than I do.Forget I said anything.
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Well done Dai. Mind you that seems like a very long day. My first £200er was before I went WFP but it was because I had four very well priced jobs all in one day most of which I lost years ago (two of them moved away and one stopped having the insides done).
Tomorrow I have some pretty decently priced work to do. I will be going for my first ever £300er. I suppose living in the southeast of England does help a bit though. I attempted a £300er this time six weeks ago on the last time I did this part of the round. It proved beyond me though as one of the jobs was a first clean and took too long. This time it will be rather easier.
Here's to the time when most of my round will be like this instead of just the better bits.
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I work an average 6 hour day and clear £250+ profit and I do traditional window cleaning. I used reach and smear for 3 years but can no longer ignore the lack of customer satisfaction and the fact that there is a lot more money to be made out of employing atleast 1 lad to do tops for you and keeping your prices good. Id be interested to hear if anyone else finds this to be the case?
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I'm getting close to it sometimes now I'm on the pole.
If the right jobs fall on the right day it'll happen soon.
My average now is 40-50% more than I was doing trad, and I was a fast worker too.
What I have noticed is that I expect more now, and a big day doesn't impress me like it used to.
I had a record day today, but I drove home sort of "ho-hum"
A figure 20 or 30 quid less than today a few months ago, and I would have been grinning ear to ear.
I turned my nose up to wfp for years, but I'm eating my words. :-[
I reckon if you can't do it quicker by pole then you're not making the most of it, and your technique is wrong.
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I work an average 6 hour day and clear £250+ profit and I do traditional window cleaning. I used reach and smear for 3 years but can no longer ignore the lack of customer satisfaction and the fact that there is a lot more money to be made out of employing atleast 1 lad to do tops for you and keeping your prices good. Id be interested to hear if anyone else finds this to be the case?
so what would be your gross for 6 hours?
tony
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Turnover for the two of us £330 ish I work off paying £60 wages and Twenty quid a day running cost fuel, insurance etc. I didnt think that was especially good as some of my mates make a lot more.
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We've kind of drifted off complimenting Dai for his hard work, but it's still on topic I think...
Mattywig; If you are going to employ someone to do the tops then I'd think again, if you yourself wish to climb ladders, fair enough, but no way on earth would I now allow anyone who worked for me to climb more than a few steps up a pointer ladder.
It really is not worth the risk.
If you are knocking out £250 doing trad in 6 hours then good on you, you must have very well priced accounts.
£330 fr 2 of you working together is also very good, particularly if you are mostly domestic.
If you are doing £250+ per day then you are doing way, way better than most window cleaners, and £330 per day means that you also have to be VAT reg, hell, £250 a day means the same thing too!
That is an absolutely staggering earning rate dude.
Good for you if you are managing that, most won't.
Ian
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Turnover for the two of us £330 ish I work off paying £60 wages and Twenty quid a day running cost fuel, insurance etc. I didnt think that was especially good as some of my mates make a lot more.
I wish i could beleive you ::)
tony
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Turnover for the two of us £330 ish I work off paying £60 wages and Twenty quid a day running cost fuel, insurance etc. I didnt think that was especially good as some of my mates make a lot more.
I wish i could beleive you ::)
tony
I'm not sure why you don't. It sounds very doable for someone who has worked to build up their business.
Mind you, I do see a smiley in your post so maybe you're just having a laugh.
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Glad to here that some of my fellow w/cleaning Brethren are getting a wage that they fully deserve. I hope every one on the forum can knock out a £200 day if they work hard. You have to have your work priced correctly though for this to happen.
Never mind giving the excuse that customers wont pay a higher price round where you live. If that really is the case venture into a diffrent area. Local villages ,even if they are 50 miles away.
I got a new customer yesterday £45.00. I am £20.00 more expensive then her current trad w/c. I told her if she wants to save money stick with her current w/c BUT the fact that she as asked me for a price not the other way round shows she is willing to pay for the job to be done properly.
I live in an area where most w/c are as cheap as chips. Not me, I know what I am worth and I charge what I see is a Fair price for the very professional sevice I give. I have been a w/c since 1980 and my round is expanding like mad at the momment due to wfp.
My mate holds the record round here for the most earned in a day between my freinds. The record stands at £506.00 at the momment. This is for earnings by one person in a day on domestic work.
Its not made up, the lad did a very long day working at high speed. He was wrecked at the end of the day.
I will be aiming to beat it in July as I am manovering some accounts around for just one big 12 hour day. I will be targeting £550.00 all domestic. No breaks all day. I will just go flat out and eat on the move.
Nel
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2 guys to do £330.00in 6 hours works out at £27.50 per hour per man.
Nowt wrong with that.
I aim for that, as an average. Well, currently trying to put in new prices at £30/hr
Well done if you can keep that up.
Matt
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Its not made up, the lad did a very long day working at high speed. He was wrecked at the end of the day.
I wasn't that tired ;D ;D
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2 guys to do £330.00in 6 hours works out at £27.50 per hour per man.
Nowt wrong with that.
I aim for that, as an average. Well, currently trying to put in new prices at £30/hr
Well done if you can keep that up.
Matt
You may well aim for it but do you earn it each & every day?
It's not what is possible to earn in a day but rather what you can earn every day at a sustainable rate that gives a true reflection of your earning power.
tony
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2 guys to do £330.00in 6 hours works out at £27.50 per hour per man.
Nowt wrong with that.
I aim for that, as an average. Well, currently trying to put in new prices at £30/hr
Well done if you can keep that up.
Matt
You may well aim for it but do you earn it each & every day?
It's not what is possible to earn in a day but rather what you can earn every day at a sustainable rate that gives a true reflection of your earning power.
tony
Not entirely sure, I doubt it in all honesty, but there are a good few days throughout my round when I do. Having said that theres also days when I average £90.00 an hour, but thats once every 6 weeks.
I would imagine my average is about a fiver below what I would like, but my pricing structure now is designed to pick up new work at £30.00 an hour, the older stuff to be increased in price and some old tat to be binned.
Maybe in 6 months I might be able to say my average is at the level I want, wouldnt be bad for someone with dodgy knees and ligaments !!
I would imagine if I was 10 or 15 years younger Id knock £30.00 an hour day in day out no problem
Matt
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& you're right matt, there's nowt wrong wi 30 quid an hour, it's just that when talking about earnings, i think it's important for us all that we're honest & not to take a "best days ever earnings" & flowt it about on here as if it's what is being earned day in day out.
This isn't aimed at anyone in paticular either.
tony
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xxmattxx, i couldn't earn £80 per day trad. I wasn't very good. I used poles app and blade for ups, but I had no complaints.
However, if you class my earnings as more typical, again typicaly, now I am wfp I can double that,(maybe £160). This is why Dai's post is interesting to most of us.You are unique in being the only person I have ever heard of who earns more by having traveled in the opposite direction.
If I can make one observation about people bragging about how much they earn, and this is not aimed at you Matt, from other comments.such as can't afford a van, haven't got a garage,can't RO water,etc, it very often turns out they live in a one bedroomed council flat.
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£250 profit for a six hour day is just an average I have a some better but not very much worse. Iwasn't trying to brag just trying to test the water for what other people are doing. I do think the two of us are pretty fast my prices probably average £6 per house and 55 to 60 houses in 6 hours is a regular day for us. I find that if I only do short days I am a lot more productive thats why I stick to 6 hours because it is sustainable.
I do genuinely have 3 friends a bit older than me that are on paper millionaires largely due to window cleaning so amongst my mates I am small fry anyway!!!!! :)
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I do think the two of us are pretty fast my prices probably average £6 per house and 55 to 60 houses in 6 hours is a regular day for us. I find that if I only do short days I am a lot more productive thats why I stick to 6 hours because it is sustainable.
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if my calcs are right, and they might not be, ive had a long day
thats 10 houses a hour, thats really fast, 6 mins a house
that doesnt add up, thats not including time between houses, i guess you dont collect on the day
are my calc's wrong here ?? ??
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9 or 10 an hour they are mostly 2 or 3 bed semis and I knock for money as soon as I start the windows this gives them time to get it ready for when you finish. If they are not in we just do the windows and leave a ticket. I do fronts and the guy who works for me who is also quick does backs. I have about 1200 customers all 4 weekly. If that answers your question?
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Exactly what I was thinking Matt.
Absolutely no chance.
I'm quicker than most, and 4 average houses an hour is going some.
10 mins per house + a couple of mins waiting for money and moving to the next house.
That would mean he's doing the windows in about 3 or 4 minutes. ;D
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Exactly what I was thinking Matt.
Absolutely no chance.
I'm quicker than most, and 4 average houses an hour is going some.
10 mins per house + a couple of mins waiting for money and moving to the next house.
That would mean he's doing the windows in about 3 or 4 minutes. ;D
then the time to move between houses, this must add up over the day
unless Starship Enterprise beams them to the next house :P :P
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9 or 10 an hour they are mostly 2 or 3 bed semis and I knock for money as soon as I start the windows this gives them time to get it ready for when you finish. If they are not in we just do the windows and leave a ticket. I do fronts and the guy who works for me who is also quick does backs. I have about 1200 customers all 4 weekly. If that answers your question?
my question was about the time, 6 mins per house seems very fast to me, a 3 bed semi around me has 5 upstairs windows, thats 2 front and back on 1 on the side, thats 2 or 3 ladder climbs per house
and then the time to collect, i guess you dont "chat" to your customers much, this is my downfall, i have time for a quick chat which can turn into 5 mins easy
i would hate to see you get made a cuppa, asbestos thoat ;)
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Don't believe me! Remember that there are two of us almost exclusively doing new estate houses. You have just said that you can do 4 an hour on your own so that would be 8 an hour for two of you. Is it so unbelievable that there is someone out there 15% faster than you? Knocking after you have finished windows wastes time that why I knock as I am cleaning them and 4 to 5 mins for 3 windows on a front is probably about right I would say. Never mind
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your right! I keep the crack short and sweet and prefer the odd drink of pop to a coffee! Id have no tonsils left otherwise!!!!!
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In part of my round ive got a housing estate with about 180 terraced houses i can do it easily in 4 days traditional it all depends on the types of houses.
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10 per hour ,6 hours a day,= 60 a day 5 days a week = 300 times 4weeks =1200
you must be the only guy on this site with 1200 identical houses
my prices range from £500 down to £4
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Glad to here that some of my fellow w/cleaning Brethren are getting a wage that they fully deserve. I hope every one on the forum can knock out a £200 day if they work hard. You have to have your work priced correctly though for this to happen.
Never mind giving the excuse that customers wont pay a higher price round where you live. If that really is the case venture into a diffrent area. Local villages ,even if they are 50 miles away.
I got a new customer yesterday £45.00. I am £20.00 more expensive then her current trad w/c. I told her if she wants to save money stick with her current w/c BUT the fact that she as asked me for a price not the other way round shows she is willing to pay for the job to be done properly.
I live in an area where most w/c are as cheap as chips. Not me, I know what I am worth and I charge what I see is a Fair price for the very professional sevice I give. I have been a w/c since 1980 and my round is expanding like mad at the momment due to wfp.
My mate holds the record round here for the most earned in a day between my freinds. The record stands at £506.00 at the momment. This is for earnings by one person in a day on domestic work.
Its not made up, the lad did a very long day working at high speed. He was wrecked at the end of the day.
I will be aiming to beat it in July as I am manovering some accounts around for just one big 12 hour day. I will be targeting £550.00 all domestic. No breaks all day. I will just go flat out and eat on the move.
Nel
£506? That sounds great but not if he needed to take the next day off to recover. (Wasn't it someone called Archie?). I have managed £284 for an 8 and a half hour day but that is still exceptional for me. Need to get the rest of my business priced up like that but that may take a while.
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10 houses an hour I don't believe, not even for two people, I completely agree with Matt, that isn't 6 mins a house though, it's got to be more like 4 mins, maybe even less than than that to achieve those kind of figures in 6 hours, I'm very well aware of time & motion studies, and new estates or not, not all houses are the same, you still have to relate to customers, write out whatever kind of chit/invoice you use, negotiate obstacles, locked gates, flower beds and so on and so forth. not forgetting that you have to move between houses and between streets too.
