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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sir Squeaky on March 01, 2007, 08:24:10 pm

Title: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 01, 2007, 08:24:10 pm: Hi everyone, hope I can get some help here. :)

Due to this injury I'm not going to be working for at least another week or so.
The thought of going back to scrubbing and carrying ladders fills me with fear of re-injury. :-\

After having a go at Ian Giles's lightweight pole today I think now would be the best time to get kitted out, as I'm not working and I've got plenty of time on my hands.

What I'd like to know is a fairly accurate estimate on how much it will all cost.

I'd like a fairly light pole though, but not expensive like carbon.
(I think Tosh has some cheap light job)

I want a cheap van mount, as I'm not lugging barrels about or a backpack.

If I can get an old Astramax or something for £500, will I get it all set up under £1200?

Cheers, Rog.
(Ian will tell you a funny story about today...well, it wasn't funny for him :-X ;D)
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Clive McDonald on March 01, 2007, 08:35:53 pm: Best of luck Roger. I hope your luck changes.Sounds like a sensible decision for the right reasons.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: brightnclean on March 01, 2007, 09:01:23 pm: Hi Rog.

Have a look at this system http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRO-250-LTR-WATER-FED-POLE-WINDOW-CLEANING-VAN-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ260090970120QQihZ016QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just about all you need there. Maybe the only thing you might want to change or buy elsewhere is the pole as it's a fibreglass one. Iv'e dealt with Pure Freedom and if you give them a call I am sure they will try to help you.

Cheers and I hope you are OK soon
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Clear Vision on March 01, 2007, 09:04:05 pm: Rog,

Are you drunk?

Your going to switch to wfp? :o :o

Good luck to you and on a serious note i'm sorry to hear of your injury.

Matthew
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 01, 2007, 09:11:32 pm: Quote from: brightnclean on March 01, 2007, 09:01:23 pm
Hi Rog.

Have a look at this system http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRO-250-LTR-WATER-FED-POLE-WINDOW-CLEANING-VAN-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ260090970120QQihZ016QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just about all you need there. Maybe the only thing you might want to change or buy elsewhere is the pole as it's a fibreglass one. Iv'e dealt with Pure Freedom and if you give them a call I am sure they will try to help you.

Cheers and I hope you are OK soon
Is this system one which even purifies on board so I wouldn't need a water tank at home?
That would be a great help, as that's my main problem.

Also, what's wrong with fibreglass poles?
Are they not light?
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Clear Vision on March 01, 2007, 09:14:26 pm: fibre glass poles are ok up to 30ft. any higher than that and you would really strugle
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: brightnclean on March 01, 2007, 09:38:01 pm: Quote from: Squeaky Clean. on March 01, 2007, 09:11:32 pm
Quote from: brightnclean on March 01, 2007, 09:01:23 pm
Hi Rog.

Have a look at this system http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRO-250-LTR-WATER-FED-POLE-WINDOW-CLEANING-VAN-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ260090970120QQihZ016QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just about all you need there. Maybe the only thing you might want to change or buy elsewhere is the pole as it's a fibreglass one. Iv'e dealt with Pure Freedom and if you give them a call I am sure they will try to help you.

Cheers and I hope you are OK soon
Is this system one which even purifies on board so I wouldn't need a water tank at home?
That would be a great help, as that's my main problem.

Also, what's wrong with fibreglass poles?
Are they not light?

You would need an outside tap Rog and probably a drive. I reckon all you would need to add would be a ball-cock shut off valve but the van would have to be hooked up to the tap basically overight. Its an RO system so it wont purify on demand but it should easily fill the tank overnight.

I only mentioned changing the pole because you have had a go with a CF one I presume which is lighter but the fibreglass at 18 ft ish is not heavy at all. Just heavier than the CF ones.

I,ve read your many pro-trad posts but honestly Rog. Make the change while you can. Despite your many reasons for not going WFP the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages and most importantly you will be far safer.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Ian_Giles on March 01, 2007, 09:39:16 pm: Mmm, I'll do a thread with regards my 'funny story' as Squeaky puts it :'(

Rog,

Check out this thread, I mentioned it to you earlier;

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=33473.msg262194#msg262194

It's about his DIY carbon pole....

Something like an Astramax should be able to have something like a 350l tank....at least I would think so, I'm sure someone on here will know what its load capabilities are...
Without researching through the various suppliers sites, you shouldn't be too far wide of the mark.
You will probably be better off nipping over to Matts DIY site for more info on putting a sytem together from scratch.

Lets see...
Van tank.........£150
Cage for tank £100-150
R/O.................£150
Pole................£200 (including pole hose & brush)
hose...............£60 (microbore, 100m)
Reel.................£55 (a decent steel one)
Battery............£40
Water butts ...£60 (garden centre)
Delivery pump £120
Transfer pump £50
Hose for transfer pump £50 (ish, depending how long a run of it you need)

That takes you up to just over a grand or so....those prices aren't too far off, and providing you are prepared to set everything up yourself, allowing for things I've forgotten! you should be able to get sorted for around £1,200

I'm sure others will have plenty to add....

Ian

Mmm, 5 replies since i started this reply!
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 01, 2007, 09:44:15 pm: Ouch Ian! :o
People have said it's a lot cheaper than that. :(

I meant finding an old van for £500-odd, so could I get a system for £700?

I can't fill a van overnight, as it's on the road down 14 steep steps and across the pavement.

Suddenly I can't see this happening. :(
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: kiral1404 on March 01, 2007, 09:54:28 pm: Why don't you ask tosh or ian to sell you some of their water. that way you only need the van equipment save you on a ro, storage tank transfer pump and hose etc
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: brightnclean on March 01, 2007, 09:55:14 pm: Rog.

Have you got room for an IBC or a couple of water butts?

