Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: macmac on February 15, 2007, 07:31:33 pm
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Please ignore this ill-conceived, ramble of a post by myself (the as**ole here) & accept my full & sincere apologies for not engaging my brain before opening my mouth, something i dont normally do but hey, we all have bad days! :-[ :-[
tony
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Ive converted 3/4 of my round to wfp useing gazzas brushes I got them about 6 months ago and they have been in use since, I havent had one customer complaint, yep the brush is cheap but its also effective IMO of course :)
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MacMac, I haven't seen Gaza's brush, what I can say is you can do an excellent job with a floor brush. I have 3 Vikan brushes, but my favourite brush at the moment is the new house broom from Asda. I fitted it with jets over the weekend and it's the dogs.
You can pay silly money for brushes that would work no better. In the world of WFP, you don't always get what you paid for. WFP brushes have not been scientifically designed for the job. Even the big money brushes are usually one mans idea of what one should be like.
Until a lot of money has been spent, on objective research and development,
I will continue to experiment for myself. Dai
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Hi Tony,
i`m sorry it wasn`t to your expectation or liking,i would have gladly given you a refund if you had`nt binned it,yes i can supply a swivel adapter that can fit most brushes,
Gaz
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Gaz
no refund mate, i totaly appreciate the work you put into this. the swivel- you're a genius. as for the brush- the rest of you are totaly deluded as to the extent that its funny. ;D ;D
tony
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Gaz
no refund mate, i totaly appreciate the work you put into this. the swivel- you're a genius. as for the brush- the rest of you are totaly deluded as to the extent that its funny. ;D ;D
tony
Hi Tony,it`s ok no problemo i don`t expect to please everyone but nearly all that have had the swivel brush are more than pleased so the majority rules the minority,if you are looking for a "better brush" with a swivel neck i have them,
Gaz
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what do you call a better brush?
Can you turn a vikan into a swivel?
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what do you call a better brush?
Can you turn a vikan into a swivel?
Hi Matt,the swivel brush is a different brush that the others i supply,
the brush you have orderd is a better brush and it can be fitted with a swivel adapter,
Gaz
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Hi all,Im confused. :(
What do you mean by a swivel brush and how does this benefit wfping. ???
Thanks in advance
Pete
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Gaz,
Can I fit a swivel adapter to my vikan rectangular brush?
Can you email me a pic of the brush I have orderd and a pic of the swivel brush.
Cheers,
Matt
P.S. got your email today :'( :'( :'(
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Gaz,
Can I fit a swivel adapter to my vikan rectangular brush?
Can you email me a pic of the brush I have orderd and a pic of the swivel brush.
Cheers,
Matt
P.S. got your email today :'( :'( :'(
Hi Matt,yes you can fit the swivel adapter to your vikan it`s not the same swivel as on the actual `swivel` brush but it works the same,didn`t i send you a pic of the swivel adapter on the yellow brush that i use?
yes i know the email,sad is`nt it what a bunch of wallys can`t get the order right,
Gaz
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Cant find them in my email gaz?
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Cant find them in my email gaz?
Ok matt,i`ll email them now mate,
Gaz
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Hi Jeff,i totally agree with you (well i will won`t i ;D),i am no professional manufacturer but i think what i have come up with has helped so may others out,if i had the capital i would go into production with a better build quality but as the majority seem to be satisfied theres no need anyway,
Gaz
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You should go on the dragons den!
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You should go on the dragons den!
Not if Tony MacMac was on there ;D lol ;D,he`d slaughter me ;D
Gaz
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can you post a pic of just the swivel?
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I had a swivel brush and thought it was great, then I had a non swivel type but it was the same brush off my mate who didn't like it. I know why, the bristles were all bent down and wouldn't splay. I know how good they can be, but this one really was un useable cos off the way the bristles all pointed down slightly. I'm guessing the complainer may have got a dud one like my mate. I still have it and somewhere and just started wondeing if the bristles could be straightened somehow, I squashing it under a brick over night when I first had it but it did no good. It did kind of put me off.
But that first swivle was sooo good. It splayed nice, was soft but sharp enough to get the bird poo off, but the next one was sooo bad.