No one is going to have work so compact that they have 60 houses, day in, day out all next door to one another!
no allowances either for tea breaks, lunch breaks or time to answer the call of nature, these things all have to happen.
I don't even believe you could knock out 60 houses in 6 hours on even the odd day where things go perfectly.
If you had said you had plenty of large, well priced work I could just about believe those earning figures, or at least have given you the benefit of the doubt.
And as I said in my earlier post, those figures put you way over the VAT limit too, even allowing for lost time due to bad weather and holidays, you would have quarterly figures that would make registering for VAT a necessity.
The vast majority of window cleaners turn over less than 20k per year, more along the lines of 17 or 18k.
Sole traders doing 50k plus are very rare on the ground, and sole traders that are earning above 60k are even rarer, those that are doing so will have a large element of commercial work.
The very few that might manage those figures on domestic work won't be doing so on £6.00 semi's.
Ian
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& you're right matt, there's nowt wrong wi 30 quid an hour, it's just that when talking about earnings, i think it's important for us all that we're honest & not to take a "best days ever earnings" & flowt it about on here as if it's what is being earned day in day out.
This isn't aimed at anyone in paticular either.
tony
Quite agreed. Although my best ever day was not far off £300, there are (short) days when I feel lazy and don't even reach £100. My problem is that because I use WFP, the workload that used to be a full one for me now gives me the equivalent of two weeks off in every six. I reckon that if I had a full workload, I could comfortably sustain around the £170 mark with a fair number of days over £200. My body tends to suffer a bit if I try too much. I suppose that's a legacy of being 50 and not having looked after myself so well.
I remember some years ago I had a very good year by (my) trad standards. I ended up needing acupressure treatment for months as I had overdone it. I don't see the point of earning loads and going through that pain. I would rather take less and feel more comfortable with myself.
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I didn't join the conversation about daily earnings to be called a liar I joined it to see if I could do better but I see there is no need. Carry on plodding on like the little nougat you are Ian I'm sure your 50 quid a day will suit you fine!
Cheers for confidence boost.
P.S anyone need advice on how to make less than minimum wage contact Ian.
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That's quite amusing actually mate, because I've seen Ian do your daily takings in 2 hours. ;D
It's not my place to disclose his earnings, but it sometimes absolutely dwarfs your days. ;)
I do hope he tells you his best day... ;D
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I believe you to be right I hope Ian does dwarf my earnings and I would love him to let me know as it would give me something new to work toward. However I would not dispute what he said or say that it was not possible I would be respectful and interested in how he did it. However he hasn't given me the same courtesy and so he is still a nouggat! ;D
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Mattywig
After giving your post more thought i now think your quoted earnings are acheivable. My doubt is that you could maintain this rate day in day out.
This is a genuine doubt & not meant to be disrespectfull or anything.
tony
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I ended up needing acupressure treatment for months as I had overdone it. I don't see the point of earning loads and going through that pain. I would rather take less and feel more comfortable with myself.
Chap
You're not that far away from littlehampton - if you get any problems like that again go and see this guy http://www.drtwpetersmd.co.uk/
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Ian. are you honestly telling me that you cant clean 3 or 4 windows in 4 minutes??? Thats what most of my fronts and backs have on them flat windows as I said I have lots of very compact work on new developments often 30+ houses per street, I park up and never move my van in a day. I try to price at roughly 80 to 90p per window. If two good window cleaners cant average 55 quid an hour on that then they are doing something wrong. i wish you could see the sort of rounds im talking about I hate to bang on but i need to stress that im not lieing and would see know point in doing so.
Anyways hope you will share your secret as the reason I posted my comment was that I hoped people like you were dwarfing my earnings and they would share their secrets as my 3 mates earn over 100k per annum but do so by starting work on commercial at 4am each morning and don't get home till 5 and im just not prepared to do those sort of hours.
AAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!! I hate not being believed damm it!
AAAAAARRRGHHHHH!! I hate
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AAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!! I hate not being believed damm it!
AAAAAARRRGHHHHH!! I hate
Don't believe you ;D
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cheers tony!!! and you are right there are days that I get stopped short of doing my six hours im not a robot i.e rain/fone call from the wife!!!!!. However I make it a priority to never let my hourly rate drop for instance yesterday in the northeast got rained off at 1pm did £215 quid in the four hours we did.
Thanks again I was beginning to regret registering with this site!!! I only did to find out ways to improve there is soooo much to this window cleaning malarccy!!!! ;D ;D
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Earnings are always a touchy subject on here, where abouts in north east?
tony
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I ended up needing acupressure treatment for months as I had overdone it. I don't see the point of earning loads and going through that pain. I would rather take less and feel more comfortable with myself.
Chap
You're not that far away from littlehampton - if you get any problems like that again go and see this guy http://www.drtwpetersmd.co.uk/
Thanks for that. I've saved it into my favourites. Hopefully I will never need such a service again but the probability is that I will one day.
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Matty, Rog is right, I do have a couple of days where I earn very, very good money indeed, but that just happens to be very well priced work that I used to do trad, and that I now do in half the time due to WFP...actually, what took me 4 hours or 5 hours now takes me just over an hour in one instance.
I don't bang on about it (earnings wise) because it is atypical.
Can I clean 4 windows in 4 minutes, each window having..say...4 panes?
With WFP certainly, no argument there, and I'll throw in the frames and sills too in that time.
Could I do that trad?
In short, no, and I doubt many others could either.
Like many of us on here I am a quick window cleaner, but you still have to position your ladder, clinb it, clean window, climb down ladder and move to the next window.
You then have to clean the two downstairs windows, you might, just might manage to do two windows with 4 panes per window in a minute apiece, but you would be motoring. Not all windows are straight forward to clean, even the best of us have to detail some panes, and sills have to be wiped.
Not all windows are easy to get too, not all windows can be done without use of a pointer ladder (or at least a ladder of some description)
And you still have to move between houses, knock doors, collect money, write out invoices.
Some customers will talk to you, even if it is only to pass the time of day while they ferret around in their purse for the money, or write you out a cheque.
Not all windows are going to be identical, new build houses (at least around here) are often 3 floor affairs, over time, people have conservatories, extensions, patio doors, leaded style panes.
Over the years I have done plenty of time and motion studies, to get the most out those who have worked for me I found it essential to work out these things.
I would love you to make me eat my words, and I would also be more than happy to come on here to tell all that I was wrong and that you really can do all you say you can, I might even be persuaded to come and watch you for a day, lets face it, that's the best way for you to make me eat dirt.
There was another guy some time back who claimed he was like lightning, few of us believed him at the time, but someone went along and watched him in action and he proved he was as good as his word.
So I know there are people out there who can truly fly!
But 60 houses in 6 hours?
I'm sorry, but I'd need to see it with my own eyes to believe it Matty.
A sole trader will do a standard semi with 10 windows, start to finish, (walking up path, cleaning, knocking on door to collect money, walking down path) in 15 to 20 minutes.
THAT is a reasonable target time.
3 or 4 an hour is possible for Mr Average Window Cleaner, if he can average 4 an hour he is doing very well indeed, most will be lucky to average 3 an hour, and that would be on pretty compact work too.
In this by the way I am talking trad, not WFP, and of work done to a good standard.
time to get to work!
Where in the Northeast are you Matty?
Maybe I could skive a day off to come watch you and the guy who works for you in action sometime??
Prove me wrong and I'll buy you and your mate a pint at the end of the day ;)
Ian
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Mattywig,
For what its worth I beleive you.
I find too many w/cleaners judge what another w/c do or how fast he can work based soley on their own speed or w/c they know.
To earn the money you have stated you need first of all need the prices to be right, Your prices are spot on, you need the round to be compact so your not traveling between streets or diffrent areas wasting earning time, Spot on again.
You dont waste time by knocking for the money when you have finnished the house and waiting for the customer to find their purse.
You must have fast hand speed and fast climbing and descending ladder speed, I was very Fast as a Trad w/c but it was my speed on the ladder that made me a lot faster then many w/c I have watched and I could keep that tempo up for a 5 day week.
I have even worn my heart rate monitor to check what my average heart rate was whilst I was working. My heart rate never went above 110 all day. So if you are fairly fit you can crack on for a full day no problem. Just to compare I can run a 10k road race with my heart rate averaging 168 bpm. I am 49 and fit as a butchers dog.
On a normal day I never earn below £250 and thats going at a nice steady pace all day. All my work this week if the rain lets me get a full day in will net me over £300 a day.
I am a sole trader who earns over the £50,000.00 a year mark. I dont try to shoot people down just because they write down how fast they are or how much they earn. I dont view them or me as bragging, I take the view if they are as fast as they say they are then I can be as well, If that person is earning that much then I know I can earn that much as well. It should inspire us all to be more efficent or to run our w/c Buisness in a more Proficient way to maximise potentiol earnings. It should not bring out our negative side were we start to cast dispersions on a persons character due to our own shortcomings.
If a w/c posts on here that he earns 100k a year, I would give him a silent toast and say good for you, well done. It would not upset me in the slightest that someone earns more then me.
I was hoping to cut back my work next year to give me more free time but less earnings, But due to how expensive houseing as become I am going to work hard for a few more years to help my lads get on the houseing market.
Lets just be willing to give credit to someone who works hard and a little trust hey boys.
Nel.
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I class myself as your average plodding on shiner. Some of the earnings I read on here, Well I wish.
I do have compact work but not the best prices, that's my fault.
This is what I find, new builds tend to be younger customers. The estates are virtual ghost towns during the day, 70% of the houses being empty when I clean them.
Many of these have a car parked outside, I never know if they are in or not.
If I knock for the money I have to wait a reasonable amount of time to let the customers answer the door. Knocking when you start as opposed to when you finish would save time. I do think this is a bit cheeky though. It also gives them a chance to say "not this time". Even if you do this, you still have to stop in mid rinse to take the money off them, put your pole down, give change. All this takes up precious seconds.
If they are out, you have to call back, many younger customers don't do cheques any more.
I believe that Ian has got it about right where average earnings are concerned. Most sole trading window cleaners will be making between £500 and £600 a week on average working five days.
When I was young and fit, I could work 6 hours flat out. This was doing hard, heavy work where the more I did the more I was paid. A job where I lost two stone in weight in spite of stuffing all the food I could eat.
Window cleaning is not the same, It's not that hard. The secret is remaining totally focused on a mundane job. Once you switch to auto pilot your losing speed. I can only remain that focused if I am timing each job with the watch.
Hats off to those of you that can. I'm happy to carry on plodding. Dai
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Neil,
I'm not disputing earnings, I know of another local window cleaner on the forum who earns similar to yourself and is usually home and dry not long after lunch, and he does almost all domestic work too.
His work is all very well priced though.
Matty says his average semi is priced at £6.00 and that two guys whack out 60 of them day in, day out in just 6 hours, and that's the bit I struggle with.
They may well be doing that, and if they are I truly take my hat off to them, but if they are then they are exceptional, very, very few will ever be that fast.
I've had days where I've topped almost £600...whoopy-woo!, and I've had days where I've topped £200 on commercial and then gone on to top £200 on domestic...wish I could do that every day, but I can't.
Today for instance I'll be lucky to top much more than a ton (would help if I was out at work now and not replying to a post on here! ::))
Also, two people working together are not as efficient as two people working separately.
Time I got back to attempting to earn a living methinks :P
Ian
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i was the first to question the times
6 mins a house really eqates to about 4 mins per house in working time, that just does add up
i can "squirt and run" on my house, give them a quick brush with WFP up and down and it still takes longer than 4 mins
i dont doublt he earns that much, its just the times per house i have a issue with
we have seen people come on here and day they earn 5 K a week aswell
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With reference to the five-hundred-quid-a-day posts:
I honestly don't think we should talk about earnings on this forum. I've not read all of the back posts, but I can understand why some members do a really good day; hit a new 'top day' and post about it, because I've done the same.