If so what you could do is fill them up and then as Ian says just use a sub pump with transfer hose to get the water into your van tank. It would take less than 5 mins to fill it. You can get a decent sub pump and enough transfer hose for well less than £100. A 2nd hand IBC,pump and transfer hose should be £100 quid..ish all in.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: JM123 on March 01, 2007, 09:57:55 pm: Ian Giles or Tosh, whats the tds of your tap water - di only might be ok.

we gotta get squeeky hooked in here before he changes his mind!! ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Bazzy1999 on March 01, 2007, 09:58:04 pm: squeeky its 1st march not 1st april...... ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 01, 2007, 10:00:37 pm: I know, but Ian gave me a "cracking" idea today.
I'd better "snap" to it. ;D

Private joke, he'll tell you in his own time... ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: chris@c.m.s on March 01, 2007, 11:33:01 pm: If your van is down 14 steps then you wont need transfer pump, I'm in a maisonete and at the moment only have a 125ltr tank in a volvo estate, I produce the water indoors store it in a slim waterbutt in the kitchen, run a hose to the car open the tap and it takes about 10 mins, if you have a garden you could make enough to fill your van.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Ian_Giles on March 02, 2007, 06:34:52 am: Rog,
You can certainly set yourself up in WFP for less than that, but to get the system YOU want then I think £1200 is pretty good.
You could shave a good 150 quid off that by going for cheap poles, a little more by going for a 60psi pump, the shurflo ones are cheaper than the one I have in the back of the van.
You could save money on your water butts, heck, I picked up my 1000l IBC tank for nowt.
Your leisure battery can be picked up for £30.
And as has been pointed out, you could also do away with the transfer pump, another £40 saving
If you are really prepared to hunt around and be prepared to settle for less than you want then you can certainly get up and running for less.

But you do need a light pole, and I know you want to cut down on time faffing about charging water tanks and so on.
I am well aware that you really do want to come home from work and forget about it until you get up in the morning and drive off to start your new day, but you will have to at least put up with five or ten minutes to re-fill your van tank at the end of the day, so you also need a system in place that makes that an easy task.

Seriously Rog, have another chat with your business bank manager and tell him your plans, I think you will find he will help you.

I know you still find it hard to believe, but you WILL very quickly find that your earnings will start to climb, and if you have the balls for it you can up your prices by about an average of £1.50 per account.
Stop spluttering!
I'm telling you that you can!
Take a look at your total situation, you are currently incapacitated, even when you were fine you were struggling to pay your tax bill (not your fault I know) At one point it looked like you only had £150 to buy a new car with, and yet you work hard every day.....

No matter how you continue in window cleaning, you need to increase your earnings.

You simply tell your customers that you have no option, you are too cheap, you increase the price or you have no option but to get out of window cleaning, plus you are damaging your health by your current method of working and have to invest in the new technology...and so on and so on.

Some of your work you will be able to put up by more than that, so initially you should be able to boost your income, even allowing for a handful of cancelations...

It will take you a couple of months to get the hang of things, and you'll have loads of frustrations getting it right, but you will also have a couple of mates close by to help you out.

It takes effort, but the benefits can be enormous, I've told you the kind of money I'm earning now (not to be repeated on here by the way!) my commercial work has indeed increased but the biggest increase by far is my residential work.
Without WFP I wouldn't stand a hope in hell of earning what I do now.

Bite the bullet dude, raise the finance.

Ian
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: AuRavelling79 on March 02, 2007, 07:17:35 am: Quote from: Ian_Giles on March 02, 2007, 06:34:52 am
No matter how you continue in window cleaning, you need to increase your earnings.

You simply tell your customers that you have no option, you are too cheap, you increase the price or you have no option but to get out of window cleaning, plus you are damaging your health by your current method of working and have to invest in the new technology...and so on and so on.

Some of your work you will be able to put up by more than that, so initially you should be able to boost your income, even allowing for a handful of cancelations...

It will take you a couple of months to get the hang of things, and you'll have loads of frustrations getting it right, but you will also have a couple of mates close by to help you out.

It takes effort, but the benefits can be enormous, I've told you the kind of money I'm earning now (not to be repeated on here by the way!) my commercial work has indeed increased but the biggest increase by far is my residential work.
Without WFP I wouldn't stand a hope in hell of earning what I do now.

Bite the bullet dude, raise the finance.
Ian

This part of Ian's post is so important Squeaks.

Beg steal or borrow some dosh somewhere - it's a business expense against tax - pay it back at £100 a month over two years and you should be able to borrow £2K.

£500 will only get you a tired, tired old van that will break down and cost a fortune at MOT time. Spend more. Even if its on a lease. Ask on the forum if anyone is trading up and might have something decent to sell you.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: squeaky-clean 1 on March 02, 2007, 07:33:28 am: here is a tank

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200084729068&rd=1&rd=1

and a pump

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Submersible-Water-Pump-500w-Hot-Tub-Pool-Spa-Spas-Tubs_W0QQitemZ150094037260QQihZ005QQcategoryZ42240QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

and the transfer hose

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290085044434&rd=1&rd=1
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 02, 2007, 09:19:12 am: To be honest I had to ring my bank manager yesterday about my account, and how the bills were going to get paid.

They gave me a fairly big overdraft and told me not to worry.
I was only on the phone 5 minutes! Who says banks are tossers all the time?
I could spend some of that overdraft, but I don't really like to take advantage of their help, and p*ss them off after they bailed me out. :-\

I can borrow £1000 off my parents and add a couple of hundred myself, but I still need a van too.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Paul Coleman on March 02, 2007, 09:33:20 am: Quote from: Squeaky Clean. on March 01, 2007, 09:44:15 pm
Ouch Ian! :o
People have said it's a lot cheaper than that. :(

I meant finding an old van for £500-odd, so could I get a system for £700?

I can't fill a van overnight, as it's on the road down 14 steep steps and across the pavement.

