Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paulchambers on September 04, 2004, 09:58:14 pm
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I helped neil 47 do a couple of sofas today as he couldnt handle it by himself ;D ;D ;D i was amazed the results with microsplitters . Tried ultimate master first did seem to do that much but the microsplitter which i havnt seen before was amazing. Paul
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hi paul
which splitter did he use?
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not sure , but i'm sure he will let you know
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At the risk of offending someone, I have heard it referred to as ' Jesus in a bottle' ;)
Now you know why 8)
If my statement offended anyone then TUFF
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May our Lord have Mercy on you.
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I’ll forgive you Chris, magnanimous don’t you think?
All types of denominations
Len
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The first 2 seater wasn,t soiled a lot and we used u/master which was ok, the second 2 seater had quite a bit of soil so out came th e micro splitters,I ,ve seen it work on carpets but on suite ,s it just melts the dirt away.
it was the no 4 wool carpet and upholstry one we used ,red label.
I,ve been trying to tell paul about them for a while but seeing is beliving,I agited with a cotton towel and you could see the dirt on it.
The customers have got me to quote for the rest of the house 3 bedrooms living room diningroom and 2 bathroom & protect yipee ;D ;D ;D
We have a new convert follower,s
Neil
ps Thanks paul would took me double the time without you :D
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At the risk of offending someone, I have heard it referred to as ' Jesus in a bottle' ;)
You are joking of course, more like water in bottle.
Tried the stuff once, never again bloody crap, my batch went down the drain.
Pete
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Peter,
My first bottle (One Step), which I had sent over from Germany in about 1990 met the same fate as yours.
More recently, having heard that others were having sucess with it, I bought some more. My thoughts were if it can work for anyone, it can work for me.
I made it work. Not though struggle but through perserverance and listening to others.
Having learnt how to use micro-splitters, I refined the technique and the result is that I use them on most jobs - not because they are very cost-effective - but because of the results that can be achieved and because I believe they are the safest cleaning agents available.
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Peter
My own experiences on micro-splitters echo John's.. Trying it just once wasn't giving it a realistic chance.
When I first used the CFR handtool I discarded it....I now use nothing else for upholstery
Remember the story of Robert the Bruce and the spider....try, try again
Cheers
Derek
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Peter...........you must read the labels ::)
The first time i tried it, i mixed up like 'traditional chemicals' and got nowhere. :-[
READ the label and realised my mistake and now i use nothing else than Solutions ;D
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I did the same as everyone else used it and thought it dosent work, but as chris said, read the labels and keep trying, it does work, ask paul chambers.
And the spotters are second to none ,dont forget these microsplitters are very safe, well worth the extra effort.
Neil
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Peter,
My first bottle (One Step), which I had sent over from Germany in about 1990 met the same fate as yours.
I did not realise they have been around so long, I was under the impression they were fairly new! ???
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Dennis,
At the time I got my first supply of One-Step, it was being marketed/distributed in several European countries by Solutions Gloeker <Sp?>, the now manufacturers of the Solutions range distributed in the UK by Nick V W (soon to be promoted to Nick Mercedes).
I had read about the technology in a scientific journal in about 1988/9 but was unable to source any UK supplier. It took some time to track down the supplier in Germany.
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JB.
I thought he was already uprated to Nick BmW ;D
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I must thank Nick as even the box from the Microsplitters comes in useful, my son and myself made Thunder Bird 2 out of it last weekend when it was raining.
Nick you sure have the solution.
F.A.B.
Shaun
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What dilution ratio do you guys use - do you dilute with warm water? Does adding say Odour Fresh to the solution negate it's effect at all?
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I dilute 16:1 on everything.
Also make up a bottle of spotter at 4:1
Works a treat.
Mark
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thanks mark - does making up a stronger solution compromise the result? Or is it just a case of getting away with weakest solution possible to save on costs?
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Nope
Just found that the 16:1 ratio works a treat.
If I come across a bad traffic lane that wont budge I just mist some pre mixed "spotter" on it.
I know its a bit of a cliche now but to echo Nicks words "Less is more" ;D ;D
Mark
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I had a real grubby suite to clean on Saturday. The place where the head rests on the cushion was smooth and shiny with hair gel etc etc. Now before I used solutions (sorry going to use the word solutions from now on because microsplitters is too much of a piggin mouthful !!!!!!! ) I would use fabric restorer real heavy on these bits but now with solutions I just spray my pre mixed spotter and scrub. It came up a treat.
The only time I will not use solutions is on for example restaurant carpets. I still use normal chems for those.
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Jacko,
The addition of the odour neutralisers I have tried have apparently not compromised performance.
My standard dilution rate is 1:16 but I have use 1:25 on very dirty carpets where other considerations made the weaker solution appropriate.
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I have used/do use microsplitters, but one thing that Im sure confuses many CCs including mysef is why is "Less is more"? This indicates that over applying would achieve less of a result, is this true and if so why?
Dave.
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I do NOT know but assume that if bond is broken with minimal spray, over spraying will only soak loosened soil furter into carpet/fabric............... ???
I may look like i know what i am doing but does 22 years qualify me as GOOD?
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No ;)
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Hi Guys
Dave, because microsplitters work on contact the soil particulate size is imediately reduced therefore if you overspray you are effectively washing the soil into the carpet/textile, as with "normal" cleaning it is always advisable to work towards dry, thus bringing the soil to the surface for easier removal. the addition of a small amount of deodoriser does not effect the performance of the Solution range of products, alternatively the deo can be added to the rinse tank.