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I had a swivel brush and thought it was great, then I had a non swivel type but it was the same brush off my mate who didn't like it. I know why, the bristles were all bent down and wouldn't splay. I know how good they can be, but this one really was un useable cos off the way the bristles all pointed down slightly. I'm guessing the complainer may have got a dud one like my mate. I still have it and somewhere and just started wondeing if the bristles could be straightened somehow, I squashing it under a brick over night when I first had it but it did no good. It did kind of put me off.
But that first swivle was sooo good. It splayed nice, was soft but sharp enough to get the bird poo off, but the next one was sooo bad.
I think Gaz has some instructions, useing boiling water to help you out on this one.
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I know what you mean about the bristles,i don`t actually "make" the brushes,i have complained a few times about the bristles,they are made in massive bulk and can sometimes lack in bristles,some have perfect bristles and some are`nt,it is only on that particular brush that there has been a problem,the rest of the different brushes have been fine,
Gaz
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sorry i could not resist this gaz, ;D
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/joeuk_bucket/th_gaz.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/joeuk_bucket/?action=view¤t=gaz.flv)
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Thanks Jo,
i`ll try to sort out that video clip soon we spoke about,
Gaz ;)
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i received my new gaz swivel brush yesterday, ABSOLUTE SH*TE the brush, i hate to say it 'cos i've spoken to gaz & he seems a genuine bloke, but this is the worst brush i have ever come accross. its a broom head!!! total & utter waste of time for wfp. flow through the brush is crap, the brisstles dont even contact the glass in the center of the brush, there's no flow through the middle or the edges either! All the components used are the cheapest of the cheap. i dont know if i'm missing something here as i've heard lots of good reports on these brushes on this very forum, but it's so bad its actualy funny. i was stood there today p*ssing myself laughing at this brush, even more so after using it. I had big expectations of this brush but i'm sorry to say the brush is in the bin!!
Gaz- you should try double glazing sales ;D ;D ;D
on the up-side- the swivel part is the best invention for wfp of all time!! Gaz if i were you mate i'd patent it, what a cracking invention you have there!! that swivel with a rectangular vikan or facelift brush & you'd be a millionaire!
p.s. do you do a better (real/proper) brush for the swivel?
tony
Tony can you tell me what brush you use, and why you found a need to look for a different brush,was it Price, style,for a partic job
, weight.
Would be interested to know as i have only used 2 typs of brushes myself.
Cheers Jeff
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WOW what a debate.
first of all- no disrespect to gaz or anyone who uses his brushes (i know he does many different kinds). but take my points- these are in respect of the brush i received. as for the poster who suggested i was very childish, i am a proffesional window cleaner, i dont use or put up with sub-standard crap! i charge people good money & only use the best equipment.
1. the bristles were so soft they splayed leaving a great gap in the middle even with the lightest pressure.
2. the bristles were totaly non-uniform (a random array of bristle tips pointing in all directions) the left hand side of the brush protruded twice as far as the right side.
3. the water flow through the brush wasn't good, none in the middle & none at the edges, i.e pushing the brush up & down gave two seperate lines of water spread, ok on big windows as you can over-lap but no good on smaller ones.
4. one jet squirted & one jet dripped, took pipe off, blew them etc. no difference.plus the pipe would very easily just pop off the sub-standard T-connector without even trying.
5. using it on windows i've been doing for 2+ years with no probs (sash-gorgian among others) didn't give good enough results & this was realy trying as i wanted the brush to work so much just for the swivel purposes.
6. after all the above you actualy want me to still use it when i can buy a proffessional one that works for me for the same money?? i dont care if its a broom or not, thats not the point, if it worked it wouldn't matter, if this brush was from a retailer i would have been on the phone giving them a proper earfull. :o :o
tony
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Tony can you tell me what brush you use, and why you found a need to look for a different brush,was it Price, style,for a partic job
, weight.
Would be interested to know as i have only used 2 typs of brushes myself.