Suddenly I can't see this happening. :(

I had problems with facilities too Rog. I got lucky when I put the word out though. I got a static tank with RO and some VERY cheap premises about 4 miles from home (I pay them with a bit of free window cleaning). If you put the word out and discuss the situation with people, you might just get lucky with a place to put the tank. Van ROs are all very well but they do tie up the vehicle and, like you, I have to park in the street while my home is set back a long way from the road.
That pole that Ian has is extremely light (I assume he was showing you the Superlight). I had a very brief go with one the other day.
Have you considered acupressure/acupuncture for that neck/shoulder problem yet. When I had something like that some years ago, it was the single thing that helped the most. Takes a while and costs (and I know money is tight) but you would be investing in yourself and your health.
I hope you get something sorted. You're fortunate that you have a number of WFPers in your area to help you get the feel of things.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Paul Coleman on March 02, 2007, 09:44:17 am: Sorry I can't really answer your original question (which I forgot to mention in my earlier post). I'm not too clued up on start-up costs. I took a more expensive route and got a 3 year old van and paid (as in borrowed the money for) for a tank and system. My start-up costs were pretty high to what you are looking at.
I know it may seem a bad idea right now, but sometimes it is better to think in terms of the monthly repayments rather than the total loan cost. Then take those monthly repayments and figure out how much (per month) extra you could earn with WFP (once the first cleans are out of the way). Bear in mind that there will be work open to you that previously was closed. Although it is fair to say that there will probably be work that will be less suitable with WFP, it is normally true that these jobs are the ones that you may wish to replace anyway. It sounds like you are faster with a squeegee than I was so maybe the earnings benefits will not be so remarkable.
I've still not answered your original question I know but hopefully there's something in there to give you a bit of food for thought.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: rugby on March 02, 2007, 09:50:46 am: Quote from: JM123 on March 01, 2007, 09:57:55 pm
Ian Giles or Tosh, whats the tds of your tap water - di only might be ok.

im moving to cwmbran soon,not that far from chepstow,so id also be interested in finding out the tds of the mains supply,i always thought s/Wales water had a very low tds,so squeaky might well get away with a di system only.if so could knock £200 or so off his start up cost
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Paul Coleman on March 02, 2007, 10:03:49 am: Quote from: rugby on March 02, 2007, 09:50:46 am
Quote from: JM123 on March 01, 2007, 09:57:55 pm
Ian Giles or Tosh, whats the tds of your tap water - di only might be ok.

im moveing to cwmbran soon,not that far from chepstow,so id also be interested in finding out the tds of the mains supply,i always thought s/Wales water had a very low tds,so squeaky might well get away with a di system only.if so could knock £200 or so off his start up cost

I'm not local to the area but I believe that water is harder in South Wales but is soft in North Wales.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: ronaldo on March 02, 2007, 12:28:07 pm: Rog, ive got an 18ft aluminium pole that i dont use anymore, your more than welcome to it if you want it, its something you have,nt got to buy and it will do to get you going let me no if you decide to change and you can have it ok mate.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 02, 2007, 02:22:25 pm: Thanks Ronaldo, but I think I'll have to have something fairly light, otherwise I'm defeating the object of going wfp.

I don't want to put unnecessary strain on my shoulder and arm.
I know it will cost me more, but I can't do it otherwise. :-\
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Moderator David@stives on March 02, 2007, 04:15:35 pm: Rog

The alluminium pole wont be to heavy

I would buy an extender 18 ' pole £100
di vessel -- ebay---£40
resin bag of £80
250 litre van tank or 125 litre car tank £100- £150
pump £60 - £100
use your own garden hose for now or borrow one

there you go a complete starter package for £400 ish.

You can upgrade as you earn the dosh.

I know a di is more expensive in the long term but it will get you going the cheapest possible way.

If you take ronaldos pole the you will just need an unger cranked joint and a lightweight tescos brush for about £3.00

Dave
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Paul Edwards on March 02, 2007, 04:20:00 pm: £80 for resin!? http://www.pure2o.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=142 £62!
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: H h20 on March 02, 2007, 04:21:31 pm: Quote from: Paul Edwards on March 02, 2007, 04:20:00 pm
£80 for resin!? http://www.pure2o.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=142 £62!

That`ll need vat n p&p,
Dave was spot on all in,
Gaz ;)
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Paul Edwards on March 02, 2007, 04:41:46 pm: Not if you buy something else as well. (free postage if order is over £100)
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Moderator David@stives on March 02, 2007, 04:44:34 pm: free postage from loads of places
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Paul Edwards on March 02, 2007, 04:46:00 pm: So it's not £80 for a bag of resin it's £72.85
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Moderator David@stives on March 02, 2007, 04:55:38 pm: £79 - £83 is pretty much the norm inc vat and delivery
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: pjulk on March 02, 2007, 06:09:31 pm: If i was you i would get a 400ltr tank you don't have to have it full and its a better size if you get a bigger van and they are not a great deal more than a 250 ltr.

From gardiners
100 Metres Microbore £57.20
Bayer Mixed Bed Resin Beads 25 litre £59.50
18 ft predator pole £84.00
400 Litre water tank flat £153.00
19 Litre Refurbished DI Pressure Canister £45.00
Heavy duty 60 mtr (100 mtr microbore) hose reel £54.00

Subtotal     £472.20
Shipping (First Class Post)     £49.90
VAT charge     £91.37
Total     £613.47

100PSI SHURFLO PUMP from pure freedom or ebay £79.99 delivered
1-Inline TDS meterfrom ebay £15.99 delivered
Submersible water pump 400 watt ebay £19.99 + £8.95 postage
20 mtrs of transfer hose from stream £37.25 delivered
Battery 85amp £40 approx
Water Butt £40 approx
webbing straps for tank £15 approx

Total £861.69 which includes vat and delivery

I think your £700 budget is a bit tight

Tou could knock £70 off that price if you went to B&Q and bought 50mtrs of standard hose on a reel

Paul
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Paul Coleman on March 02, 2007, 06:19:13 pm: Quote from: Paul Griffin on March 02, 2007, 06:09:31 pm
If i was you i would get a 400ltr tank you don't have to have it full and its a better size if you get a bigger van and they are not a great deal more than a 250 ltr.

