Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Phil Marlor on September 05, 2004, 11:59:39 pm
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I keep reading about how people used microsplitters in the past and did not like them.
Those same people now cant get enough of this product after trying them again only this time using them in the correct manner.
If this is the case what were you doing wrong originaly?
You spray on, you agitate, you rinse!!! ???
What could be more simpler?
I would like to know what the magic formula is, am I doing somthing wrong. ???
Phil
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In my case Phil I was using to much and not agiting enough.
Neil
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what is a microsplitter ??? ??? ??? never heard of it!
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Phil,
What are u saying? You get good results from microsplitters, I have seen you in action.
I think though that you apply it too heavily ;D ;D
Mark
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Scott, microsplitters work by loosening the soil binders so the soiling is easily rinsed off with plain water. One step and Solutions are the two brands which I use and I find both products very good. Takes getting used to though but they do work very well.
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I wish people would stop saying "takes some getting used to".
You spray on, then agitate, then rinse!!!
Where can you go wrong? How dose that take some getting used to?
Also if you apply too much, dose that mean it isnt working as well and why not?
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Phil,
Plastering is easy - you slap it on, you smooth it out - perfectly smooth and level wall results. Try it
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I know loads of people with driving licences.............
Don't know more than a hand full of GOOD drivers :-/
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crikey john i thought i was the only one awake at this time
regards dave adl
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Obviously I am not going to get a reasonable answer on this one. :(
Phil
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I have not got a SeboDuo therfore was not aggitating to a high enough standard.
However the real answer is I still have stocks of other cleaning solutions that need using up then perhaps I will give an extensive trial to micosplitters subject to buy in quantities and carriage charges.
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Phil, I've used microslitters (MS) on a number of jobs and got a rubbish result, If it was the first time I'd used MS I would have thought MS were a load of crap and not used them again.
the fact is if I'd used conventional chemicals the result would have been just as bad.
in some ways i think this is why people tried them, then disgarded them, they did'nt give them a fair trial.
Mike
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I'm just wondering here but it seems that the whole issue revolves around agitation. Could it be that those that are particularly impressed with microsplitters are the ones that never really gave that much importance to agitation when they were using 'traditional' products?
If you used a microsplitter in the same way as something like Prespray Gold (with mild agitation on heavily soiled areas) which would give better results? - Prespray Gold I would suspect. Now, if you used PG in the same way as a microsplitter (with something like a Sebo Duo) I also suspect it would perform better.
Maybe one good thing to come out of microsplitters is that people are now realising the importance of agitation.
As good as they may be, those that use them still seem carry the 'traditional' range.
Regards
Mike
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cheers finton..must be an alltec thing.
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Mike,
I too have wondered about how much some cleaners agitated prior to using micro-splitters.
For myself, having 'grown up' in carpet cleaning from the days when extraction power was very much less than is available today, I have always conducted each stage of the cleaning process to its' full extent.
Consequently I am sure that my comparison between MS and conventional is realistic.
However, I do still carry 'conventional products on the van. At the moment I am in the process of racking out and swapping to a new van. From the racks on one side I removed no less than 64 chemicals and have not touched the long shelves on the other side.
I doubt that I shall ever relinquish most of these old problem solvers, but would, as a generality, contest your statement regarding Traffic Lane Gold, excellent though it is.
Regards,
John.
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JB,
Although a junior in your ranks of carpet cleaning, i like your answer.
Realistic approach taken and REAL answer given. 8)
I carry 'traditional chemicals' but in a crate behind drivers seat ( where they are HARD to reach ). The only one i have called upon, in 8+ months, is Red RX.( killed 2 foot dried in TIZER stain on plain Green carpet recently ) :D
Solutions and Sebo Duo are making my life EASY and I like it................thats why i look/feel so young ;)
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Sorry, but have to put my 2 pence worth in.
I use microsplitters on upholstery, like them alot.
I do not use on carpets. Microsplitters make more work for me. I dont pre-spray / agitate, except on bad traffic lanes, where I use blitz and my sebo duo. But for MOST domestic carpets I find the majority of stains come out with normal cleaning. Why therefore at least double the work by spraying, agitating then rinsing.
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Dave,
We all work in a way that suits us. Micro-splitters do not, for me and some others, "double the work".
I would not say that they overall reduce the amount work either - just that they suit me well and perform well.
If you are happy with the products you use and the results they produce - Fine.
We really are not all the same.
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Chris,
Thank you kind sir :D
What I want to know is why Solutions and Host do not make me look or feel young........................ On second thoughts, don't answer that :(
John.
