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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ady on May 02, 2007, 11:17:31 pm
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EVENING ALL ,COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE SATURATION RUG CLEANING METHOD
REGARDS ADY ??? :'( :-\
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You will see this method used in a plant cleaning operator's premises....not for the customers house that's for sure
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Speak to Dave Leona, he is the expert on this type of cleaning.
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If you live near Sheffield call on Franklin's they have been using traditional methods for over a century and can show you how it's done...............not for the average c/c
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I was at Franklins the other week...I did try to post a picture but unfortunately I don't think the site will accomadate
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Franklyns now also have a site in Liverpol.
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franklins have been in Liverpool for yonks! I think from the 1960's when they purchased a firm call North of England cleaning they also have a site in Manchster.
Shaun
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thanks for your help ,ive seen pictures of people in wellies in what looks like paddling pools,but thats about it
regards ady :-\
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thanks for your help ,ive seen pictures of people in wellies in what looks like paddling pools,but thats about it
regards ady :-\
add a brush and hosepipe and you just about have it covered, it's just about the simplest way to clean you can get, and is very effective on pee stains, however the set up cost to do it right, hangers and the blocking the rug to keep it square, mean it's best to send them to Franklins for treatment.
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And to think I used to clean the car mats in the bath, leaving them for a good soaking with warm water and fairy liquid, rolling them up to agitate, rinsing then leaving in the sun on the drive to dry out. ;D ;D ;D
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I pressure washed one once on my drive it came up a treat,
I always pick up any old rugs I come across just to try different ways of cleaning them, I`ve got a couple now if anyone wants to recommend things to try ;D
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Its the drying that causes the problem
But if you do have room in the garage you could solve it.
Dereck you should be able to post pictures several people do it regularly.
Or will they be in NCCA mag.? ;D ;D
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Ian, you are quite correct in that drying can be a problem. John Kelly has mentioned this on many occasions too.
Having said that, as long as most removable moisture has been removed from the textile then turn it upside down, lay it on the floor and stick 4 or as many air movers as you have on it. Do not use that air mover that drys using downdraft. It is a very good machine but not suitable for an area rug. Actually in my opinion not suitable for drying any textile. Brilliant for hard floors and general air movement but should be illegal for textile drying and inparticular area rugs.
Of course up in the air with lots of air movement and if poss heat is way better but if not all of us, most of us have a floor and air movers.
Best, Dave.
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Sometimes it's better to walk..........although many people are offering advice and encouragement, you need more than that. to get a viable return. from the average rug clean, never mind the time consuming method discussed here.
You will all have the regular experience of quoting for a job and the client suddenly remembers about a little rug..............sure as hell, is hot, you answer, "no problem" and add on a lower price than you should...............well I do and so do some of you.........then you always take longer than you should and curse yourself, again !
Per square foot, rugs take a lot more time and effort than fitted carpets and you either have to charge, in most cases, half the replacement cost, or treat it like a "supermarket loss leader"
Expensive rugs..................completely different story.
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evening dave in your post you mentioned putting the rug upside down why is this , sorry to ask but am a newbie ???
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ady, no need to be sorry.
Without going into too much.......................
Quite often problems occur during the drying process.
This usually is, as for something to dry it has to evaporate. To evaporate the moisture rises upwards and leaves the top of the textile last. At this point with the wicking that may occur you can get yellowing or browning and in some cases the colour will also wick. If it hasnt been cleaned properly and there is still soil in the textile this can wick to the tip of the fibre too.
If the textile is upside down then at least if this happens it will be in the base of the textile and any colour or wicking or yellowing etcetera will at least not be seen from the top, the face fibres.
I know this isnt written very well but I think or hope you get my point.
In most cases none of the above will happen but in case it does upside down drying will or could get you out of potential problems.
Also while drying which is usually or at least often done outside you can have ambient problems. Last thing you want having just cleaned an area rug is a bird to bomb it on its way flying by. If the rug is upside down then it can be spot cleaned off or maybe even just brushed off. If it was the face fibre you would have to clean it again. That is if you wanted to return the area rug properly cleaned.
Last thing, if you dry it the right way up in the sun light or even a dull day you run the risk of sun fading the textile. This can help for some rugs but not in all cases, so again why take the risk.......