From gardiners
100 Metres Microbore £57.20
Bayer Mixed Bed Resin Beads 25 litre £59.50
18 ft predator pole £84.00
400 Litre water tank flat £153.00
19 Litre Refurbished DI Pressure Canister £45.00
Heavy duty 60 mtr (100 mtr microbore) hose reel £54.00

Subtotal     £472.20
Shipping (First Class Post)     £49.90
VAT charge     £91.37
Total     £613.47

100PSI SHURFLO PUMP from pure freedom or ebay £79.99 delivered
1-Inline TDS meterfrom ebay £15.99 delivered
Submersible water pump 400 watt ebay £19.99 + £8.95 postage
20 mtrs of transfer hose from stream £37.25 delivered
Battery 85amp £40 approx
Water Butt £40 approx
webbing straps for tank £15 approx
Total £861.69

I think your £700 budget is a bit tight

Tou could knock £70 off that price if you went to B&Q and bought 50mtrs of standard hose on a reel

Paul

Nicely researched Paul but personally I would pass on standard hose. I started that way and the kinking really p'd me off. Hoselock pro was better but still kinked sometimes so I ended up with Tricoflex which seems fine. I know it will add to the price but remembering how frustrating I found the hose kinks, I reckon that starting with a decent hose is a must. As rog has some physica problem, maybe going in with a lighter microbore would be a good idea even. Not doing microbore myself yet but I reckon I will once my Tricoflex gives up the ghost.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: pjulk on March 02, 2007, 06:28:55 pm: I agree i personally would not go for the cheaper hose but i put that in as squeeky is trying to do it on a tight budget.

Myself i use minibore as i was not getting the flow i like with microbore but im only using 60 psi pumps if i had 100 psi pumps i would definitely go microbore.

Paul
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: AuRavelling79 on March 02, 2007, 06:29:22 pm: Deffo microbore on a decent reel - so much easier.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Russell Macdonald on March 02, 2007, 07:30:51 pm: Hi Rog. ;D

All the best mate, its the best move i've made.

I have a brand new reel with Tricoflex on. Microbore is the thing you need but if you want to save a few quid for a couple of months & then get the microbore, if you pay the postage its yours mate ;).

Macc
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Russell Macdonald on March 02, 2007, 07:38:14 pm: Quote from: ronaldo on March 02, 2007, 12:28:07 pm
Rog, ive got an 18ft aluminium pole that i dont use anymore, your more than welcome to it if you want it, its something you have,nt got to buy and it will do to get you going let me no if you decide to change and you can have it ok mate.

Rog.

As you know i run Tucker & they are ally, trust me they are not heavy.

I have damaged Tendons in my arm, i switched to Wfp because of my elbows, they were bad & my shoulders were ripped a year ago. Now i can really live with.

Macc
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 02, 2007, 08:26:30 pm: Cheers for all your help and suggestions guys.
I don't know who's ideas and offers to take up!
Macc, I'll get back to you on the hose though probably.

My latest thought...

If I get bits and parts from various different cheap sources it seems a lot of bother.
1: I'll pay postage on each part.
2: Some may take 3 days, some 7 days some 10 days..etc...
3: I'll have to wait in on tuesday for the tank, wednesday for the hose...etc... >:(

If I buy a whole system I know I'll pay more for the privelege because someone's obviously making a few quid from selling them, but one payment and the whole lot (pretty much) turns up in one van. :)

E-bay a good bet for this?
Not second hand in auctions, I want brand new and know how much I'm paying!

I'm making sense aren't I?
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Moderator David@stives on March 02, 2007, 08:34:25 pm: try purefreedom for a complete package of good value parts

Dave
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Russell Macdonald on March 02, 2007, 08:48:56 pm: You are making perfect sence Rog.

I went to Tucker, i lease my mount for all the reasons you state. I booked my van in & 2 days after dropping my van off i was working. I have many changes i have made over the 16 months but they work for me.

I think you should consider a lease as the payments are small & the turn over will more than cover it.

Since i've switched 16 months ago all my work is completed on time every 4 weeks, this is the first winter i have had every bill paid. I'm not trying to big up Wfp but its the way to go Rog.

Macc
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 02, 2007, 08:56:00 pm: Thing is I don't want any more payments at the moment and I've been offered some money to borrow to do it.

Next question:

I live in a house up 14 steps and my car ( or van...) is parked on the road.

I don't want to have to attach a hose down to it overnight.
Is there a way to fill it and it purifies on board overnight?
Or is that expensive?

Otherwise how do you purify in a tank and feed it in afterwards? ???
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Clive McDonald on March 02, 2007, 09:00:04 pm: worst case scenario is you purify in your kitchen into 25litre barrels and carry them to vehicle. This is not ideal.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Russell Macdonald on March 02, 2007, 09:02:44 pm: I have a static RO in my shed. 650ltr holding tank with a 300gpd RO from Gardiners. RO set up was about £700 all in.

Takes me 10 mins to transfer water to van mount tops ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Pj on March 02, 2007, 09:08:57 pm: If you could borrow enough, get an RO system like mine.
I connect my mains to the RO and fill straight into my van tank. I don't store any water. I produce 400 litres of pure in just over an hour ;)
Outside tap, half inch hose into booster pump, into RO, into resin vessel, through half inch garden hose straight into van.
I get home, stick the hozelock connector into my van tank, turn on the water and booster pump, have a cuppa, get cleaned up and changed, check the tank....full! Switch off, ready for tomorrow!
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 02, 2007, 09:10:14 pm: Perfect PJ!
That's the bugger I need!

Bet it costs loads though. :(
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Alex Gardiner on March 02, 2007, 09:15:55 pm: Hi Squeaky,

Sorry to hear of your injury, not good.

Glad that you are considering WFP.