It's not the money; not really; it's the achievement of having hit that new mile-stone.
Personally, I'm happy to make enough in the first two weeks of each new month to cover all my living/working expenses; and I then cruise the next two weeks. If I/We want a day-or-two-or-even-three off; we do and enjoy it.
We aren't rich in monetary terms, but we are given our quality of life and lack of stress that stems from work; and I can tell a few stories about stressful working conditions!
A guy local to me can make on his best day, what Wor Lass and I do on a 'slack week'. But hey, he's been going 17 years longer than me; and I wouldn't have done some of those accounts 'pre-WFP'; but he did; so he deserves what he's earning; but I'm still happy what we turn-over.
I recently saw in a shop a sign advertising for workers "5.35 pounds per hour, rising to 5.50 per hour after three months" (does 15p an hour make a difference to some people's lives in the UK?). One of my customers works there and I charge her 8.50 per month to clean her windows and it must take me 15 minutes!
I'm happy with what we charge and the amount of work we do.
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Actually I feel almost humbled sometimes, I do the Spar shop where my missus works, I do their shop and a couple either side on tuesday mornings, I go in with my missus when she opens up the shop at 6.45am, by 7.15am I'm done and sipping a cup of tea made by one of the girls in Spar...I've done £30.50 and my wife hasn't even earned £3.00...and I find that humbling....
Like Tosh I'm mostly content to make £xxxx per week, I have certain targets I like to hit, but I'm not as ambitious as I once was...I'm pretty content actually!
Like Dai I'm quite happy to plod along...but I'm doing ok by and large, don't get me wrong mind, slow I'm not and my prices are not cheap, I like to be efficient at what I do (hence so many time and motion studies over the years).
I'm not so much burnt out as smouldering fitfully ;D
Ian
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On a normal day I never earn below £250 and thats going at a nice steady pace all day. All my work this week if the rain lets me get a full day in will net me over £300 a day.
I am a sole trader who earns over the £50,000.00 a year mark. I dont try to shoot people down just because they write down how fast they are or how much they earn. I dont view them or me as bragging, I take the view if they are as fast as they say they are then I can be as well, If that person is earning that much then I know I can earn that much as well. It should inspire us all to be more efficent or to run our w/c Buisness in a more Proficient way to maximise potentiol earnings. It should not bring out our negative side were we start to cast dispersions on a persons character due to our own shortcomings.
If a w/c posts on here that he earns 100k a year, I would give him a silent toast and say good for you, well done. It would not upset me in the slightest that someone earns more then me.
I was hoping to cut back my work next year to give me more free time but less earnings, But due to how expensive houseing as become I am going to work hard for a few more years to help my lads get on the houseing market.
Lets just be willing to give credit to someone who works hard and a little trust hey boys.
Nel.
Good attitude Neil IMO. I would rather see someone get on - even if they do better than me. I feel that I'm a long way from attaining your type of income but mine has increased quite a bit this year and I can see that close to a grand a week average will be possible for me one day. It's a matter of plugging away, pricingf well, ditch the dross. Keep doing that enough times and one day I will be earning a lot more than I do currently.
I'm not going to reach the target I set myself for this accounting year but my attempt to reach it has meant that my turnover has gone up a lot. There was a time that I would have seen myselfas a failure for not hitting my target but in reality, I'm reasonably pleased with my performance. When I consider how much I'm turning over and that I take a fair bit of time off, I think I've done OK really.
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i was the first to question the times
6 mins a house really eqates to about 4 mins per house in working time, that just does add up
i can "squirt and run" on my house, give them a quick brush with WFP up and down and it still takes longer than 4 mins
i dont doublt he earns that much, its just the times per house i have a issue with
we have seen people come on here and day they earn 5 K a week aswell
I can do some standard 3 bed semis (10 frames) in 6 minutes if the access is great and I just count the cleaning time (excluding preparation, putting stuff away and collecting). I wouldn't fancy doing it hour after hour though.
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hi all
its good to see everyone is earning better money than a year or so ago, i too have increased my earnings i work 3 days a week and average days work is 250-300 one man all flats and houses on the days i do offices a bit more.
my best day to date was 566.00 last week tuesday on my own started at 10:00 and finished at 3:30
but i was shattered.
shawn
keep up those good prices boys.
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I can do some standard 3 bed semis (10 frames) in 6 minutes if the access is great and I just count the cleaning time (excluding preparation, putting stuff away and collecting). I wouldn't fancy doing it hour after hour though.
Same here shiner, but that is also WFP and not trad!
But houses vary too much, I have one bunch of houses in particular...8 of them, more or less next door to one another, 3 on one side of the road, 4 on the other and I can park the van in one spot and do the lot without having to move van.
The 3 on the one side are fairly identical houses, but the windows themselves vary as does access.
the other 4 are similar but different!...if you see what I mean, one is a little larger than it's neighbour, another has a large conservatory and georgian windows and the other also has an awkward conservatory but UPVC windows.
Worth £87 in total and done usually in about 2 maybe 2 & 1/2 hours.
so that is a potential earning rate of over £250 in 6 hours, which shows that I fully believe such things are possible.
The reality is that for the most part it doesn't work out to that at the end of the days work, other factors already mentioned creep into the equation.
But the work has to be well priced, to work trad and for one man to relentlessly bang out 5 semi's an hour for £6.00 a pop, day in and day out is I think mostly unachievable....but there was that guy sometime back on the forum that was working at that rate.
But then you stick a second guy into the mix and now you are doing 10 houses and hour, well, you might do that if you are working separately, but I don't think it is possible if you are working together, efficiency falls away.
Enough musing, I've a cricket match to cancel :'( So a spit load of phone calls to make...sigh
Ian
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Exactly Ian !!
I can run 100 metres in 10 seconds but that doesn't mean I could keep that pace up over a marathon of 26 miles. The same applies to windows. We all saw that video of Peter F cleaning a whole house in about 12seconds a while back. It was very entertaining but what does it prove? don't want to work that way
If there are valid ways of cutting out wasted time, like the tip about collecting money on the run, lets hear them. Its good info but in general, we all work out our own way of working and thats fine. Trying to rubbish another WC for taking his time and doing a good job is not on.
Cut the talk about earnings please guys. What you earn should be between you and your accountant. Putting numbers like that up on this forum creates the wrong impression to the gullable.
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£494 for a days work up a cradle, 100 of that for fellow worker. Builders clean last week, 7.00am to 10:30am, £162, block of flats 11.00am to 12:30 £75, home for 1.00pm, that's why I work p/t.
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I can do some standard 3 bed semis (10 frames) in 6 minutes if the access is great and I just count the cleaning time (excluding preparation, putting stuff away and collecting). I wouldn't fancy doing it hour after hour though.
Same here shiner, but that is also WFP and not trad!
But houses vary too much, I have one bunch of houses in particular...8 of them, more or less next door to one another, 3 on one side of the road, 4 on the other and I can park the van in one spot and do the lot without having to move van.
The 3 on the one side are fairly identical houses, but the windows themselves vary as does access.
the other 4 are similar but different!...if you see what I mean, one is a little larger than it's neighbour, another has a large conservatory and georgian windows and the other also has an awkward conservatory but UPVC windows.
Worth £87 in total and done usually in about 2 maybe 2 & 1/2 hours.
so that is a potential earning rate of over £250 in 6 hours, which shows that I fully believe such things are possible.
The reality is that for the most part it doesn't work out to that at the end of the days work, other factors already mentioned creep into the equation.
But the work has to be well priced, to work trad and for one man to relentlessly bang out 5 semi's an hour for £6.00 a pop, day in and day out is I think mostly unachievable....but there was that guy sometime back on the forum that was working at that rate.
But then you stick a second guy into the mix and now you are doing 10 houses and hour, well, you might do that if you are working separately, but I don't think it is possible if you are working together, efficiency falls away.
Enough musing, I've a cricket match to cancel :'( So a spit load of phone calls to make...sigh
Ian
I doubt I would have achieved those speeds trad. Maytbe over one or two houses if I had really gone for it but not hour after hour. Apart from that, working at that speed trad can make it easier to make a mistake on a ladder - especially as you tire. So even if I could sustain such a speed, I would probably choose not to - at least for upper windows.
There was a guy on the forum who was achieving such a speed some while back. I went up to visit him in the Summer of '05 and learned some tips about faster trad cleaning - then went for WFP several months later. Wish I had bumped into him years ago. He certainly was a flier and the work was of a reasonable standard too. I didn't adopt everything he showed me as I would have felt unsafe with some of it but I certainly saw enough to speed me up a lot.
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Matty Wig,
I believe you mate,
10 of those new biuld houses for two cleaners is only 5 houses each and there is nothing to those poky new builds. On a compact round you could easily clean 5 houses each an hour.
That's 10 mins a house each allowing for moving between houses.
2 climbs at the front, 2 at the back.......what's so difficult to believe?
Credit to you matty! Especially being in North East where we are led to believe you have no choice but to charge £3 a house...(Rubbish!)
I agree with what Neil100 said.
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I have read some other topics today and I read one from Mattywig.
He says on a separate topic that hes 18stone in weight.
Now I have posted on this topic that I give him the benefit of the doubt. BUT I have to admit I do not know if hes making statements for goading fellow memmbers into a reaction.
I belive some w/c can work at a blindingly fast speed. You have to be Relatively Fit and not overweight to be that good. I am 6' tall, very stocky and weigh 14 stone. But at my lightning best I was 12 stone 5lb and 20 years younger.
I find it hard to belive if your 18 stone that you are going to keep a fast speed up for 6 hours. But Miracles happen.
Nel.
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Sorry I havent commented for a couple of days my wife is pregnant and overdue and its been hard to get a chance to get online!!! Id be glad for Ian to come for a cheeky day on the glass if he can find the time but I might just settle for finding other members who know me to vouch for me. Im brand new on this site but think its a big asset to be able to compare notes with everyone and havent been put off! Ive told complete truth but think its worth mentioning that whatever we all earn it has to be agreed that window cleaning beats the hell out of working 50 hours a week for a company for your 25 grand a year!!! Im a qualified acountant and I know I'l never go back to it we have got the best job in the world!!!! :D
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25 grand for a qualified accountant? my sister is an accountant and she tops 60grand! and gets a company car! Potentially I could earn that as a wc, but it is hard to be motivated to keep going day in day out.
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How come its taken you all these years to do a £200 + day, I not being funny but you should off been doing that years ago...
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Highrise, your location is hidden, and location is very important in this game.
Believe me, there are many guys on here struggling to make £100 a day.
I am far too soft with pricing, and I am a better window cleaner than I am a business man. Does that answer your question. Dai
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aye, come on dai, join the 5 K a week gang, you know you want to :P
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Highrise, your location is hidden, and location is very important in this game.
Believe me, there are many guys on here struggling to make £100 a day.
I am far too soft with pricing, and I am a better window cleaner than I am a business man. Does that answer your question. Dai
looking at his other post, its Bristol,
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.......... and he's only on 5k a month.
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.......... and he's only on 5k a month.
about right i guess
200 quid a day, 5 days a week 1 K , 5 weeks ( sometimes ) in a month 5 K
How come its taken you all these years to do a £200 + day, I not being funny but you should off been doing that years ago...
he does say £200 + day
i guess with 5 K thats £201 a day :P :P
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only on a 4 working weeks a mth rota 12 cleans a year per customer plus 4 weeks holiday paid... :-*
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4 working weeks per mth :) = 48 working weeks per year 8), 4 weeks holiday ;D ;D ;Dso 48 + 4 = 52 weeks ayear, you should try it it works, come on guys we all work really hard ;)
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Few window cleaners will ever average £200 per working day, most will be pleased to top £100 per day.
you want to know what your earnings really average out to, check out your tax return...that's the bottom line.
Doesn't matter if you only work one day a week, that's the bottom line.
Ian
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Don,t mean to offend, but you must be seriously UNDERPRICING for that kind of return.
Push up your prices you,ll be suprised how little (if any) business you lose and you'll make the same monetary return for a lot less work.
work smarter not harder !!
