Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: chrismroberts on March 02, 2007, 08:44:21 am
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Hi Terry,
On the fastestwindowcleaner.co.uk website, is that you in the little flash animation? I was intrigued by your technique! Just wondering what squeegee technique you're using, as you seem to start in the middle and spiral out? Is this just because its a small blade and a big window?
Chris
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Also Terry,do you use WFP?
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Also Terry,do you use WFP?
That's like asking the R.A.F. if they used Messerschmitt 109's! ;D
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I bet he does from time to time.
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;D Hi guys,most squee gees will do,ts very much anack to the circles it does baffle people I will do this at the show,do a full 180 at speed dont take your hand off the glass at any time ::) :o ;D and no I do not use wfp :-X
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Sorry to let the side down and buy a wfp Terry. :-[
Purely protecting my injury, honest! ;D
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no way sqeeks ;D I dont want to look like a window sweeper ;D or a plant feeder ;D :-X
I am very much Interested in other projects rather than wfp we have no interest in them at present,I would not buy one we have no use for them in our world ;D
would not want the hassle pulling all that hose out,just to clean a window,simply not for us,still theres always some one that likes them :-\ includeing the spots them provide ;D ::) :-X
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Terry your a Dinosaur ;)
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Terrysaurus.
Terrydactyl. ;D
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;D thanks Telboy are you going to Nec ;D I might go over to wfp ;D its funny old world we not long took a job,from a wfp spots are us he should have called himself.it was a car showroom,only he just done them next day,we got called to clean them,it looked like the showroom had measles ;D ;D ::)
thousands of pounds and still cant get it right ;D good old squee gee ;D
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TERRY ru in bed with general LEE NFWC , HE DIDNT LIKE MY COMMENT AT THE EXCEL CENTRE .may be he will get the same reply at Nec .
I thought we had it sorted this wfp v trad , wfp doesnt give the windows spots only an undertrained opperator gives it spots ,what about lines in trad methods soap marks and runs from top of frames seen them on many a commercial building done trad .
A clear lack of knowledge or downright scanking the customer in both ways of cleaning.
Im quite confident that wfp used by myself on commercial and domestic doesnt leave dots or runs as with my trad method none is better than the other, used by a compident w/c just that one is safer than the other.
gaza
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Ditto
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for sure you only as good as you wfp,same applys with squeegee, you cant get away from the spotting it happens ,still wont get me buying them :P,as for your reply gazza,you be better off in bed with him then me ;D :o
I am not on the board any more ;D
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fair comment Terry I wouldnt like to be known that I had something to do with
general Lee a lot of my customers heard his remarks and hes never apoliguised to anyone for his outlandish comments.
Everyone can hold an oponion but to vent an opion on the basis that is hearsay is criminal cus he doesnt or didnt have a clue what he was saying ,so it must have been hearsay.
gaza ;D
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;D I really hope to see a lot of faces at the show please come and say Hi,after all we are all part of this great forum ;D ;D 8)
have to say at this point I am not anti wfp we just dont have any place in our world for them ;D so its my opinion of them and what I get feed back on them..
you are mighty as you are all can be good at what you do :)
I dont think people know that I am not on the board of the Federation any longer,but I will assit them when I can and do so...they have backed me in projects before and I dont forget this... :)
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Hi Tel
No I wont be at NEC I'll wait till Docklands next year.
I'll be 65 next Sunday so I will be looking to slow things down a bit soon and let my son carry on. ;)
Good Luck Turbo keep spreading the word :D
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i agree with terry the fed have always been helpfull with me ,once half way through a 3 year contract we where stopped from using ladders by the on site H and S officer who was under the impression ladders where banned even though we are a long established firm our arguments fell on deaf ears after we spoke to mr lee he spoke to the safety officer and put him right on what the law says, we was able to finish the site that year from ladders.
The job is only done once a year but is a very large site Mr lee was honest in telling the safety officer that WFP was safer but due to the large intervals between cleans plus the poor condition of frames on some blocks the results could be sub standard.
The following year we did use WFP some of the blocks where fine others i can only describe as appalling but at least the H and S safety officer hadnt been mislead into thinking that WFP was some sort of magic wand and will probably accept our oppinion when we use ladders in certain areas .
I for one even though i use WFP am in total agreement with mr lee in that a lot of windows are better done traditional.