First step to getting things sorted is to put your prices up! If you lose a few customers you will still be getting the same money for less work (got to be good for your health)

Good to hear that you can raise the money, it will be well worth it. Here is an idea that many have done, take out a new credit card with an interest free offer on new purchases (egg do a great one that lets you transfer money to your bank account), then you can go to one or two suppliers and buy everything on the card. Saves quite a bit in interest payments.

My take on what you need is

2 poles - £200 approx (drop me an email, I have some Super-Lite parts lying around that, with a few new parts can be made into a very nice 4 section 24ft pole)
and also a 12ft extender with an SL brush, which is very light and more adaptable than the Super-Lite for smaller domestic work. This will give you a fantastically light pole set-up which is where most of your thought needs to go as you are nursing an injury.

RO system - £150 approx(this will save you money hand over fist within just a few months) buy a small 200gpd type system coupled to a good size holding tank, say a 1000litre IBC (a few quid if you know where to go)

Transfer hose and shut-off valve 20m 11/4" £47 + £14.25
If as you say you are down 14 steps then you may well be able to gravity feed the tank in your vehicle. So all you will need is some hose to do so, 1" 1/4 transfer hose will be the fastest but also more expensive, so choose whether you are prepared to wait half-an-hour to fill your tank. You will also need a shut off valve on the vehicle end to save flooding your vehicle. Or add a submersible pump to do it in about 4 minutes.

Now to your vehicle

400 litre flat tank - £153+£20 delivery (or try and buy one second hand)

60psi Flojet and strainer(essential) £122.40

Connecting 1/2" hose, jubilee clips, Hozelock endstop, tank elbow, £12 approx

60m Hozelock hosereel (do not get anything heavier) £27

60m microbore and fitting kit - £44.35

And that is it.

Total cost = £790 + vat + £30 delivery
= £963 total

Ways to reduce this cost
Buy a second hand tank (save about £90)
Buy a cheaper RO unit off ebay (100gpd) it will be slower but you will have an IBC to give you a reserve (save £75)
Buy an 18ft Universal pole with SL brush, not as light as the 2 pole set-up above but cheaper to start with (save £120)
Use your own garden hose reel ( save £31.70) but do not sacrifice the microbore!

New total £647 total.

I have based all prices from our website for simplicity, but these products can obviously be bought elsewhere.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Pj on March 02, 2007, 10:22:41 pm: Quote from: Squeaky Clean. on March 02, 2007, 09:10:14 pm
Perfect PJ!
That's the bugger I need!

Bet it costs loads though. :(

New = about £800

I'll look out for used for you.

At least you know, even though you've argued with almost everyone here for months and months.... everybody loves you!

Except Turbo Terry ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: JohnL on March 02, 2007, 10:58:26 pm: What ever you do now Rog do not back off the idea of going wfp. Its a lot of faffing around but in all respects as a user its far better in running a more profitable business.

Anyway, I do like the idea of Alex's separate credit card to fund your requirements. I may adopt that for myself as my part time WC business is proving very rewarding and am thinking of moving forward a bit to cater for the increase in business.

I wish you all the best in your deliberations mate :)
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: brett walker on March 03, 2007, 05:59:39 pm: Rog

like many have said to you before dont knock til you have tried it dont listen to customers that complain about wfp they have obviously had someone doing it with bad results.
Done correctly as long as you work is suitable for it you will be ok, when reading your post i can see you are concienious when doing your trad work so i can see you just doing the same if you go wfp.
I went into wfp because i had a knee injury but it has taken me a year to get into it properly i used to think what the hell have i done but now i wouldnt go back on ladders for all the tea in china ;D

Is there any chance of tagging along with Ian and Tosh to the show? my twin room is available 13th and 14th so thats your accomodation sorted as long as you dont snore or sleepwalk :P
The show will give you chance to check different poles out and talk to different people about wfp

Hope it all works out for you

Brett
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Easyclean Windows on March 03, 2007, 06:37:57 pm: WATER TANK 250LTR £110.45
PUMP £99.87
POLE 4 FOOT      £57.57
POLE 21 FOOT      £94.00
HOSE 100MTR MICROBORE   £152.75
DI POLISHING UNIT    £23.67
RESIN          £23.67
VARIOUS POLE/HOSE FITTINGS ABOUT £30.00
SWITH FOR PUMP   £10.00
LEISURE BATTERY   £75.00

SO ALL STARTED WITHOUT RO £676.98
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 03, 2007, 07:23:33 pm: That sounds alright Easyclean, but is that a lightweight pole, and is that all from the same supplier?

I've really got to get this sorted in the next few days, then that gives me until the following week (if I'm fit) to get started.

I still don't know how to set all this up, but I imagine I'd be able to get Ian or Tosh to show me.

I've no outside tap either.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: brightnclean on March 03, 2007, 08:02:10 pm: Squeaky.

I am really sorry that you are going through a difficult time but I am beginning to doubt this whole thread. All I see is one excuse after another not to go down the wfp route despite all the very good advice given. Now we are told you dont have an outside tap. Sorry mate but I think you know whats needed to set up a simple wfp system. After all from what I can see you have been around the forum long enough to have a grip on the basics and it also looks like you have plenty of WC'ers you know who use wfp in your area.

I know one guy who lives in a 4th floor flat and still manages to produce Ro'd water and get it into his van. You can do it within your budget give or take a few quid and have a very decent set up. If you want something badly enough or just have to do it to make a living then you can do it. If not then dont bother.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 03, 2007, 08:13:11 pm: Quote from: brightnclean on March 03, 2007, 08:02:10 pm
Squeaky.

I am really sorry that you are going through a difficult time but I am beginning to doubt this whole thread. All I see is one excuse after another not to go down the wfp route despite all the very good advice given. Now we are told you dont have an outside tap. Sorry mate but I think you know whats needed to set up a simple wfp system.
No I don't, I haven't a clue, that's the whole point.
It might require a banana and a lava lamp for all I know.

They're not excuses they're questions. >:(
I am going to do this, but I don't bloody know the first thing about it.

I've had plenty of good advice about prices and different types of systems, but a lot of it is jargon to me.