Regards
Agree 100%. £200 should take approx 6hrs on average. I live in Suffolk, so don`t start all that, it`s the North/South crap.
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afraid I have to agree...too much work for £200... :o
Speaking for myself...I hope I am not working like a dog when I am 64 years of age.
We all need to plan our income so that we can attempt to retire around the age of 50-55.
Ian...I think you are way off there...£100 a day is not much these days...a few hours, maybe 4...done in the morning gets most people this on windows.
If it doesn`t, why are they doing such a mind numbing job???
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Rubbish.
The interest on a million would being in £60,000 per annum with no loss of any equity. Thats already three times your proposed level of income.
You could live on the interest ALONE generated by £350,000 and not have any depreciation in the initial amount invested
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One can only imagine the sort of converations you people have at the bar at the wc conventions, all bragging about how much dough you do in a day, your early retirements etc. Then going outside to drive home in your clapped out vans to a missus who would love a new stair carpet.
This must be voted for as post of the month.It is so well thought out and paints such a clear vivid picture.
Fantastic well done, i loved it
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Sorry Dai i didn`t mean to deflate you in some of my comments,i thought you meant you had earned £200 and then went home for some breakfast LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
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One can only imagine the sort of converations you people have at the bar at the wc conventions, all bragging about how much dough you do in a day, your early retirements etc. Then going outside to drive home in your clapped out vans to a missus who would love a new stair carpet.
This must be voted for as post of the month.It is so well thought out and paints such a clear vivid picture.
Fantastic well done, i loved it
I'm sure there are allsorts of guys with allsorts of incomes/intentions and ambitions on this forum, I personally have mine but would keep it close to my chest so not to be considered as Bragging.
With your put downs and negative attitude your merley sound like what i like to call a "dreamer", you need to put down people in order to make yourself feel a little better.
All know is that window cleaning is the best thing to happen to me and the beauty of it is you can be earning 100 quid a day or earning 1g a day with 4 staff, its all there for the taking its just all relevant to what you want it to be.
your put down is useless and sounds like the words of talker and not an achiever so if you want to be proavtive stop putting our trade down and get off your arse to achieve success and start to earn what is potentially there for the taking. >:(
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Gordons i don`t drive an old crappy van and i am able to buy my wife what she wants when she wants,providing she gives me the money first LOL.
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Gordons...you come across as an arrogant and bitter fool.
If you have put together a low paying round, that is your business but do not insult those who have managed to put together a higher paying round.
High income...low overheads= good business
RainwaterEco...
I was in the army for 5 years and had I stayed in, I would have "retired" after 22 years aged 40.
I then spent 9 years in the Fire Service where the retirement age is 55.
When I am 55, there are many other things I will "love" to be doing than cleaning windows.
Ask yourself what happens to your income if you cannot work due to bad weather, injury, illness...you get a big fat zero.
While the sun is shining...make hay...but pay yourself first.
Invest a proportion of your daily takings in your future, deposit in a high interest account or for a little more risk in an index tracking mutual fund and you will have funds set aside for the future.
Today is just a premonition of the future...if I could choose between:
**a day walking the dog, going the gym and a relaxing afternoon reading a good book/cooking a nice meal
**going out cleaning windows
I certainly would not choose the monotony and drudgery of wiping dirt off glass... :(
The only reason I do it is the high level of income possible...
If my income is eventually "passive" from my investments, then wild horses would not make me clean windows for a living.
I have built up a high paying round where I can basically work part time if I wish or stay out when I feel like it and earn good money but the time I spend away from work with my family is much more rewarding and productive.
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well well guys
Here we go again pot and kettle eh.
A dreamer yes i have large dreams like the one i had seven years ago when i started with a second hand ladder and a bucket full of water and walked yes walked to clean windows.
Had no customers none at all. Knocked doors got three first week, then got six next week following week got a call from nearby village four miles away walked there and back made £3.50 six months later still walking had 64 houses in that village.
Three months later
Walked to my neighbours took him to work in his car dropped him off used his car to do my round. Went back for him at 5pm took him home and i walked home.For this i paid him £30.00 a week for the use of his car.
Worked begged borrowed and sold some of my stuff to buy wee van.
Want me to go on ? or do you want to read about our award as small business of the year from our local chamber
Six vans, 30 staff, fancy office oh yeah i have dreams alright.
Arrogant oh yes because i bloody well had to be and now i have earned the right to be.
Sitting on my arse either moaning about others or typing away bragging about their best day while others struggle to make a few bob mmm met you all before.
And try sticking at something once in a while, army nah, fireman nah, oh easy money on window cleaning that will do me. Earn the right to come on here and post, in fact come back on in a year or two when youve jumped on the next bandwagon and tell us about when you were a big shot window cleaner.
Falls from roofs, frostbite, sunstroke, threats from jealous "window cleaners" taking a chance and investing in good equipment with the last of our money been there etc etc
Damn right i have earned the right to be arrogant and to dream.
Ask the many other newbies i have GIVEN work too or lent ladders to or even finished a job for ,ask them how arrogant i am
regards
GordonsWindows
(not gordons thats another poster)
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ooops sorry forgot to "brag" about money.
While you were all out working today i made over £****.00 sitting at my desk.
Yes arrogant old dreamer that i am with my low paying round
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A dreamer yes i have large dreams like the one i had seven years ago when i started with a second hand ladder and a bucket full of water and walked yes walked to clean windows.
Had no customers none at all. Knocked doors got three first week, then got six next week following week got a call from nearby village four miles away walked there and back made £3.50 six months later still walking had 64 houses in that village.
Three months later
Walked to my neighbours took him to work in his car dropped him off used his car to do my round. Went back for him at 5pm took him home and i walked home.For this i paid him £30.00 a week for the use of his car.
Worked begged borrowed and sold some of my stuff to buy wee van.
Oh! How my heart bleeds! :D
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One can only imagine the sort of converations you people have at the bar at the wc conventions, all bragging about how much dough you do in a day, your early retirements etc. Then going outside to drive home in your clapped out vans to a missus who would love a new stair carpet.
This must be voted for as post of the month.It is so well thought out and paints such a clear vivid picture.
Fantastic well done, i loved it
what are you babbling on about you clown...?
You are the one who typed the above drivel...
Just because you were such an inept business start up and took a completely unnecessary and unintelligent route to build your round, does not give you the right to spout off to those who are achieving what you claim, in a fraction of the time.
How you even THINK you have a right to question my work ethic is laughable...5 years in The Parachute Regiment after joining at 16 years 10 months (June, 1984)of age at least gave me the ability to realise that there are opportunities around every corner to improve your quality of life and personal development. I left December, 1988.
Realising that any significant length of time in the army would be counter productive to any notion I had of realising a stable and secure family environment with my soon to be wife, I decided to put my employable qualities to better use back home and undertook a stringent application/selection procedure to be accepted as a firefighter in Merseyside Fire Brigade in August, 1989. I was awarded top recruit of my course and undertook written/practical Fire Service National Examinations to become qualified as a Leading Firefighter within 12 months of passing my recruit course.
After 9 years service and again realising that any career development looked unlikely due to a scarcity of promotional vacancies and a wage packet that did not last a month...ever...I decided that I could do better elsewhere.
The following years seen me progress from a Residential Social Worker supervising young offenders in the community to a well paid position with a national company as a Senior recruitment consultant and a qualified Member of the Recruitment and Employment Confederation (MREC)
My daughter had qualified, due to her academic abilities, in 2000 to a financially assisted place at a private girls school in Liverpool (Belvedere) but when I was promoted to Senior Consultant in 2004, my salary increase meant that my daughters place would now have to be totally funded by myself at a cost of £570.00 per month!!
After several months research, I deduced that the only way that my daughter could carry on her studies would be for me to become self employed and my chosen route ended up as window cleaning which I have done for the last 3 years...my daughter has just finished her 1st year of sixth form.
I realised straight away that the money was to be found in the affluent areas on properties where the owners could never clean the windows themselves and who had a different value of money to the majority of us...that is, they would not faint when I suggested a monthly charge of £20 plus.
After 6-12 months of canvassing this type of property owner, I had developed a very good income and invested in my first van and WFP system which allowed me to increase my income even further by now canvassing other high income properties that I was unable to do previously due to height issues.
The last 2 years have gone swimmingly and I have now introduced an even more lucrative addition to my work load...driveway cleaning.
I have no plans whatsoever to be cleaning windows past the age of 45 (I am 40 in August)...My philosophy on my working life is to not stick around a second longer than the point where the work is not achieving what I want it to.
Work is just a means of securing money to pay for the good things in life...there are no medals for sticking around in a job that makes you miserable or poor.
Life should be an adventure...every corner you turn has different opportunities...most people allow these opportunities to pass them by...I choose to look at them and if they offer something better, I get a ticket and go along for the ride.
You can employ 100 people but if it makes you ill and your own actual net income is not much different than the sole trader earning a couple of hundred a day, then what is the point? ...a MBE or something as useless?
No, get real...and please get a life...it`s much better than cleaning dirt off glass
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is this the biggest post ive ever seen on here! where all in it for the money! all the best ;)
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I was just about to say before drakestar commented that no-one needs to justify themselves to the above idiot. if they feel they have to boast about it, it normally means it ain't true i think my original thought is still ringing true - Dreamer!
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Many of the people on this forum are over fifty, some are over sixty. What right have you Steve to adjudge them a success or failure.
Many if not the vast majority earn less then £200 per day. Again what makes you the arbiter of the achievements of others.
Dia obviously felt that hitting this was a personal achievement.And I emphaisised with him and admired his integrity. I have never earned that.
Some posts are ludicrous bragging, while others are inspirational. Gordonswindows story is inspirational.
I feel that your above post honest and sincere and not bragging apart from needlessly attacking Gordon
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needlesly attacking Gordan, the guy was being ignorrant and arrogant in his original posting with regards to no carpet and a clapped out van - if that is inspirational then i'll eat my hat!
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I did not judge Dai at all... ???
I said it seemed a lot of work for £200 which it clearly is...
I also said that I hoped I am not working like that at 64...if you think that is something to aspire to then that can only be your wish...best of luck to you.
Nat...I may have read your post wrong...are you saying I am a dreamer or someone else on the post.
If you think I speak falsely, let me know and I will back it up.
By the way, I am not justifying myself to anyone...merely responding to his far fetched imagination.
I have never understood why anyone gets the hump about peoples earnings...so what if they are proud of their achievements...they are entitled to shout it from the rooftops if they wish...it was similar postings that inspired me and gave me valuable pointers when starting out.
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Nat...I may have read your post wrong...are you saying I am a dreamer or someone else on the post.
If you think I speak falsely, let me know and I will back it up.
By the way, I am not justifying myself to anyone...merely responding to his far fetched imagination.
all i'm saying is, why rise to it? the guy needs to fuel his ego by gloating, I originally called him a dreamer which he probably is...thats all!!
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just read your post Nat and I do not think you are referring to me...sorry about that.
Rainwater...just re-read your last post...you cannot really find that drivel inspirational do you?
read all his posts and you will see a pattern of an insulting attitude towards most forum members responding to similar posts.
the working classes have really moved on now...if any part of Gordons story is true, it is a lesson in how not to build a business...
imagine such a narrow minded and unnecessary "business plan... ::)" being put in front of Alan Sugar :P :P :P
What fantastic car crash TV that would be...
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have a look at Gordons No: 21 post...takes me back that... ;D ;D ;D
(look at his profile and show last posts.)
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When I left school I won an award for being mug of the year because I worked as a skivvy for my dad'sa building firm instead of having a decent education that I was capable of.
Then I got a job in a bakery and came top for burning my wrists on the hot trays more often than anyone else.
After a while, I got a live-in job washing up in a hotel (was homeless) and I left more grease marks on the pots and pans than anyone before or since. (That one was £22 per week).
Then I fell on my feet and managed to stick a job for 13 years in the print. I had stuck my previous jobs too but in a different place. It was such a doss skinning up at the brainless end of a Roland 2 colour that I actually stuck around till it closed in 1988. I had graduated onto a tiny little 4 colour by then. There seemed to be a game there of who could punch the most clockcards in 60 seconds. I didn't win that one though.