Peter I would suggest you used the chemical wrongly, if used correctly Solution no3 will remove a huge range os stains/marks that would normally require a number of different chemicals.
Best regards Nick
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Nice one Nick.........my answer was correct assumption, even after a long night in the pub :o
Could not repeat last weeks win at the pub quiz, only managed joint 4th this week. :-/
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tell me nick ,or any one else for that matter,
is less best for the heavily soiled areas, or does the same dosage apply ?
having said that would it be nessacary to apply second
pre spray on these areas to get the optimum results,
this i have done in the past, maybe i am not applying correctly ,or should i say over appling
geoff
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Geof,
My findings are that heavily soiled areas respond to the same level of dampening as the less soiled areas.
With some types of soil, this may mean that the product is misted on a little more heavilly to counteract the product take-up by the soil. When doing this I apply the additional product during the agitatation stage, when the need becomes apparent..
John.
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Ive been giving micro splitters another try still not sure.
However the rash on my leg does not flame up when I use Micro Splitters.
However still unsure how much mist spray is required.
For example a 3 piece suite average size I litre of mixed Micosplitters?
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I hope you mean 1 litre of pre-spray containing the 10-16:1 mix. ::)
Or do you mean 1 litre of MS in a 10 - 16 litre sprayer for a 3 pc ???..............now THATS over spray :o
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Opinions please on the use of heat with Microsplitters.
Spray on cold or hot?
Extract cold or hot?
Any benefits or problems?
Alan
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Ian,
I have just cleaned a suite - 1 x 3, 1 x 2 & 1 x1 + 5 scatter cushions. I mixed up 1ltr of 1:16 and did not use it all. That's less than 62.5 ml of micro-splitter :D
John.
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Alan,
I am sure you are aware of the value of heat in cleaning with conventional chemicals, and the same applies to these products.
I mix micro-splitters with hot water but in reality it probably makes very little difference since the very fine mist-spray cools before reaching the fibres.
I rinse at the maximum temperature appropriate the the item being cleaned.
John.
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John's reply comes like a striking cobra as usual. Thanks John. Any other coments chaps?
What about the use of water softeners do they have any bearing on Microsplitters?
Alan
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John,
I have problems finding a decent sprayer that gives a good mist for more than a few jobs. What sprayer do you use on suites and carpets and what size jets.
Dave.
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Dave,
The Orion Pro Upholstery sprayer is a superb bit of kit.
It comes with a spray gun with instant shut-off trigger and a fine vee-jet. With practise you can get the right distance to cover a cushion from edge-to-edge with a single pass and a single pump-up can last for a whole suite. The gun is attached via a generous coiled hose.
Available from A&M at Watford ( http://www.aandmcs.co.uk/ ) and from World of Clean (link via Cleantalk).
On carpets I use a own-build electric sprayer with adjustable jet.
John.
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Chris I mean the mixed amount 1 in 8.
On the amount John did Yesterday I did a similar suite and used 1.5 litres mixed.
at 1 in 8 did I overkill
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Hi,
Excuse me for been naive but not been in the carpet cleaning industry was wondering what are microsplitters,where can you buy them and how much they cost?
I have been asked if i would be able to clean some sofas in these offices i clean and wondered if these would help.
Thanks,
MARK
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Ian,
I think some degree of overkill did take place.
Try 1:16 - not just to save on chemical cost - you will find that cleaning results actually improve.
The amount of diluted product used may also have been slightly excessive - the aim should be to uniformly dampen the fabric only to the extent that the fabrics' absorbancy can easily retain all the liquid applied.
Some have mentioned a 'stronger' mix for head-marks. My own preferance is to lightly mist stuborn hair-gell etc with Eco Spotter prior to the general pre-spray, then agitate with a cotton towel, turning as required. A further light application of the general pre-spray may very occasionally be required if the towell over-dries the fabric.
John.
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Mark,
This has been so frequently answered here that the search facility will provide a more complete answer than anyone would be prepared to type in in one go.
John.
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Hi Guys
Micro splitters are desigen to work from cold, however spraying it on or extracting using hot water can boost its cleaning capability, over heating it will cause the chemical to start to evaporate reducing its capability.
On heavily soiled areas it is best to perform a second application and agitation rather than to over spray once.
With Solution product their is no need for a water softener its already got one.
I hope this helps
Best regards Nick
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nick you say over heating can cause chemical to evaporete
at what sort of temp are you talking about
geoff
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Used solution no.2 for the first time today ( sample sent by Nick, Thank You). I cleaned a 3 piece which normally takes me 4 hours. Today it took only 3 hours and by only misting very lightly ( the facbric was very dirty, 8 years old and this was first clean).
I Presprayed ane extracted at a temp of 60 degrees.
Agitated alot as Nick advised.The suite came up great and even brought the colour back.
Nick thanks you have a new customer,super product.
Regards
Paul :)
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One product ive not heard mentioned on the forum before is the Heavy Duty Solutions #2, I used it myself for the 1st time last week on a heavily soiled snooker club/ public bar with stunning results.
In a bid to answer a few questions from micro splitter sceptics i performed a head to head with prochems impressive High Force, the stains chances are were from sticky soft drinks or spilt beer,etc and there were also large solid black tar like areas . I pre sprayed,agitated and extracted at 60 degrees with both products (using acidic rinse with the high force) and the results even on the tar like areas were virtually identicle,if i had to pick a winner purely on cleaning results having been back to inspect this morning i would say the micro splitter just takes it. When you consider the added cost of having to use acidic rinse with traditional chemicals for me in this situation the Heavy Duty solutions was a clear winner.
Paul