I've no idea how it works, apart from the actual cleaning bit.
If I had some sort of diagram it might make sense.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: 007 or what on March 03, 2007, 08:21:08 pm: Hi PJ

"If you could borrow enough, get an RO system like mine.
I connect my mains to the RO and fill straight into my van tank. I don't store any water. I produce 400 litres of pure in just over an hour
Outside tap, half inch hose into booster pump, into RO, into resin vessel, through half inch garden hose straight into van.
I get home, stick the hozelock connector into my van tank, turn on the water and booster pump, have a cuppa, get cleaned up and changed, check the tank....full! Switch off, ready for tomorrow!"
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: 007 or what on March 03, 2007, 08:22:28 pm: Sorry i meant to ask

Whats the psi after the booster pump?
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: brightnclean on March 03, 2007, 08:39:07 pm: OK Squeaky this is no oil painting but it shows the sequence for you. You could set up the water purificatin in an hour max. Getting an outside tap cant be too much of a prob.. or is it? It would be my set up given your circumstances. All this could be set up for 700 ish if you take up Ronaldo's offer of his pole which wont be too heavy at all.

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Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 03, 2007, 08:49:27 pm: Thanks, that's better.
So it's just tap into purifiers, into tank, and pumped to the van.
Sounds easy enough...but...

Two awkward things.(not excuses, I want this)

If I can get a tap fitted it would have to be off the kitchen, which sadly is at the back, and I'm in a terrace. :(

I couldn't put a tank out the front anyway with my sloping garden, and of course it's a rented house.

My back "garden" is small, so I couldn't really manage more than a 250L water butt.

I'd have to have a permanent hose through the house or over the roof!

Wish I had my own drive, I really do. :-\
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 03, 2007, 08:50:38 pm: I'm just trying to paint the entire picture so that I can find out exactly what I want.

I need to get ordering, but don't want something I can't practically use.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: dave0123 on March 03, 2007, 08:53:32 pm: I'd have to have a permanent hose through the house or over the roof!

How i see it is you would only need to run it through your house 2 fill your van up? you could take it away then untill the next fill?? dont see how it would need to be permantly laid there squeaky.

Im trad at the moment i might be wrong but jus how i seen it
Dave
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Bonzer on March 03, 2007, 08:57:21 pm: Surely someone could help Roger out with the water situation? Because of the 'awkward' situation with the taps and lack of garden space, it would be better if he could chip in with a local wfp user to offset the costs of producing the water and use his facilities?

I am thinking especially of those who have 4040 systems and produce a lot of water in a relatively short period of time. It wouldn't be too hard to share some of that.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 03, 2007, 09:04:20 pm: Would be helpful, but that's up to them to offer if it's not putting them out.

I would like to be self-sufficient if I can though.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: brightnclean on March 03, 2007, 09:08:09 pm: I was just about to type almost exactly what Dave has just said.

I really AM trying to help here Squeaky (Can I call you Rog?) :)

I am beginning to understand just how awkward setting up will be for you but it can be done. OK it means the transfer hose through the house for a few mins every day but that would do the trick for you. One thing to remember. With RO's you get a waste water pipe which needs to go to drain. All you really need is a downpipe drain though. Your other but more expensive to run option would be a DI only system which produces water at tap rate with no waste. Maybe one of your mates could bring their tds meter and take your water quality reading for you. Of course maybe someone near you might already have plenty of water and be willing to sell it to you to fill your tank up. It wont cost you much at all and will pay for itself no probs. I sell water to a couple of my mates. 250 ltrs would be £4.00 from me. Then all you might need is a DI vessel for topping up if needed.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 03, 2007, 09:22:31 pm: I'm off out for a bit now, to spend some money I don't really have. ;D

Now that the situation is known, hopefully someone can tell me who to buy the kit from.
All one order though please (if I can).

Cheers, Rog.

ps...thanks for the help so far. :)
Catch you later...
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: rugby on March 03, 2007, 09:33:40 pm: i was in cwmbran today "not far from chepstow" and tested the tds,it was 175pm, i think the water in chepstow will be roughly the same tds.i think 175 is a little high to go di only,so i think rog will have to to get an RO, or di resin might not last too long
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Roy Harding on March 03, 2007, 09:52:13 pm: Roger

I have a brand new shurflow 60 psi pump here in the box that you can have to get you started.

Roy
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Bazzy1999 on March 03, 2007, 09:54:09 pm: Ive got a few bits he can have (free) but he wants everything in one delivery.

Bazz..
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 04, 2007, 12:07:17 am: That's great guys, cheers.

Would it be a problem tough, ordering a complete system minus those bits?

And what system do I buy?
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Russell Macdonald on March 04, 2007, 12:26:19 am: Hi Rog.

Write down all the bits you have been offered, i think you will find your getting close to a system. So far i think your short of:

water tank
poles
Di bottle
varistream
a few connections

Amasing, all the grief you have given us & we are here for you :-*
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Pj on March 04, 2007, 09:54:25 am: Quote from: 007 or what on March 03, 2007, 08:22:28 pm
Sorry i meant to ask

Whats the psi after the booster pump?

75psi into the RO

My mains pressure is useless without boost.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Ian_Giles on March 04, 2007, 10:08:03 am: Rog,

You are quite welcome to the odd cup of water ::)

Get yourself kitted out with van and WFP system and all you need do is drop around after work and fill up your tank, if you have a van with a 350l tank I should just about be able to keep you topped up.
Slip me a fiver a week and we're sorted ;)

You can then work on ideas to get yourself more self sufficient.

Maybe Emma's parents will let you source a tank at their place?

You could even get an IBC tank and put it next to the one I have, currently I'm not on a meter, so water costs are not a problem.

Our water pressure is 85psi, so we might even be able to run two R/O's side by side, or, failing that, set up a booster pump.

In time you might find you can affort to upgrade to a more expensive 4040 R/O and connect it up for an hour or two to fill up at home.
With a system fitted in the van it also gives you the option of connecting up to a customer's outside tap and filling up as you work, or have your lunch break.