Hope this helps, best, Dave.
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Evening Dave thankyou message recieved and understood,
I have a lockup unit and are looking to do a collect clean and return service ,im fine with the cleaning it was just the drying that i couldnt decide on ,thought of a drying room but to much involved just been using my air mover seems to do the job regards ady 8) :)
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Beware of using air movement alone. Once the air becomes saturated, or if the relative humidity is already high no drying will take place. You need to add dehumidification to succeed.
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How about a cheap B&Q shed with some fan heaters installed?
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calmore, nothing at all. Just add a couple of air movers to the fan heaters and open the windows and there you go.
Make sure the windows and or door is open or else you will end up with the scenario John has suggested and have water saturated air offering no drying ability. Best, Dave.
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This is getting silly .
Although the "advice" given is technically sound, the reality is, to do what's suggested, takes a great deal of time and TIME IS MONEY.
90% of the rugs you will be asked to clean will not have sufficient value to allow you to emulate the charges you are seeing posted.
This is a fact and whoever disputes it, is not doing the "average " reader / poster on here any good.
Yes it's "possible " to clean rugs this way, but because of the potential problems, already mentioned several times and the need to collect / deliver, have suitable premises and indeed a source of high value rugs, you are in most cases wasting your time.
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Rob, there is nothing silly about what has been written. Nor has any prices been suggested to argue against.
A question was asked and it has been answered the way it should have been.
Nothing silly about that.
Would you rather the answer be to clean it a different less effecient way.
No. Well you might.
To saturate clean almost any rug takes the same amount of time or even less than to do it any other way. Not only that if you do it at home it can fill time when you arent doing anything else so it is even better time management.
The comparing results between saturation and a face fibre clean is immense.
So with a little effort to do it the proper way is well spent.
It beats me why you continually knock cleaners who just do things the way they should be done.
Most on here will still clean rugs as they have always done so and there is nothing wrong with that.
But again, the question was about saturation cleaning and it has been answered. Sorry you didnt like it and it upset you so much.
Best, Dave.
P.S. Not sure what your problem is, you come accross as a salesman for Franklins, and yet the above description is the same type of cleaning that they do. Is it wrong for us to do the same thing?
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Dave
Your getting too involved in theorising................first you criticised me for extolling the virtues of CFR...........now you find fault in my comments about THE OLDEST CARPET CLEANING COMPANY IN the UK.
You are what you are, but compared with a company like Franklins, you are just a novice and I have no affiliation with Franklins or CFR or anyone else !!!!!!!!
I just know, from personal experience, what works!
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90% of the rugs you will be asked to clean will not have sufficient value to allow you to emulate the charges you are seeing posted.
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Carpetguy
You are correct. If just go about your normal business. However there obviously is a market for this type of clean if you go after it.
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Mike
There is " a market " for cleaning / restoring / maintaining, just about anything and I would never suggest otherwise, but, to give inexperienced people the impression, they can make money from a specialist market, by not being prepared, or capable of doing the work, to the highest standard, is IMO, misleading, to say the least.
Can't be bothered with the scoring points, which has crept into recent posts. I try to write, from experience in this industry and elsewhere.
I've cleaned hundreds of rugs, over the past twenty years, always on the clients premises, otherwise, I would have had to charge at least double, to allow for, collecting / delivering, considerably more time handling and most of all aquiring / maintaining suitable premises / equipment.
With the relatively low cost of MOST rugs, very few people would be prepared to pay half the retail value, or more, for cleaning rugs.
If someone has large enough premises and is prepared to invest in the necessary equipment, they could make money, but it will take a sustained marketing effort and you will be competing with the likes of Johnsons the high street cleaners.
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Rob, I didnt critique your comments on what you had said about CFR. I said you were wrong in what you had said which was proven by your own posts.
If you re-read my comments about Franklins, not once did I mention anything wrong or negative about them nor did I or have I ever mentioned a fault in your comments about them.
Why would I be against a company that cleans rugs the correct way?
Most I am sure have gathered by now that the way they clean is the way I suggest for people to do the same.
Best, Dave.
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Dave,
I used to find your comments " interesting "
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Do a google on Ausrehlian Method, Dave uses a simplified version of this I think.
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