Cheers Jeff
i currently use a facelift & a vikan rectangular, i ordered the gaz brush simply because i read so many good reports about them on here. i thought they must be something special, different, but as you've gathered the one i got wasn't & never in a million years would have been for me. :P
tony
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Tony,as i have already offerd a full refund is on it`s way to you i can`t be any fairer than that it`s up to you weather you accept it or not and weather you have binned the brush it does`nt matter,
Gaz
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just to add to this
i'm not suggesting i've been ripped off here, the brush wasn't expensive.for the work gaz put into it, it was a fair price.i know that i employ a different technique for wfp than most people on here. maybe my expectations were too high but this brush is never going to do a perfect job for me & a perfect job is all i will settle for.
tony
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just to add to this
i'm not suggesting i've been ripped off here, the brush wasn't expensive.for the work gaz put into it, it was a fair price.i know that i employ a different technique for wfp than most people on here. maybe my expectations were too high but this brush is never going to do a perfect job for me & a perfect job is all i will settle for.
tony
Then why be so rude then?,i don`t mind constructive critisisam it helps but your approach was out of order,
Gaz
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Tony,as i have already offerd a full refund is on it`s way to you i can`t be any fairer than that it`s up to you weather you accept it or not and weather you have binned the brush it does`nt matter,
Gaz
gaz
please dont send a refund mate, i'm not peaved or angry, this brush obviousley works for many people, just not me. i chose to buy it, you were good enough to make & send it. i actualy found it funny that so many people use & approve of it. i must be the odd one out here gaz, maybe i got a dud. :D
tony
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Tony can you tell me what brush you use, and why you found a need to look for a different brush,was it Price, style,for a partic job
, weight.
Would be interested to know as i have only used 2 typs of brushes myself.
Cheers Jeff
i currently use a facelift & a vikan rectangular, i ordered the gaz brush simply because i read so many good reports about them on here. i thought they must be something special, different, but as you've gathered the one i got wasn't & never in a million years would have been for me. :P
tony
Are you saying you got complaints from this brush?
Jeff .
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Tony,as i have already offerd a full refund is on it`s way to you i can`t be any fairer than that it`s up to you weather you accept it or not and weather you have binned the brush it does`nt matter,
Gaz
gaz
please dont send a refund mate, i'm not peaved or angry, this brush obviousley works for many people, just not me. i chose to buy it, you were good enough to make & send it. i actualy found it funny that so many people use & approve of it. i must be the odd one out here gaz, maybe i got a dud. :D
tony
OK Tony,like i said critisisam helps(the right approach though),the last batch of brushes have had bristle problems and i have told my supplier,as for the components fitted i will be fitting better,i will be looking to improve the brush as much as i can as i and many others think it`s such a useful tool,
Gaz
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i'm not beeing rude gaz, just honest, i know your not a big manufacturer or anything just a one man band. like i said, i've obviousley expected too much. but- if this brush had have come from a wfp retailer/supplier then you would have seen proper rude. :o
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Tony you says you are not peaved,angry or being rude?
have you read your first post :o
Gaz
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having supplied Vikan, Salmon, Tucker and used a few Ionics (dual trim - c, rap) I can honestly say Gaz's brushes are the best by far, I change the nozzles and tubing as I fit fan sprays but other than that they are the best, macmac I can't see the problem with no contact in the middle as when you move the brush the outer bristles come into contact with all the glass anyway.
what brushes have you been using?
seriously - you may have got a dude as far as the bristles are concerned but 99% of CIU can't be wrong
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having supplied Vikan, Salmon, Tucker and used a few Ionics (dual trim - c, rap) I can honestly say Gaz's brushes are the best by far, I change the nozzles and tubing as I fit fan sprays but other than that they are the best, macmac I can't see the problem with no contact in the middle as when you move the brush the outer bristles come into contact with all the glass anyway.
what brushes have you been using?
seriously - you may have got a dude as far as the bristles are concerned but 99% of CIU can't be wrong
so you can see why i was so supprised/bewildered to use this brush & find it so bad. no contact in the middle may not be so bad if that was the only problem but added to the rest there's no point, i have better brushes to start with. i'm not going to skirt round problems with a brush when there's no point. i'm only beeing honest here jm, i can only assume that i've got a dud. ???
tony
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you must have because I use Gaz's brushes and to be honest I love them, very light, bristles are just the right density, much better than Vikan, way better than Ionics and just as good as Tucker.