We can soon get you started dude ;)

Ian
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: brightnclean on March 04, 2007, 10:34:17 am: Quote from: Ian_Giles on March 04, 2007, 10:08:03 am
Rog,

You are quite welcome to the odd cup of water ::)

Get yourself kitted out with van and WFP system and all you need do is drop around after work and fill up your tank, if you have a van with a 350l tank I should just about be able to keep you topped up.
Slip me a fiver a week and we're sorted ;)

You can then work on ideas to get yourself more self sufficient.

Maybe Emma's parents will let you source a tank at their place?

You could even get an IBC tank and put it next to the one I have, currently I'm not on a meter, so water costs are not a problem.

Our water pressure is 85psi, so we might even be able to run two R/O's side by side, or, failing that, set up a booster pump.

In time you might find you can affort to upgrade to a more expensive 4040 R/O and connect it up for an hour or two to fill up at home.
With a system fitted in the van it also gives you the option of connecting up to a customer's outside tap and filling up as you work, or have your lunch break.

We can soon get you started dude ;)

Ian

Mr Giles sir.

You are indeed a gentleman!!! :)

Rog.

From what I see you have just about been offered everything you need to get set up now. Pump from Roy Harding, pole from Ronaldo, Water supply from Ian. You need a tank. reel, hose, and I would advise an electronic flow controller. You could easily be up and running in a few days after getting your van.

Despite all of your anti wfp rantings (Tongue in cheek I think) I reckon you are well respected around this forum. I've cerainly enjoyed watching some of your posts :)

Swallow the old pride thing mate and take the offers of help. Its a rare thing nowadays to see people freely offer stuff and advice to help a fellow human being out.

Ian.. I am looking to set up another small van system. Where can you get a 350 ltrs tank from? All I see is 250 or 400 ltr ones as standard.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Ian_Giles on March 04, 2007, 11:08:23 am: Quote from: brightnclean on March 04, 2007, 10:34:17 am

Ian.. I am looking to set up another small van system. Where can you get a 350 ltrs tank from? All I see is 250 or 400 ltr ones as standard.

Do you know, I'm not sure! ???

I know that Peter Fogwill at Aquaclean (Broxburn cleaning) does a 350l trailer system, so I would presume the Peter would know where to souce the tank itself from...
Possibly so would a few of the other suppliers if you ran them direct.

I'm also sure I've read on Gardiners site that they can get a tank custom made, so that may be the only other way of getting a 350l tank...

www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk

Ian
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 04, 2007, 11:31:46 am: Brilliant Ian! :D
Thanks a lot mate. ;)

It would only be for so long anyway, as when the money is rolling in I'll be moving to a "proper" house!

All I have to do now is have a good look around later for the right kit at the best price.

Any pointers in the right direction appreciated.
Purefreedom maybe?

I'm off to Cardiff now for the day, but I really must make a decision tonight and order tomorrow.

Cheers. (I'm quite excited now :o)
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Tosh on March 05, 2007, 05:33:51 pm: Quote from: Sunshine Cleaning (Bear) on March 05, 2007, 05:29:04 pm
Come on Squeaky, your a bright chap, why do you want everyone to hand it on a plate for you, read the advice and make a decision yourself.

There must be 40 diferent ways to set up, but you have to be happy with it!

Bear,

It's scary when you first start to make the move to WFP; I remember this forum was tortured with many of your posts asking similar questions when you were about to embark on WFP; or have you forgotten about them?

Anyway, Roger has asked me about poles.

He's after a light pole, capable of doing ground and first floor; on a budget.

I recommended the Unger Pole. It's cheap and it's definately lighter than fibre-glass.

Did I advise correctly?
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: AuRavelling79 on March 05, 2007, 05:47:20 pm: Squeaky - don't forget to notify your customers very soon - do it in writing (don't just turn up) and include all the reasons - H&S is your focus point and if you're brave enough tell'em the price is going up!

And be positive - frames are included - nice and shiny etc.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Tosh on March 05, 2007, 06:02:15 pm: Bear,

That's awfull! Did you really push that through your customer's letter boxes?

How many did you lose?
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: chris@c.m.s on March 05, 2007, 06:20:49 pm: This is what I use a slightly altered version of what was on here.
CMS WINDOW CLEANING

The Water Fed Pole System

Dear Customer,

Your upstairs windows will be cleaned shortly using a method that will soon become the industry standard – The Water Fed Pole System
The system uses extendable poles and 100% pure water that has been purified through reverse osmosis & de-ionization vessels.

We are now using this technology for a number of reasons:

1). BETTER CLEANING RESULTS – The major advantage of pure water is that it absorbs large amounts of dirt from your windows. The process involves brushing your windows clean with pure water; as such they will be left wet and will need time to dry naturally. This may be a bit disconcerting at first, as obviously this is not what our customers are used to. However, once dry your windows WILL be clean and smear free.

2). HEALTH & SAFETY – A new legislation from Europe now limits the use of ladders. The law now states that ladders can only be used when all viable alternatives have been considered, and now The Water Fed Pole System is seen as a safer and more viable alternative for window cleaning.

3). ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY – Only pure water is used, eliminating the need for detergents and chemicals.

4). IMPROVED SERVICE – We can now reach with ease previously inaccessible aspects of your property. Hard to reach windows above conservatory’s, Third floor windows, skylights, etc…

Please note that if your windows have been cleaned in the past using detergents or chemicals it may take 2 or 3 visits using our Water Fed Pole System to remove soapy residue, this may result in minor spotting on your windows. However please be assured that once this is cleared you will be more than happy with the results.

My aim is to continue to provide a high level of service. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or concerns regarding the above or any other aspect of our services.
Thanks Chris.

Tel
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Moderator David@stives on March 05, 2007, 06:24:59 pm: I wonder where you got that from
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Tosh on March 05, 2007, 06:27:42 pm: This is awful!