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i agree with terry the fed have always been helpfull with me ,once half way through a 3 year contract we where stopped from using ladders by the on site H and S officer who was under the impression ladders where banned even though we are a long established firm our arguments fell on deaf ears after we spoke to mr lee he spoke to the safety officer and put him right on what the law says, we was able to finish the site that year from ladders.
The job is only done once a year but is a very large site Mr lee was honest in telling the safety officer that WFP was safer but due to the large intervals between cleans plus the poor condition of frames on some blocks the results could be sub standard.
The following year we did use WFP some of the blocks where fine others i can only describe as appalling but at least the H and S safety officer hadnt been mislead into thinking that WFP was some sort of magic wand and will probably accept our oppinion when we use ladders in certain areas .
I for one even though i use WFP am in total agreement with mr lee in that a lot of windows are better done traditional.
"mr lee was Honest" you have just lost the argument with that statement.
Mr Lee proved on National Television that he hasn't a clue about wfp cleaning.
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;Dappy birfday Telboy ;D next you will be saying cant make it to Excell you old git ;D make the effort on ye cimmer frame ;D and show some spirit ;D
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"mr lee was Honest" you have just lost the argument with that statement.
Mr Lee proved on National Television that he hasn't a clue about wfp cleaning.
williamx i am not getting into an argument but there are certain things WFP_ wont move ie paint after painters cement and silicone for a builders clean and it does struggle on baked on egg and odd pieces of bird muck and this is what mr lee was stateing he was honest in saying that often the ladder is best for some jobs and you are kidding yourself and your customers if you believe any different
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Thanks Tel
I really needed that :(
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"mr lee was Honest" you have just lost the argument with that statement.
Mr Lee proved on National Television that he hasn't a clue about wfp cleaning.
williamx i am not getting into an argument but there are certain things WFP_ wont move ie paint after painters cement and silicone for a builders clean and it does struggle on baked on egg and odd pieces of bird muck and this is what mr lee was stateing he was honest in saying that often the ladder is best for some jobs and you are kidding yourself and your customers if you believe any different
I don't think that I have been kidding myself and it is true that Paint-silicone-cement-baked on egg muck and other substances can be difficult to remove by using just water and a brush.
But Mr Lee could have explained that as with trad cleaning, the cleaner has to use various adapters to help remove these substances.
I have removed all of the above without the need to use a ladder and I have gone inside to check the window from that side to make sure, with wfp there are various adapters that help in the removal of all kinds of crap its a shame that Mr Lee didn't mention this on the tv interview or since to the general public.
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yes various adapters can be used but these to have their limits if you attach a scraper and try scraping paint of a window 30 feet up you can easily scratch frames or damage newly painted frames , if you use a chemical then again you can cause more damage to surfaces surrounding glass not to mention the danger of splashing passers by with chemical from a thirty foot pole , whatever job is done a person should be experienced in using all tools available to him and using the best one for the job. Mr lee himself isnt against WFP because he uses them himself but he does realize their limitations.
each job is differant and there are lots of methods of access ie rope access , cherrypicker, ladder and WFP all have advantages and disadvantages it is upto us as professionals to advise clients on the costs and limitations of each method and also the safety risks with each one.
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Trevor
You are right in what you say and if Mr Lee had said the same then there wouldn't have been any fuss, but he did not, instead he implied that wfp cleaning cannot clean windows with bird muck on it at all.
There are always going to be various levels of cleaning, it would be ideal to get up and close on every window but this cannot happen because of various factors and cost would be the main one.
Wfp cleaning is here to stay and with experience it can clean windows just as good as a trad cleaner, but it not the fault of the "pole" if it doesnt achieve this but the "poler".
The same applies to trad cleaners it not the squeegee's fault when the frames aren't cleaned but it is the operators fault.
Power to the POLE and up the revolution. ;D
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williamx i am not getting into an argument but there are certain things WFP_ wont move ie paint after painters cement...[etc]
Being ex-army I used to have many dealings with the REME (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (or Rough Engineering Made Easy)) and it was said of them that the only tool they used was a hammer.
The more complex a job; the bigger the hammer they used.
Obviously this was a 'urine-take'; but it's a good analogy for window cleaning.
We don't only have to use ladders; there are other 'tools in the box'.
Remember, most WFP users will still use ladders.
If we're faced with a minging job that requires scrapers, we use ladders; get it up to standard; then do subsequent jobs with a WFP in a quicker, easier and safer way.
Simple really.