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So the conclusuion to this is that there has been 1 dud speaks for its self really,and as to all the positive replies thanks guys,
Gaz
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Now that's settled - Gaz tell me about the swivel thing - what it does and how I would benefit from it.
Piccy if poss? How much?
Thanks.
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Now that's settled - Gaz tell me about the swivel thing - what it does and how I would benefit from it.
Piccy if poss? How much?
Thanks.
Hi Malc,the swivel is available in 2 choices the 1st is a swivel brush that has a swivel neck fitted to it as part of the brush the 2nd is a removable adapter that can be added to any brush and removable,the benefits are that the brush has now a swivel/pivot action left and right so you can push the brush onto the window straight while reaching over conservatorys, side extensions or cars in the way etc,
Gaz
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Hi Malc, imagine if cars had no steering wheels, you can only go back and forward, its pretty boring, kinda like a train - now someone (GAZ) comes along and invents the steering wheel, WOW the possibilities are endless! You can go round 'corners' and pull handbrake turns and show off!! Yeah, the swivel is pretty good stuff, go for the fixed one, I'm not overly fussed on the adapter - although it is freeing up as time passes.
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I have tried uploading pics but my computer is palying up again error message keeps appearing when i try,
Jonny,i use both brushes swivel brush and a brush with the adapter fitted,i do find the swivel brush is lighter and moves more freely but as you say the adapter does start to free up the more you use it and then you have the benefit of adding it to any brush,
yes i came up with the idea of using a swivel brush and many that have had them from me commented on how much they like them and appreciate them for how easy it has made some of their work ;)
Gaz
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ps Gaz I forgot all about sending another cheque!! my mistake - I'm going down the road to post it in 10mins, recorded delivery.
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ps Gaz I forgot all about sending another cheque!! my mistake - I'm going down the road to post it in 10mins, recorded delivery.
No problem Jonny,
Gaz ;)
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would you prefer it by bank transfer?
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would you prefer it by bank transfer?
Jonny can you phone me,
Gaz
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I have one of Gaz's swivel brushes,and I can't believe how useful it is.
Aswell as being easier to reach windows over conservatorys ect,it almost cuts out having to use a minipole, because you can swing the pole to the side of you instead of jamming it in to the ground or something else behind you.
And Gaz if you read this can I order another brush,one of your good one's of course ;)
Can you email me info,cheers(email is in profile)
Tim
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I have one of Gaz's swivel brushes,and I can't believe how useful it is.
Aswell as being easier to reach windows over conservatorys ect,it almost cuts out having to use a minipole, because you can swing the pole to the side of you instead of jamming it in to the ground or something else behind you.
And Gaz if you read this can I order another brush,one of your good one's of course ;)
Can you email me info,cheers(email is in profile)
Tim
Thanks Tim,
email sent,
Gaz ;)
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Brushes are one of 'those' subjects that everyone has their opinion on. I purchased one of Gaz's brushes myself about a year ago. I tried it out and did not get on with it at all, so I stopped using it. Having read all of these posts I realise that at least there is one other person who feels the same.
For those who like them though it is just as well that they are available.
For the record what is the difference between your brushes Gaz and Salmon brushes? They both look the same are they? ( I don't like Salmon brushes either!!)
Having said the above, an experienced WFP'er could probably clean a window well with any brush on the market. You just get your own favourite 'feeling' brush and tend to stick with it.
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Alex,the brushes are salmon i have tried and tested a few and supply the right ones,as you say each to their own i know many that hate vikan and love salmon and vise-versa,it can also go for anything,poles,pumps,filters,hoses,connectors etc,so not everyone can be happy with the same thing,
Gaz
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I have one of Gaz's swivel brushes,and I can't believe how useful it is.
Aswell as being easier to reach windows over conservatorys ect,it almost cuts out having to use a minipole, because you can swing the pole to the side of you instead of jamming it in to the ground or something else behind you.
And Gaz if you read this can I order another brush,one of your good one's of course ;)
Can you email me info,cheers(email is in profile)
Tim
i agree, if you read the post carefuly its not the swivel i dont like as that is superb, but the brush thats attatched to it.
tony
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You can convert any brush to swivel.
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thats better. ;D ;D ;D
tony
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Well done Tony a pat on the back i think, ;)
Gaz