Quote from: Sunshine Cleaning (Bear) on March 05, 2007, 05:58:53 pm
Sample Letter

Dear Customer

We are pleased to inform all our clients of some important changes we have made to our business.

In April 2005, ... [etc]

It is really bad. Sorry, Bear, but it is.

In the second and third paragraphs of your document, you cite 'this new law' THREE times.

It's not a law; it's a regulation; (I'm sure there's a difference), but my point here is that repetitive wording is naff; and I haven't went through the rest of the text either. I bet there's more!

I'm not giving you a digging; you just obviously haven't worked in a field where written communication has been required. Where-as I have.

There's plenty of guys here earning far more than me; even though my English is better; so I hope I'm not comming across as arrogant.

I feel a bit naff for pointing it out.

PS.

I plaguarised David of St Ives's letter of explanation; and just corrected his spelling mistakes! ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: AuRavelling79 on March 05, 2007, 06:27:51 pm: Quote from: Tosh on March 05, 2007, 06:02:15 pm
Bear,

That's awfull! Did you really push that through your customer's letter boxes?

How many did you lose?

(In best Dick Emery voice) Tosh, you are awful - but we like you!
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: chris@c.m.s on March 05, 2007, 06:29:51 pm: All credit for the above to David ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: chris@c.m.s on March 05, 2007, 06:34:16 pm: Quote from: Tosh on March 05, 2007, 06:27:42 pm
I haven't went through the rest of the text either. I bet there's more!

Classic Tosh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Tosh on March 05, 2007, 06:49:28 pm: Quote from: chris@c.m.s on March 05, 2007, 06:34:16 pm
Quote from: Tosh on March 05, 2007, 06:27:42 pm
I haven't went through the rest of the text either. I bet there's more!

Classic Tosh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I can't see the humour?

A few years ago I completed a 13 week 'creative writing course' (I feel embarrassed admitting to this), and the 'teacher/instructor/Hitler used to go through our lines of text, line-by-line, asking how we could improve each word, phrase, or sentance.

Prior to that, written communication was a regular feature of my daily bread.

Now I know this is a window cleaning forum, and I know my own spelling and grammar isn't always the best, but I think when we push things through our customer's letter boxes - it should be at least correct.

Given that we have this forum; we haven't really got an excuse for getting it wrong.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: AuRavelling79 on March 05, 2007, 06:56:32 pm: Tosh - when you mean to be funny you're really funny.

But, when you're funny without realising it you're "pant-wettingly" hilarious!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 05, 2007, 07:00:38 pm: Bear, the point is that I don't know exactly what I need and where to get it.
You can't just assume people understand wfp.
I hadn't a clue what it needed.

Ian's just made me a list of parts, but I've still got to find the best type from the cheapest place.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Tosh on March 05, 2007, 07:33:41 pm: Quote from: Malc(G)old on March 05, 2007, 06:56:32 pm
Tosh - when you mean to be funny you're really funny.

But, when you're funny without realising it you're "pant-wettingly" hilarious!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I only live over the 'bridge' from you, if you ever want to call in for a cup-of-tea.

I'm sure you'll be disapointed; but not with the tea! ;D
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 05, 2007, 08:18:00 pm: I think you've missed a few days here Bear!

I'm getting a van mount, 250 or 400 litres, the water is taken care of, all I need is the Pole, brush, pump...etc...etc.

Just trying to find the best single supplier, not lots of places.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Russell Macdonald on March 05, 2007, 08:24:28 pm: Quote from: Squeaky Clean. on March 05, 2007, 08:18:00 pm
I think you've missed a few days here Bear!

I'm getting a van mount, 250 or 400 litres, the water is taken care of, all I need is the Pole, brush, pump...etc...etc.

Just trying to find the best single supplier, not lots of places.

Rog.

Go for the 400ltr tank, it keeps your options open & remember you dont have to fill her right up. You will have days when 250ltrs wont be enough.

Macc
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Pj on March 05, 2007, 08:26:04 pm: This topic....

read by nearly a thousand, almost 100 posts, offers of free kit no-one has had since I've been on here!

Just wait till he gets going and gets a few spots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 05, 2007, 09:13:20 pm: That's two I was going to try.
Maybe Purefreedom too.

Matt, you're right. Other people have recommended 400L too.
As long as it will fit in a standard old van like an Escort or Astra.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Paul Coleman on March 06, 2007, 05:50:14 am: Quote from: Squeaky Clean. on March 05, 2007, 09:13:20 pm
That's two I was going to try.
Maybe Purefreedom too.

Matt, you're right. Other people have recommended 400L too.
As long as it will fit in a standard old van like an Escort or Astra.

I'm glad you are getting it sorted Rog and I hope that your physical condition improves soon.
In the first few weeks, you may feel regrets at making the change when first cleans don't come up as well as you would like and when custies start grumbling. I felt like throwing it in a few times in the first few months after switching. I'm so glad I didn't.
Those first cleans will probably slow you down as it is better (IMO) to go around them twice to clear up after the muck has come down from the frame tops.
Hope it goes well for you.
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Sir Squeaky on March 06, 2007, 09:12:12 am: I'm aware it will be hard to start with Shiner. :-\

The good thing is, I've been sat at home earning nothing for nearly three weeks now, so when I do go back it'll be good to earn any money!

Yes, I could do £100 and more before, but a £60 day would feel like a windfall now!
Title: Re: Pricing up WFP.
Post by: Russell Macdonald on March 06, 2007, 09:16:40 am: Quote from: Squeaky Clean. on March 06, 2007, 09:12:12 am
I'm aware it will be hard to start with Shiner. :-\

The good thing is, I've been sat at home earning nothing for nearly three weeks now, so when I do go back it'll be good to earn any money!

Yes, I could do £100 and more before, but a £60 day would feel like a windfall now!

It wont be long before you do that every day Rog ;D.

In 16 months my work has been completed every week, unheard of when i was trad.

Its coming your way ;)

Macc