13 years in one place had made me a bit settled - something I swore I would never do.
Anyway, I then got some job delivering bathroom suites. This involved driving a 7.5 tonner. The biggest motor I had ever driven on my own before was a 1 litre Datsun so it was quite a culture shock. Plus I had to take bags of maps out with me in case I got lost LOL. Before I got used to it, I brought more goods back than anyone else because I couldn'r find places.
Got bored after a year and was offered the chance to train in the caring profession in a psychiatric clinic. It took them 6 months to figure out I wasn't a patient at which point they made me redundant.
So then a short spell on the dole followed by some weird job travelling the southeast and visiting supermarkets for some ad company. I was good at that one. It prepared me for self-employment in some ways.
They folded and I ended up borrowing a ladder from a retired plumber and buying a few bits at the janitorial shop. The rest is history. I now have a luxury tent in someone's back garden and dine out at McDonald's once a week. I have 4 vans but 3 of them went to scrapyard a few years ago. I'm 50 and my pension pot would pay all of a grand a year (should pay for a new tent and an occasional burger).
OK OK. I confess. I'm mocking myself. Some of the above is true and some is based very loosely on truth. I was a very late starter with pension and sometimes wonder if I would be better off looking elsewhere for old age money. Window cleaning and especially WFP have given me a way of improving my lot and I am just starting to see the potential more clearly.
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Steve
What's wrong with that? he's spotted you as someone like himself, driven and determined.
You've made many good posts including your picture diaries of a days work so that it is proven that you work hard and smart and exceed £200.
That doesn't mean you are right about everything. I was waiting for your responce to Gordonswindows and you didn't dissapoint, you went off like a catherine wheel.They should include a sense of humour as part of P company as sometimes you come over as abit fierce.
At some point do a post about driveway cleaning, the kit, how you got into it, the marketing etc.
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=20199.20#msg290121
I can promise you 1 thing...living with 600 paratroopers 8 to a room all in 5 blocks means you have to have a sense of humour...it`s probably how I survived....
it also gives you a fantastic ability to spot a crank at 50 paces...the gobby loudmouth who winds everyone up...they usually never got past the training staff so we never seen many of them make it through to the Battalion...but any that did soon learnt to keep their mouth shut.
I`m not fierce...honest ::) ;D
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Thanks for that link thats brilliant info. Had you got any jobs before you dove in? I presume you've got some since, whats the marketing method leaflets?
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Nat...I may have read your post wrong...are you saying I am a dreamer or someone else on the post.
Seeing as you're from Liverpool Steve, should that read "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" ? ;D
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I had about 5 jobs booked in which virtually paid for the set up...so I went for it and have been ran off my feet since...it is very lucrative and a refreshing change to be in one place for one job. I advertise in 4 local advertising mags which go to 14000 homes in my desired areas of working every month for 3 months...cost £305 in total...2 jobs booked on first day of ad paid for the 3 months advert...
What I am basically doing is a job in the morning (driveways) and 3/4 WFP jobs in the afternoon...sometimes 2 driveways in a day.
When not booked in for a driveway...its all WFP or a day off which is a real temptation when you have done a couple of good driveway jobs the day before.
By the way, the reason I referred to Gordons 3 year old post was the irony of him saying how professional I was and how proud he was to be on the same forum as me etc etc when I had only just started...and now 3 years later, he says I am jumping on the bandwagon and wont stick around... ??? ;D
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Does the stuff go in your van or do you need a trailer? (ive just got rid of one and don't like them much)
You mention a wheelie bin full of water, do you take that with you?
Will the kit you've got also clean gutters? Or am I moving away from the money (earning £200 a day to keep on topic).
That was too witty for squeaks do you think his wife helped?
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The wheelie bin is empty and has a 1" length of hose attached at the base...I arrive and set the bin up off the area to be cleaned, attach a length of garden hose to customers tap and start filling bin up while I set up pressure washer.
Once water is above the level of the outlet at base of bin, I attach hose to pressure washer, run out hose, set up FSC and brush off any stones etc from area to be cleaned.
I have a control valve attached to the end of the pressure hose, I turn on washer and allow water to run freely from the control valve to ensure all air is displaced. I then close off valve, attach FSC, open valve and start cleaning.
After 90% of work has been done with FSC, I close off valve and replace FSC with a lance to go over the stubborn areas of weeds etc.
All my stuff is in the back of my Nissan Primastar.
£10 of unleaded lasts all day...2/3 jobs.
I don`t clean gutters with it.
I charge £3 per SQ/metre to clean AND re-sand.
I get the sand for £2.50 a bag from Wickes and 1 bag goes a long way.
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That was too witty for squeaks do you think his wife helped?
No. All my own work. ;D
Check this one out too...
I hope I am not working like a dog when I am 64 years of age.
"It's been a hard day's night...etc"
"When I'm 64" ;D
He can't help himself!
Love it!
He really is a Scouser. ;D
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well after reading all this i forgot who started this post but would like to say one thing. well done mate you reach a mile stone that you were happy with and shared with others i hope you you had great time camping with the kids. one thing we can all say you have been honest and trufhful.
as 4 me ill be happy to do £50 at mo i have reached 49.50 lol now am i bragging or lying but for one thing this post must be hitting a mile stone for the amount of replys.
well done again mate
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bloody hell Squeaky...I must have been indoctrinated...
I`ve just realised that my picture post was entitled..."A Day in the Life.." another Beatles song...
Weird... :o
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Thank you all for your various replies.
The original post of clapped out van etc was posted by another and i pasted it as a compliment to an honest and worldy wise cleaner, not my words however i do echo them.
Rainwater your replies are well thought out and put over in a balanced honest way that demands the respect of the reader, while others don't even get the irony or take the opportunity to listen to other peoples views right or wrong the author expects the right to be heard.
How can people who are so blinkered and self-centred not understand that many things can be learned even from views opinions or people that you don't like or agree with.
"I can promise you 1 thing...living with 600 paratroopers 8 to a room all in 5 blocks means you have to have a sense of humour..."
This is just so wonderful and i agree entirely THEY all must have had a sense of humour!!!!!!!! see IRONY do you get it?
But my favourite of all is by nat he calls me "ignorrant" please somebody explain why thats funny to the fierce para from Liverpool
Anyway so enjoyed the fun but back to the original point of those people who claim this that and the other while at the shows.
The original posters point was the ones who do the biggest and best bragging are usually the ones with the least and it is support they need not ridicule its a bit like when somebody brags about what they have done what they did be it you know an inventor a policeman maybe a service man i dunno .
Is bigger always best?
Is £200 a day worth slogging your guts out for?
And as another famous poster asked "how do YOU measure success?"
My view is my view , my success is my success but my experiences good and bad are to be shared,they are for everyone who can listen, or maybe that should be anyone who is big enough to listen
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"I can promise you 1 thing...living with 600 paratroopers 8 to a room all in 5 blocks means you have to have a sense of humour..."
Who said this? It can't be Steve K; he keeps on chucking his teddy in the corner (the last time over some 'Scouse jokes') and deleting his account!
Where's the sense of humour in that?
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Tosh...I take offence at one thing only...being labelled a thief because I come from Liverpool..it is not funny...you know perfectly well that is why I deleted my account last year...because the mods did not accept that the increasing number of "thieving scouser" comments were offensive...Squeaky has simply noticed a Beatles analogy in some of my comments...
A nasty and immature little dig from you Tosh...what was one of the worst crime you could commit in the forces Tosh, drummed into you from day one recruit training...THEFT...there was no humour in my Regiment about calling someone thief...trust me...so why would I accept total strangers thinking it is funny...I don`t, never have and never will.
Gordons...I have helped many people on here with constructive advice and will continue to do so..where in your posts are you actually offering advice...where???
You could put a post on about how you employ, where you find good staff, how they are paid, cost of insurances and overheads, services provided, advertising methods, the dos and donts of employing... this would make good reading and help others...
I`ll even give you a start..."when I was younger, so much younger than today I never needed anbody`s help in any way..."
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Shiner, I rekon the bit about running a four colour was true. I did it for over thirty years good money but brainless job.
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Well done Dai, you must have felt a great sense of achievement....hope you all enjoyed your camping trip ;D ;D
Dave.
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Shiner, I rekon the bit about running a four colour was true. I did it for over thirty years good money but brainless job.
Well it was a lot easier than the 2 colour. The 4 colour ran a lot faster but was very small sheet size. The 2 colour took a massive sheet size but ran slower. The slower speed was often negated because we had a lot of card jobs instead of nice thin paper.
It was a laugh there though. I fitted in well as I was surrounded by nutcases. One Summer on noghts when there were no women around, the forklift driver worked his shift wearing only shoes. Probably the world's only streak on a forklift truck.
Tosh would have loved it.
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There has been a lot said about the efficiency, or lack of it, in the way we run our business.
All our circumstances are different. When I started back in window cleaning, I was 51 years of age, Just been widowed, Sharing my house with my son, and mortgage paid off. My only ambition at the time was to provide a level of income comparable to the one I had enjoyed, from the job I had just been made redundant from.
My son paid all the bills, so my income was almost entirely disposable.
I wasn't to know at the time that I would end up married again, with a wife half my age, and two kids to look after.
I set my store according to my needs at the time. I made the mistake of under pricing for the sake of having compact work.
If I had started as a young guy with a mortgage and kids, I would have done things very differently. When you get older you tend to settle for security. You do lose some of that burning ambition you have as a young guy.
If it wasn't for this forum, there would be a lot of more contented window cleaners. You plod along, thinking you are doing OK. You then read about some of the income levels you read on here. If you believe half of them, it begins to affect your self esteem, discontentment creeps in.
What it comes down to at the end of the day is having the balls to ask for the price. I believe that Tosh made this point about a year ago.
£200 was a big milestone for me, even if I never do it again. I was up there with the big hitters, even if it was only for one day.
Good luck to you premier league window cleaners who achieve this every day.
Most of us play in the lower divisions, and are still happy with our lot. Dai
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There has been a lot said about the efficiency, or lack of it, in the way we run our business.
All our circumstances are different. When I started back in window cleaning, I was 51 years of age, Just been widowed, Sharing my house with my son, and mortgage paid off. My only ambition at the time was to provide a level of income comparable to the one I had enjoyed, from the job I had just been made redundant from.
My son paid all the bills, so my income was almost entirely disposable.
I wasn't to know at the time that I would end up married again, with a wife half my age, and two kids to look after.
I set my store according to my needs at the time. I made the mistake of under pricing for the sake of having compact work.
If I had started as a young guy with a mortgage and kids, I would have done things very differently. When you get older you tend to settle for security. You do lose some of that burning ambition you have as a young guy.
If it wasn't for this forum, there would be a lot of more contented window cleaners. You plod along, thinking you are doing OK. You then read about some of the income levels you read on here. If you believe half of them, it begins to affect your self esteem, discontentment creeps in.
What it comes down to at the end of the day is having the balls to ask for the price. I believe that Tosh made this point about a year ago.
£200 was a big milestone for me, even if I never do it again. I was up there with the big hitters, even if it was only for one day.
Good luck to you premier league window cleaners who achieve this every day.
Most of us play in the lower divisions, and are still happy with our lot. Dai
Too right Dai.
There are far more important things than money - though I suppose it's nice to earn the same with a bit less effort.
The only reason I'm starting to push myself more is due to a couple of wrong choices I made in life that brought me a lot of grief and loads of debt. I'm 50 now. I would like all debt clear (incl mortgage) by the time I'm say 57/58. I will need to earn well to do that. If it weren't for that, I would be quite happy plodding away earning a lot less.
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There are more impotant things than money...but being healthy, debt and stress free, enjoying quality leisure time with your loved ones while still young enough to take an active part can only be the end product of either winning the lottery, inheritance or working hard and paying off your liabilities as early as possible in life.