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I doubt that I shall ever relinquish most of these old problem solvers, but would, as a generality, contest your statement regarding Traffic Lane Gold, excellent though it is.
Unfortunately, I've not been in a position where it's possible to clean one half of a carpet with one product and the other half another.
How good one product is against another is very subjective but we both seem to agree that many people don't agitate enough regardless of the product.
It's difficult for me to comment because I don't clean enough carpets to get consistent results one way or another, but, although pleased, I've yet to be particularly impressed with the microsplitters I've used.
Regards
Mike
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I find that microsplitting solutions have made my working life simpler. But like John, not easier, but certainly safer/healthier.
What works for me on all domestic carpets, regardless of soil degree or type and regardless of carpet fibre, is a Woolsafe microsplitter. For those who use a Sebo Duo for agitation, but occasionally use detergents, you must remember that the Host T6 I use offers superior but gentler agitation, which makes this practice a more viable option.
When I used to use detergents, I'd use a general purpose pre-spray such as Ultra Prep, A Woolsafe version such as Pre-Spray Gold, an agressive one like Prochem Enzyme Pre-Spray and possibly Multi-Pro for Pre-Spray and a spotting solution. I'd then have extraction solutions such as Dry Pro, Crystal Green, Liquid Woolsafe and Fabric and Fibre Rinse. Of all of these, on a regular basis I only carry Fabric and Fibre Rinse. As you can see, micro splitting has made life much simpler. I still hold my usual detergents in stock, but only pull them out for problematic commercial work. They don't normally perform better than M/S'ers, but may be quicker.
Safe and happy cleaning:)
Ken
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how can useing to much ms hidder performance when on the bottle it says dilute 1-5 for heavy soiling
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For the past week Ive been cleaning trashed rental properties. All have cheap polypropolene (sp) carpets. Ive been using a citrus based pre-spray at 10-1. Dwell for a few minutes and extract with hot water or Formula 90. Carpets like new.
I feel more confident in the overall cleaning result when using microsplitters on wool with agitation but for synthetics there are quicker options.
Mark
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At 11pm tonight i'm cleaning a huge and totally minging synthetic snooker club/public bar carpet and its heavy duty solutions #2 v's prochem high force, both to be agitated using my rotary and rinsed at the same temps so results should answer a few questions.The fact that i wont need to use an acidic rinse with the micro splitter makes it 1-0 to them at the moment.
i'll report back when i can ease myself out of bed sometime tomorrow.
Paul
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Paul
Are you sure its synthetic in this type of environment? To many late nights perhaps! :(
Len
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Hi Len, No quite sure and as you would expect its full of burn marks, a strange choice as you say for a pub/club i guess it was going cheap or carpet sales man had a job lot to shift.I have found on a number of occasions in my area people having the wrong carpet for there needs, some sales men obviously dont inform there customers very well.
The cleaning results when comparing heavy duty #2 against prochem's high force were rather boringly really close, both being pre-spayed,agitated equally and extracted at 60 degrees.I mixed the solutions to a 15:1 ratio and possibly over aplied when compared to the suggestions of light misting on this site. ( cant quite get my head around being so frugal and still achieving a good result, i'll try it tomorrow) the high force as recomended one scoop per litre. Both cleaning solutions gave good results on the general sticky soiling and the vast solid black tar like surfaces, these disolved with ease using the rotary to break them down. The advantage with the micro splitter was the pure water rinse as aposed to the acidic rinse with the high force so if the costs are taken into account #2 HD wins the shoot out.
But on another job on another type of soiling the outcome may well different.
Paul zzzzzzzzz!
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Hi Paul
Just a word of caution, if its synthetic and you propose to clean as you say make sure it's not a Belguim Wilton first ;)
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Paul
Although ms is my main cleaning agent, I will put my hands up I have not used ms in this type environment tying to use up old stock of mutipro only 40lts to go.
Regarding type of carpet as Woodman pointed out care if BW, also think it’s down to owner to know fire regulations not sale person.
Len
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Hi woodman, thanks for the warning but its not a belgium wilton, just run of the mill short pile tuft,latex bonded so was able to douse on plenty of pre spray and ample wand strokes needed to shift the lovely thick gunge i was faced with.
Paul
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Len, When you manage to shift all the multi pro, do give the solutions a go, it will be interesting to hear how you get on with it on really mucky commercial stuff.
i wasnt aware until i spoke to solutions nick that there was a heavy duty high alkalinity #2 and not heard it mentioned on this forum, but having used it recommend it :)
Paul
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Paul
Being of another faith at this moment in time need to get rid of old stock, did try to sell it no takers, but will admit now converted.
Len