A general example-insert your own figures
£100 a day is good in any working mans book...it probably keeps him treading water with the odd holiday thrown in...
£150 a day pays for better food, clothes, car, leisure activities...
£200 a day does the above and the exra £50 a day, £250 a week, £1000 a month extra payment on the mortgage pays off the mortgage in about 10-15 years less than the full term at normal repayments, saving you thousands upon thousands in compounded interest payments.
I aim to do this at 50 at the latest...47/8 as a target...
When your money is going into high interst bank account with no substantial outgoings, compounded interest multiplies your money rapidly...
Coupled with a regular invetment in a pension or similar fund and 55 should be a time to sit back and reflect on near on 40 years hard graft...
I have no idea what the wife will be doing...I hope she`s saving up ;D
I at 55, I can ENJOY doing something for pocket money...then £50/£100 a day will be a bonus
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There has been a lot said about the efficiency, or lack of it, in the way we run our business.
All our circumstances are different. When I started back in window cleaning, I was 51 years of age, Just been widowed, Sharing my house with my son, and mortgage paid off. My only ambition at the time was to provide a level of income comparable to the one I had enjoyed, from the job I had just been made redundant from.
My son paid all the bills, so my income was almost entirely disposable.
I wasn't to know at the time that I would end up married again, with a wife half my age, and two kids to look after.
I set my store according to my needs at the time. I made the mistake of under pricing for the sake of having compact work.
If I had started as a young guy with a mortgage and kids, I would have done things very differently. When you get older you tend to settle for security. You do lose some of that burning ambition you have as a young guy.
If it wasn't for this forum, there would be a lot of more contented window cleaners. You plod along, thinking you are doing OK. You then read about some of the income levels you read on here. If you believe half of them, it begins to affect your self esteem, discontentment creeps in.
What it comes down to at the end of the day is having the balls to ask for the price. I believe that Tosh made this point about a year ago.
£200 was a big milestone for me, even if I never do it again. I was up there with the big hitters, even if it was only for one day.
Good luck to you premier league window cleaners who achieve this every day.
Most of us play in the lower divisions, and are still happy with our lot. Dai
dai, well done on the 200 quid,
you really dont need to explain yourself
the forums are a funny thing, we will meet people who earn 200 quid a day, thern in a few weeks some will earn 250 quid, so the trend continues, more and more higher earners come out of the woodwork
i earn X amount a day, im happy with a little bit more, thus i do 1 or 2 houses more and im happy with that
its easy to come on here and brag that you earn 5 K a week, we could all big ourselves up like that
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Stevie K
thank you i think that is excellent advice.
I am a bit unsure how or where to begin but i will try.
regards
Gordonswindows
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Well done Dai there is more to life than money as you will be well aware with your history. It takes a jolt like a bereavement or serious illness to wake you up. I'm almost your age and had that jolt to myself three years ago. I don't blame you for feeling pleased with yourself for earning a good days wage - I bet you didn't think it would stir up so much trouble! But looking through the threads you can see just how money motivated a lot of us are - all a bit sad really.
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But looking through the threads you can see just how money motivated a lot of us are - all a bit sad really.
on no, that'll start them off again, you will get called jealous now ;)
its more than a bit sad, that people on here are "slaves to the wage" sure, we work for ourselves, but a fair few wil not take a day off and enjoy life passing us by, they are so pre-occupied in earning all the money they can
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But looking through the threads you can see just how money motivated a lot of us are - all a bit sad really.
on no, that'll start them off again, you will get called jealous now ;)
its more than a bit sad, that people on here are "slaves to the wage" sure, we work for ourselves, but a fair few wil not take a day off and enjoy life passing us by, they are so pre-occupied in earning all the money they can
I enjoy window cleaning, but i do enjoy the money a bit more. Yes i work 6 days a week, and yes at the moment the money really motavates me. Im getting it while i can, im 31 and single and love looking at my bank balance each week. I know money is not everything, but when you start to earn good money you get greedy and want more, well i do. I dont drink, i dont smoke, im not into flash cars and high tec tv's ect, i just want to be comfortable in later life, so the money gets put away into isa, high interest accounts ect. There is nothing wrong with being pre-occupied in earning good money.
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But looking through the threads you can see just how money motivated a lot of us are - all a bit sad really.
on no, that'll start them off again, you will get called jealous now ;)
its more than a bit sad, that people on here are "slaves to the wage" sure, we work for ourselves, but a fair few wil not take a day off and enjoy life passing us by, they are so pre-occupied in earning all the money they can
I enjoy window cleaning, but i do enjoy the money a bit more. Yes i work 6 days a week, and yes at the moment the money really motavates me. Im getting it while i can, im 31 and single and love looking at my bank balance each week. I know money is not everything, but when you start to earn good money you get greedy and want more, well i do. I dont drink, i dont smoke, im not into flash cars and high tec tv's ect, i just want to be comfortable in later life, so the money gets put away into isa, high interest accounts ect. There is nothing wrong with being pre-occupied in earning good money.
Of course there's nothing wrong with it. I don't have any of the material distractions or habits that you write about either. My only concession is a fairly decent van but I only spent pretty big on that in the hope of reliability rather than it being some aching need. I've only become more pre-occupied with money since circumstances and wrong decision making stacked up the debts.
There is a child in the equation too (not mine) who I like to treat well and that sometimes costs - but the joy is its own reward.
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It's all about balance.
Ask yourself "How happy am I?"
Happy is good.
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again my point being the beauty of window cleaning!
want to work 2 hours a day and earn £50 then spend more time with your family then thats great
want to work 40 hours a week and earn £600- £800 then great to
want to employ people do no work make a load of money and take all the stress then thats great to.
I prefer the latter, money motivates me, i enjoy the buzz of success, i really wouldn't have it any other way, within this industry we are all capable of moulding our work round whats important to us, thats why its a great position/industry to be in.
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I have no plans whatsoever to be cleaning windows past the age of 45 (I am 40 in August)
£200 a day does the above and the exra £50 a day, £250 a week, £1000 a month extra payment on the mortgage pays off the mortgage in about 10-15 years less than the full term at normal repayments, saving you thousands upon thousands in compounded interest payments.
I aim to do this at 50 at the latest...47/8 as a target...
come on steve what age are you finishing work is it 45 47 48 50
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A nasty and immature little dig from you Tosh...what was one of the worst crime you could commit in the forces Tosh, drummed into you from day one recruit training...THEFT...there was no humour in my Regiment about calling someone thief...
Steve, matey, lighten up! I was just fishing for a 'bite' and you swallowed.
Yes, I also agree, theiving is a big no-no in the services and always frowned upon. I had a mate who broke into the NAAFI at 'drunk 'o' clock' and stole two big handfulls of those skinny salami sausages (he had the 'munchies' big-style); ignoring the alcohol, cigarettes and Le Crueset pan sets (god knows why the NAAFI stocked them?)it was known locally as 'The Big Pepperami heist' and he went down for six months; discharged!
I was even shocked at his sentance! 14 days ROPs should've been suffice; or a good slapping round the back of the CSMs office.!
But I think homosexuality was the biggest crime you could commit in the regiments I served in though.
Things are different in the Paras I guess. ;)
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I know a couple of paras.
One a full colonel, he works in the Northampton recruiting office and retired this week. The other is my son.That hat is one of the most respected and hardest to get in the british army. The Jobs they have to do like in Helman province are beyond belief.
However I do have a complaint about the regiment, several birthdays christmass' have gone by with me repeatedly dropping hints about having one of those crimson Tee shirts with wings on. I would like to go jogging etc in one, and if someone asks I would be a bit vague and mysterious about my past.
However apparently I am not entitled to wear one. My argument is (to my son and I've had the colonel on this), you wear a liverpool shirt, but you don't play for them, so how is my wearing a para tee shirt different.
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The other is my son.That hat is one of the most respected and hardest to get in the british army. The Jobs they have to do like in Helman province are beyond belief.
You're right, mate. Our soldiers who're in the current front line of Afganistan and Iraq deserve the same respect as the soldiers who fought in the Falklands. Everything else inbetween was just a bit of fun.!
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The other is my son.That hat is one of the most respected and hardest to get in the british army. The Jobs they have to do like in Helman province are beyond belief.
You're right, mate. Our soldiers who're in the current front line of Afganistan and Iraq deserve the same respect as the soldiers who fought in the Falklands. Everything else inbetween was just a bit of fun.!
what about NI tosh, ive heard plenty of horror stories from NI
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Phil...ideally 47/48 but more realistically 50...10 years from now.
I can assure anyone who might think I work 8 days a week...I do not.
I take my son to school every morning and pick him up every afternoon at 3.30pm.
I am home every day for a snack and cup of tea at about midday and sometimes end up staying in reading a book or taking Buster for a walk...
I never work weekends...it is all pretty balanced.
My best friends nephew(3 Para) died in Helmund a few months ago, Mark Wright from Edinburgh...class lad...
Dai...good luck to you...getting involved a second time is worthy of anyones pity... ;D ;)
Tosh, you are right...the say a soldier has his war every 20 years or so...I missed mine getting drunk in many locations around the world...wonderful times tough...every single second...not a day goes by when I do not miss it...
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what about NI tosh, ive heard plenty of horror stories from NI
3000 people, soldiers and civillians died in NI over a twenty year period. I'm not knocking NI, I've spent several years there myself and even married a 'Bog-eyed Paddy', I've also been to Gulf War 1, Bosnia and Kosovo; I've a chest full of 'gizzits' (medals).
I could tell you loads of funny stories myself; I worked with the 14 Int for a good while; some of the stuff I heard there was quite unbelieveable.
But the lads in Iraq and Afganistan make all the above look like a daft NAAFI bar punch up in the 'Traff'!
I think it's time we took them home!
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£ 200 a day nice one Dai. I`ve been window cleaning now for 1.5 years and if i`m honest i still can`t beleive how much money can be made by polishing glass. And i sometimes feel like a crook for asking the kinda rates i do.
I live in Yorkshire and have a reasonably small round 100`s of houses and the average price bout £ 7.00. I`m young and don`t stop in my workin day 10.00 - 3.00 and comfortably make £ 100 a day cleaning 3-4 an hour.
what amazes me is that i can earn much more than friends of mine who are plasters etc and spent years doing an apprenticeship !!!! and still finish to pick my lad up from school and have a couple of hours sat in the garden playin me guitar.
Window cleaning is a part time gig for me but i`m convinced with sum time and effort sums well over £250 can be made.
but at the end of the day there not many job out there that gives such flexible earning powers. You can earn what u want within reason as long as your prepared to but in the effort!
I just want 2 add that all my work is done traditional but is fairly compact
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Is the longest serious post on ciu?? :)
Came into wc on the strength of a factory job on a fiver per hour.
I remember after 6 months of starting window cleaning was pushing a tenner on hour on most hours worked. I was well chuffed.
Then people on here were saying trad should be taking in £20 per hour worked.
I pushed on and looked up tips on detailing etc and got to the point where i was earning £15 for every hour worked. I got wfp on the strength of peoples posts on here and my hourly has almost doubled across the board.
I for one am thankful that people are posting what i considered serious sums of money to be had.
I would have been happy with £15 per hour and would have got there eventually on my own, but the forums sped that process up considerably.
Still, being a typical brit, there is a little part of me that resents other people's good fortune. But hey, if it weren't for them i would have been grafting twice the time for the same money and been happy with it.
Keep these posts coming. I'm inspired. Love the humour too...
ps Well done dai.
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First off, Dai, you are an inspiration in many ways dude.
[quote = Tosh]
I could tell you loads of funny stories myself; I worked with the 14 Int for a good while; some of the stuff I heard there was quite unbelieveable.
But the lads in Iraq and Afganistan make all the above look like a daft NAAFI bar punch up in the 'Traff'!
Your not wrong at all mate. I was in and out of the army after I got cold feet and it was either get out at 3 months or stay in for a min of 3 years. I loved it, and used to hate the fact the woman I married would not let me back in. Then two years ago on remembrance day it suddenly hit me that the lads that stayed in had probably been through hell and, the thought of me saying things in my head like "i wish i had stayed in" was no where near the reality.
I got off damn lucky.
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I still cant believe w/c have digs on this forum at others who earn a top wage as a w/c.
They then throw remarks in thats their more to life then money.
They think anyone working hard is a slave to the making of money.
If any one is earning £200+ per day, then they are totally obsessed with Money.
If they post that they earn £300+ per day then their lives have no meaning, they are selling their humanity to Consumerism. Plus they use this forum to brag and belittle those who earn less.
WHAT UTTER HOGWASH :o
I have been a grafter all my life, I have done a varity of jobs, some working 60 hrs a week because thats what the job demmanded and all for peanuts.
I graft at w/c and I earn more in a day then what I used to earn all week when working for someone else. I have posted what I earn to open up other members eyes on this forum as to what they should be earning. I dont tell poryks, and how can I be bragging, nobody on this web site knows what I look like. So what possible benifts could so called bragging do for me?
If you price up your work right, £30 an hour,An 8 hour day will gross you £240. Not hard with wfp.
The beauty of w/c is you can earn £500 in 2 days work and do what you want for the rest of the week, Many of my freinds work part time at w/c earning £500 to £600. They do other things with their time that they see as more important.
I can earn more then 1k a week, But thats nothing compared with what some of my customers earn. If your happy earning what your earning good for you. I never covet what another person earns, its not even on my radar. I dont walk around telling everyone what I earn.
But on a topic of earnings my personal opinion with nearly 30 yrs experince as a high quality w/c is that if your not earning £200 a day then your selling yourself short. If your earning £100 a day then its not enough, talk with someone who is running a w/c round and earning a good whack to show you where you can make improvements. This is not a put down in any way to someone earning alow wage.
Your self employed so do it the right way, and lets have less of the snardy remarks for someone earning a good wage.
Nel
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I agree with everything you say exept one thing
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If you price up your work right, £30 an hour,An 8 hour day will gross you £240. Not hard with wfp.
Nel
Travel between jobs & tea breaks, lunch etc and a quick blether to a customer.
If anyone can work 8 hours a day at £30 per hour then I take my hat off to you.
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I have a £700 day. 5 office blocks. I'm not boasting. Its a fact.
£220(2 hours)
£130(1.5 hours)
£120(1.5 hours)
£120(1.5 hours)
£80(45 mins)
and a £30(20 mins) house just to make it up to £700.
I'm not fit and 7 hours for me and I'm finished. But if I were fit in my early twentys and could work a 11 hour day I have the work to hit the £1000 mark for a day.
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I still cant believe w/c have digs on this forum at others who earn a top wage as a w/c.
They then throw remarks in thats their more to life then money.
They think anyone working hard is a slave to the making of money.
If any one is earning £200+ per day, then they are totally obsessed with Money.
If they post that they earn £300+ per day then their lives have no meaning, they are selling their humanity to Consumerism. Plus they use this forum to brag and belittle those who earn less.
WHAT UTTER HOGWASH :o
I have been a grafter all my life, I have done a varity of jobs, some working 60 hrs a week because thats what the job demmanded and all for peanuts.
I graft at w/c and I earn more in a day then what I used to earn all week when working for someone else. I have posted what I earn to open up other members eyes on this forum as to what they should be earning. I dont tell poryks, and how can I be bragging, nobody on this web site knows what I look like. So what possible benifts could so called bragging do for me?
If you price up your work right, £30 an hour,An 8 hour day will gross you £240. Not hard with wfp.
The beauty of w/c is you can earn £500 in 2 days work and do what you want for the rest of the week, Many of my freinds work part time at w/c earning £500 to £600. They do other things with their time that they see as more important.
I can earn more then 1k a week, But thats nothing compared with what some of my customers earn. If your happy earning what your earning good for you. I never covet what another person earns, its not even on my radar. I dont walk around telling everyone what I earn.
But on a topic of earnings my personal opinion with nearly 30 yrs experince as a high quality w/c is that if your not earning £200 a day then your selling yourself short. If your earning £100 a day then its not enough, talk with someone who is running a w/c round and earning a good whack to show you where you can make improvements. This is not a put down in any way to someone earning alow wage.
Your self employed so do it the right way, and lets have less of the snardy remarks for someone earning a good wage.
Nel
I say that I intend to hit £200+ a day very regularly within a year. I intend to get £300 sometimes if it's possible. I also say that there is more to life than money. I don't see a conflict myself. For me the only problem would arise if I was damaging myself physically from overwork or become so focussed on work that I lost sight of some of the joys of life.
I agree with you that I have been selling myself short for far too long.
Money only has any meaningful value if things exist on which to spend it.
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I agree with Neil on everything he put in his post,what you said about earnings is spot on.The amounts that you say can be acheived are correct in my experience,those amounts should be able to be done over an 6-8 hour period without running all day just going at a reasonable pace.The idea is to have another wc working for you out earning the same amount over the course of the day,correct pricing and volume of work this is not beyond any wc.Some wcs are happy having time off to do other things and some wcs are actually in this business to make a good living believe it or not.
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I would like to comment on a few phrases that have come up.
If any one is earning £200+ per day, then they are totally obsessed with Money.
If your earning £100 a day then its not enough.
if your not earning £200 a day then your selling yourself short.
I do not believe any of those statements are true.
If you earn £200+ a day then your very good at running a business and highly motivated, that motivation might not be money.
If your happy earning £50 a day thats fine, if it is what you want and you are happy.
You are not selling yourself short if your happy with what your doing.
Lets be honest, if you want to go out and clean a few windows while the kids are at school and to add to the family income thats fine. If you want to build a big business that you can give to your children then thats fine too.
This business is what YOU make it, it is part of your life, how big a part? well thats up to you. No doubt someone earned a lot of money today, I went swimming with my kids, both of us got what we wanted.
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More to life than money................. this was a statement I made to Dai considering his circumstances merely pointing out that sometimes money is not everything. I would suggest that looking at the replies and possibly boasts on here that the majority haven't reached that point in their lives to realise this. I've been there and done that. I've worked sixteen hour shifts I've worked thirteen and three quarter hours on a friday night and been back in for six more on Saturday believe me I know how money can drive you. Like I said, when you witness a terminal illness or lose someone it jolts you into perspective. Just looking at the number of threads and their tones it's fairly obvious how driven we are by money. It's a culture we have in this country where x amount is never enough.
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you could even do both ;)
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you could even do both ;)
Pretty much my own views.
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Neil, come on, you are obsessed with this job. ;D
£200, £300... great, but some of us don't want to work 8 hour days.
I don't know any window cleaners who do.
I start at 9, finish at 3 or 4, and have an hour lunch.
That's plenty long enough, and that's only 5 or 6 hours.
Why the pride in being a "grafter"?
All it means is that in later life you'll be a physical wreck.
Take it easy and get yourself some hobbies or something.
Sorry if this sounds patronising, it isn't meant to be. :-[
I respect what you've acheived, but high earnings don't impress me when it means you're slogging away long hours while I play golf after my 25 hour week.
More to life than work... :-\
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well, I`m 40 in August and can assure you Dave, I have experienced and witnessed, hands on and face to face, premature death both strangers and relatives...I have also watched my dad, and still do, getting up at dark o`clock to get to the building site and he is 60 in August...I had a very limited relationship with my dad due to his long hours and working abroad for several years...I have chosen to find a PRICING STRUCTURE where I can achieve what I need in the minimal amount of time...leaving me to enjoy my life as fully as possible...its not greed or I would be out all day, 6 days a week and I would be wealthy...what Dai done is a physically exhausting and long term physically harmful...
Its certainly unfortunate to be in a position such as Dais, where he has to slave from early morn till evening to be able to afford a camping trip at 64 years of age...that is a realistic, non-sentimental viewpoint of course.
I still hope he had a great time camping...
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Spot on Steve, Dai knows his pricing is a little low - he admits that. I just find it incredible that some jump in with all guns blazing bragging about their earnings on an open forum for all to see - why? Dai didn't mean to brag I'm sure, just pleased to have had a good day. I wonder if there are other trades with open forums where the public can view everyones "amazing earnings" ::)
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Squeaks, Why the pride in being a grafter?
Its the way I was brought up. I do anything to the best of my abilty. I also had a very poor upbringing. beans on toast for your main meal of the day does not cut it.
Walking to school,My legs Blue with cold after A four mile walk on a freezing winter morning in my shorts because my mum could not afford to buy me a pair of long pants at the tender age of thirteen.
yes I had a poor upbringing. Because I have been a Grafter my wife has never had to work, Shes had been able to spend a lot of time with the kids. I have allways sat down and eaten my evening meal around a table with my family. My kids have never wanted for anything and I have helped my Brother and sister out when they have struggled Financially.
I dont work Saturdays and I dont work in the rain. So its very rare I work a five day week. But I do be beleive in making the money when its dry, If it rains 4 days out of five days in a week, I dont worry if I can pay the bills because I have the money in the bank when the weather was good. Its called forward planning.
I am 49 yrs old and Have allways been in to sport.I have stopped playing football but I still run, cycle, swim, Fellwalk, I am an avid movie fan, I have spent many years being a swimming coach, I play video games, read, watch tv, and have a big intrest in motor sport.And DIY.
But one thing I think is true, The less time you have the more things you can do, The more time you have the more time you waste.
I know many lads who start at 9am or 10am and are home at 3pm or shortly after.But they never do anything else.
When my lads were small I had them Bivibagging on the top of mountains like Helvelyn and Scarfell. On adventure hols.
Dont mistake my Grafting for not having any hobbies. I do beleive you should earn the money on windows while your younger as its easier to do. Within 4 years I will be cutting my work down by at least half at what it is at present.
I have saved for my retirement, But when I cut down I have no intention of going back to work 5 days a week. It gets harder as you get older, its nice to think I have the choice because of my grafting in the past and present. 8) ;)
Nel
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I've not posted for some time, I deleted my account on the basis that it was taking up time I could ill afford.
I've read this thread with some interest. Over the past few years I’ve been on this forum this type of thread has resurfaced on a regular basis.
Some use forums as a means of dropping their trousers and showing the world what big assets they have.
Others post on the basis that they really feel they have achieved something, only to get the aforementioned posters dropping them again.
The problem is that we all have differing circumstances. Some on here need to be available to take the kids to school and pick them up again after school, some simply choose to do so.
Some have very ill family members that they need to care for and are unable to do 9 hours a day 6 days a week, some choose not to work those hours.
Others are scarred individuals who see it as an achievement to get up in a morning go to work and manage to put in 5-6 hours before they return home to an empty house thanking their lucky stars that for another day the “black dog” of depression has not returned.
Many i’m sure have no other worries than simply getting up in a morning thanking the wife for their pack-up and arriving home with dinner on the table. Half an hour playing with the kids and the evening’s their’s. Come the end of the week, they drop the wife £200 bank the rest and go to the pub. (These tend to be trouser droppers!)
Sadly for many of us life is not so simple.
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there is of course a whole new level...
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=39089.0
thats for sub contract work...£500 a day!!!
Dont even mention jetwashing rates of income... :P
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Then people on here were saying trad should be taking in £20 per hour worked.
I have often struggled to find a way of equating wages or turnover in a realistic way, the way that Mark has put it, ie, '£20 per hour worked' is a fantastic way of putting it.
I don't think there is a specific figure, we all have differing expectations.
Squeaks is right when he says few window cleaners actually WORK more than 5 or 6 hours a day.
You can take out holidays and working days lost through no fault of your own, so I think that in any 12 months, if we allow that most will take off bank holidays and perhaps another 2 weeks annual leave and a few extra days at Christmas, and another 10 days (at least) will be lost as a result of bad weather and so on.
So 6 weeks or so can be lopped off the 52 weeks in the year.
As by and large, most window cleaners will - as Squeaks points out - only work 5 or 6 hours a day.....how much due you think you need to be turning over per HOUR WORKED to have a 'BUSINESS TURNOVER' of....say £25,000 per year?
Well you need to average (per working week) £550 or so.
Doesn't sound particularly excessive does it?
And neither does doing £22 per hour worked to achieve that figure.
I think that a business turnover of 25k is a reasonable target to at least aim for, that is going to return you an approximate wage of about 18 or 19k.
The problem with a newbie coming in to window cleaning, and going straight to WFP is that as a result of being far quicker than trad, they are not going to average 3 semi's an hour (as an example) they are going to be doing 4 an hour and as a result will be correspondingly cheaper :-\
Learning a pricing structure that can allow you to earn a decent wage is of course the key, but at least having an idea of what you need to be turning over per hour worked to achieve whatever income you wish to earn is a good place to start.
And also of course for those of us who have years of experience it is usual to understand the same thing, as it can be an indicator of where we might be able to improve our business.
Ian
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Strange you should make reference to Churchill Bear. After a very full life he became Prime minister at the age of 65 in May 1940. Two days later Germany invaded France.
You never know what life is going to throw at you or when. Coming back on the forum could be your lucky break. The best cure for depression is exercise.A sence of purpose in life is also a great thing.
This thread,(1st £200day) or one similar may have been done before, and there has been an element of I took £220 at the traffic lights, but there have also been many very brilliant and passionate and funny posts. There have also been many philisopical posts about the value and possible meaning of our lives.
I have been left buzzing by some of the possibilties opened up to me by some of the comments, and some of these only came about through the robust debate which at times has included name calling etc. For me it was well worth it.
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if u have the right work every day should be that put your prices up
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Strange you should make reference to Churchill Bear. After a very full life he became Prime minister at the age of 65 in May 1940. Two days later Germany invaded France.
You never know what life is going to throw at you or when. Coming back on the forum could be your lucky break. The best cure for depression is exercise.A sence of purpose in life is also a great thing.
This thread,(1st £200day) or one similar may have been done before, and there has been an element of I took £220 at the traffic lights, but there have also been many very brilliant and passionate and funny posts. There have also been many philisopical posts about the value and possible meaning of our lives.
I have been left buzzing by some of the possibilties opened up to me by some of the comments, and some of these only came about through the robust debate which at times has included name calling etc. For me it was well worth it.
I am simply trying to point out to the "trouser droppers" that they dont know the person behind the post.
The "asset showers" take no regard of other posters possible situations.
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Hi
Just thought i would put my 2 pence in.
I've been doing w/c for approx 20 yrs now. I earn around £200 - £250 a week and work about 1/2hr - 1 hr a day. I love being at home now with my youngest of 5.
I know for a fact there's more to life than money.
But there again i don't need to pay a £250,000 mortgage, i'm sure there are plenty on here that do. I did that when i was younger with 15-20hr days. Not any more.
Richard
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Spice world, your right. All of us have different circumstances. I have no mortgage or debt of any kind. I could live on two days work a week.
This can make a big difference when it comes to pricing. How much can you charge before you start feeling your being greedy?
If I had a big mortgage and debts, I would feel justified in charging a lot more.
So many times I have priced a job at say £12.50 in my head, and when I transfer my thoughts to words, it comes out at £10. I know it's crazy, but say I went to the job centre tomorrow and asked for a job.
They would ask,"What kind of work are you looking for? Well I would like a job that pays around £600 a week, lets me take a day off when I like, and I don't want to take any crap from anybody.
Can you picture the scene? They would be rolling around laughing like the old Cadburys smash advert. They would say "yes Dai, and if you find one can you put a word in for me". Dai
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They would ask,"What kind of work are you looking for? Well I would like a job that pays around £600 a week, lets me take a day off when I like, and I don't want to take any crap from anybody.
Can you picture the scene? They would be rolling around laughing like the old Cadburys smash advert. They would say "yes Dai, and if you find one can you put a word in for me". Dai
So true Dai! ;D ;D ;D
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Spice world, your right. All of us have different circumstances. I have no mortgage or debt of any kind. I could live on two days work a week.
This can make a big difference when it comes to pricing. How much can you charge before you start feeling your being greedy?
If I had a big mortgage and debts, I would feel justified in charging a lot more.
So many times I have priced a job at say £12.50 in my head, and when I transfer my thoughts to words, it comes out at £10. I know it's crazy, but say I went to the job centre tomorrow and asked for a job.
They would ask,"What kind of work are you looking for? Well I would like a job that pays around £600 a week, lets me take a day off when I like, and I don't want to take any crap from anybody.
Can you picture the scene? They would be rolling around laughing like the old Cadburys smash advert. They would say "yes Dai, and if you find one can you put a word in for me". Dai
Great post Dai.
And humans have got very long arms so they can reach the windows. :)
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So many times I have priced a job at say £12.50 in my head, and when I transfer my thoughts to words, it comes out at £10.
Yep i still do that now ;D
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wow! I do the opposite. I add the odd quid on.
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Mostly, the only thing stopping you earn top rates is the amount of work you have and your self.
The number of people who say they can't work 8 hours every day surprises me. Get a job working for someone else and that's exactly what you will do, physical or not.
My hardest job was as a student, in the summer working nights shelf filling at tesco. Much harder that window cleaning. You did it 8 hours and more if you needed the money.
With window cleaning you can just go home after 5-6 hours when you feel a bit tired. If you stuck it, you can earn that money. I do 6-7 then go home because that's what I need. If i had kids i'd do 9 hours no prob.
If your knackered get a fishing pole. No physical effort required.
If you don't need the money and have a different philosophy (like me) then fine, but don't knock others who don't share your view. Just add up what you earn an hour and work as many as needed. 8 hours is nothing really. Sometimes I think window cleaners need a reality check as to how much of a laugh this job is. We should try remembering what our last job was like for a reality check. I did 6 days and over fifty hours in my last job. Now I do around thirty time I've had most of friday off.
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you`re right there P.Bowen
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i worked 13 hours today
it can be done ;)
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WOW that surprises me,after reading some of your posts in the past i thought you were a lazy sod LOL.
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WOW that surprises me,after reading some of your posts in the past i thought you were a lazy sod LOL.
;D
nah not lazy, i like my "home life" and family time, but when i need to work to get things done, they get done
another early start tommorw aswell ;)
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well i fell out with mrs so only done a fiver lol
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i did my first £200 + day today! ;D
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oh and i know ive done a 13 hour day, i have a few aches and pains, but hey, thats life
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What was the work, not the monetary value, the work?
I struggle after about 6 hours.
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What was the work, not the monetary value, the work?
I struggle after about 6 hours.
a large comercai with large panes of glass upto 10 M highl, then domestics all day, then home for 30 mins and change barrels and then another comercail
not a bad day really
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My hourly rate definately drops after about 5 hours.
I do my money in that time, Im fortunate to own my own home and not have a mortgage, my hours I work pay my household bills, my tax, pays for my car, I have a rather expensive hobby which my job pays for I take at least two foreign holidays a year to go scuba-diving; and when Im at work I work hard if I want to and sometimes take it easier if I want to.
Im in my mid-forties, which isnt old I know, but Ive worked physically outdoors all my life. Physical work will start to take its toll after a while. A post a while back on this thread implied if we moan about feeling tired then we're woosies (or something along those lines). What tripe!!
Apart from 9 years of shining Ive also done 11 years of landscaping (45 hour week) and prior to that was an Agricultural labourer. Ive worked physically as much as the next man, but when it comes to work Im not shy; my joints are what they used to be, simple.
As for working PAYE hours, well, thats one of the reasons I started do shining, all of a sudden I didnt HAVE to work 45 hours, hey presto all of a sudden I could take time off to go to the dentist without having to organise it with the boss or get my haircut on a Wednesday afternoon or take a day off as the sun was shining.
Sod the days of working under the conditions imposed by someone else.
I will have done my money by 11am tomorrow for the whole week, the guy that took over my last job will have another 16 hours work to do at a quarter the hourly rate I earn today.
Matt
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It's nice to see Matt applying himself. There's a few on here that puzzle me. With Matt its that he's laid back and smart enought to know he should use pro equipment. I think the same about Jeff (trailer?why?), and Dave (and he's limited),
And Jeff b I don't understand at all, how can all his customers be sixty foot jobs? Squeakys become a van snob.... and so it goes on.
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It's nice to see Matt applying himself. There's a few on here that puzzle me. With Matt its that he's laid back and smart enought to know he should use pro equipment. I think the same about Jeff (trailer?why?), and Dave (and he's limited),
And Jeff b I don't understand at all, how can all his customers be sixty foot jobs? Squeakys become a van snob.... and so it goes on.
thats me, i am laid back, AND i love it ;) man ;)
on the note of " pro equipment " i have a trolley and it works very well for me, it really does, i honestly cannot see anything else that will make my life easier, a van mount will not work for me, as i would have hoses trailing down the road, today i parked the car, i cleaned 15 ( ish ) houses and didnt move the car, i returned to the car to get more barrels, seriously, i cannot see how a van mount would help me in ;)
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on the note of " pro equipment " i have a trolley and it works very well for me, it really does, i honestly cannot see anything else that will make my life easier, a van mount will not work for me, as i would have hoses trailing down the road, today i parked the car, i cleaned 15 ( ish ) houses and didnt move the car, i returned to the car to get more barrels, seriously, i cannot see how a van mount would help me in Wink.
I feel exactly the same Matt. With 50 litres on the trolley, and 25metres on the hose reel, Twin pole Carrier's can work much more efficiently than if I had a van mount.
On one Marina estate, I would need 200 metres of hose if I had a van mount. Dai
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Matt started the DIY site to help window cleaners who didn't have a lot of money into the big new world of water fed pole. A world that they wouldn't have had access to otherwise, and they could be encouraged by other peoples trial and error attempts.
I'm summarising and putting words into other peoples mouths but I think thats the giste.
But things have moved on, this very thread says we all earn a lot more,, our expectations are greater, and anything to make the job easier or faster can be justified in monetary terms.
Why then do so many of you that were at the front now live in the past?
If you believe humping 25litre barrels about is the way to go, or homemade poles, or any of the other make do and mend ideas you are living in the past.IMO.
I do accept it's the way you prefer to work and you feel as indivduals you have the right to choose.
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Matt started the DIY site to help window cleaners who didn't have a lot of money into the big new world of water fed pole. A world that they wouldn't have had access to otherwise, and they could be encouraged by other peoples trial and error attempts.
I'm summarising and putting words into other peoples mouths but I think thats the giste.
indeed it was, and from messages ive had, its helped a fair few :)
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matt, i have used an omni trolley for nearly 3 years,and now i am going to adapt the trolley so i can plug in to a 500 ltr tank using the pump on the trolley and have the best of both worlds.i think it will work well.....
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matt, i have used an omni trolley for nearly 3 years,and now i am going to adapt the trolley so i can plug in to a 500 ltr tank using the pump on the trolley and have the best of both worlds.i think it will work well.....
i know a few who use a trolley and then run the IN pipe to a tank in the van
it does work well
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Squeakys become a van snob....
;D Yes.
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what fixings do you have so you can use the trolley off the van aswell?
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what fixings do you have so you can use the trolley off the van aswell?
hozelocks and 15mm pipe on mine. Microbore fits snugly inside with a jubilee clip to hold it.
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Squeakys become a van snob....
;D Yes.
Squeaky and me ... the only Rover driving van snobs in the world!
You gotta laugh at the paradox of that! ;D
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what fixings do you have so you can use the trolley off the van aswell?
hozelocks and 15mm pipe on mine. Microbore fits snugly inside with a jubilee clip to hold it.
can you explain a bit more.thanks
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I have a £700 day. 5 office blocks. I'm not boasting. Its a fact.
£220(2 hours)
£130(1.5 hours)
£120(1.5 hours)
£120(1.5 hours)
£80(45 mins)
and a £30(20 mins) house just to make it up to £700.
I'm not fit and 7 hours for me and I'm finished. But if I were fit in my early twentys and could work a 11 hour day I have the work to hit the £1000 mark for a day.
oops posted the whole topic again sorry folks ::)
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Grats Dia. I suppose I should extract my digit and make a £200 day...
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I bet you wished the WFP was here years ago ;D