Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on February 14, 2007, 06:57:28 pm
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hi all
i have a bit of a problem i have two pumps in the van one is a booster pump for the ro and the other is a pole pump...
problem how do i charge these up at the same time as i cant run both off the one battery as the power drops when both pumps are on and they slow down drastically.
can anyone roughly give me an idea as to wire this up?
shawn
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use your van battery and get a split charge relay fitted by an auto electrician to a second (leisure) battery in the back of the van. Every time you start the van and its running it charges up the leisure battery -works a treat for me and I use two pumps (both for poles)
Russ
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i sell split charge system on line essentiallypure.co.uk comes with fitting instruction
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i have a split relay but it was wired up working ,,, but the main current flow from the alternator melted the fuse and its holder???
any ideas why?
shawn
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i dont see a relay switch on your webpage
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its under eco flow section
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i have a split relay but it was wired up working ,,, but the main current flow from the alternator melted the fuse and its holder???
any ideas why?
shawn
Your fuse should have blown well before anything like this happened, in your case it sounds like a to higher rated fuse,was fitted? What size fuse was fitted. If your battery was faulty then the current demanded by it could have also caused the fault, but as I said the fuse should have blown, if you have just one pump drawing say 7.5 amp then a 10 amp fuse would be the right size to use.
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how are these installed?
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sair, if you don't mind me asking - why are your split relay chargers so expensive? I'm not trying tobe smart I would just like to know why.
Also where's this eco-flow controller you promised me a while back?? ;)
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how are these installed?
There are many different models with different amounts of cables, you would just have to buy one, and either follow the instructions supplied, or ask the guy's on here how to fit it. if you do it this way, photo's and a scan of your instructions is always a help.
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i was using a 30 amp fuse?
shawn
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hi guys once again ,,
what bateries do you all use as i have 95amph heavy duty van battery ,but i was wondering wether a leisure battery is better . the one i am using is new only 1 month old and cost me £100.
but its not holding charge not sure wether i have damaged it using it for wfp
any ideas also any pics of you charging circuits or power setups will be helpful .
shawn
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JM23 email me your address via e amil and ill send you one over and give you a price for 10 of at a time if you like
there will be a new released eco flow in a month or so
the split charge is that price as it comes with a pritty digital display so you can moniter the condistion of your batterey and also there is a light which comes on to tell you that the relay switch is working and a charge is being send to the lesuire batterey.
purewatersales@tiscali.co.uk
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hi tony
do you guys use two batteries or one to run you the pole pump and the booster pump.
also how good are those 150 psi pumps and whats the amp draw on them
shawn
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hi guys once again ,,
what bateries do you all use as i have 95amph heavy duty van battery ,but i was wondering wether a leisure battery is better . the one i am using is new only 1 month old and cost me £100.
but its not holding charge not sure wether i have damaged it using it for wfp
any ideas also any pics of you charging circuits or power setups will be helpful .
shawn
Car/van batteries are not Recommended for constant deep cycling and can be damaged by doing this? use the leisure battery for constant deep cycle use.
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also the split relay just melted WHATS GOING ON????
any ideas guys ...
shawn
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also the split relay just melted WHATS GOING ON????
any ideas guys ...
shawn
Do you still have that 30 amp fuse in it??
some thing? may even be a faulty battery, drawing to much current, you could have also damaged the relay when your fuse originally melted.
As the fault lies within the fuse and relay area, then you can probably rule out a faulty alternator, other wise you would be having the same problems in your vans electrics.
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hi jef
van electrica are fine ...the volton combi relay i am using is a relay which auto switches on the charge on the batteries only when the van has started so as not to draw current back all the charging seems to be working fine ie the different voltages and switching is working.
its just the relay melted.
its wired cos when iused a thinner wire the wire got hit and fuse melted then put a thicker wire in and the relaydecided to melt.
i know its simple for me to buy another relay like the one tony showed but the thing is whats stopping that one from doing the same.
i went to a auto electrician and he want 200 to wire up the lot thats wit my own battery and relay?
so thats a no no
sshawn
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hi jef
van electrica are fine ...the volton combi relay i am using is a relay which auto switches on the charge on the batteries only when the van has started so as not to draw current back all the charging seems to be working fine ie the different voltages and switching is working.
its just the relay melted.
its wired cos when iused a thinner wire the wire got hit and fuse melted then put a thicker wire in and the relaydecided to melt.
i know its simple for me to buy another relay like the one tony showed but the thing is whats stopping that one from doing the same.
i went to a auto electrician and he want 200 to wire up the lot thats wit my own battery and relay?
so thats a no no
sshawn
Shawn as I said if your van electrics are fine, then some thing is pulling to much current through the wire, and by adding a thicker wire is just like adding a larger fuse, some thing is going to burn or catch fire, reading what your saying I would suspect you have a faulty battery, take your battery and get it tested, should only cost a couple of quid and some places do it free. or if you have a good spare put this on and see if every thing runs fine but keep a very close eye on it.
I strongly recommend you get it all tested.
£200 is way over the top, I'm sure the guy's on here don't pay any thing near that price.
Tips: if you suspect an electrical fault, do not increase cable or fuse sizes, this can lead to fires.
Does the wire between the battery and the relay get hot?(your working battery not your van battery) if yes then this is a sure sign of a faulty battery drawing to much current. if the answer is no, then the fault lies in the relay it self.
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yes it is getting hot , the battery is only a few weeks old though and cost me £100 and i dont have the reciept anymore?
shawn
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What a bummer, won't the guy reconise you? you could take it back to him and ask him to do a test on it for you, just tell him you only bought it from him a few weeks ago.
because there should be a warranty with your battery they should have it on computer. give it a try, £100 is a lot to throw away, its no skin of his nose it won't cost him a penny.
Tip ;D Always keep your reciepts
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is a leisure battery a better option then ?
shawn
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Most Defiantly
They are made for deep cycling,and this is what we do to batteries.
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yes it is getting hot , the battery is only a few weeks old though and cost me £100 and i dont have the reciept anymore?
shawn
If you don't have the receipt, how can you claim it through the business as a legitimate expense?
As jeff1 said - ALWAYS keep receipts. Both for the business and personal, and you need to keep them for the current tax year plus the six previous along with your books. Like it or not, you have to prove all income and expenditure if you're self-employed.
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Shawn, how come you have such a system?
You seem to be very different to everyone else, do you take a tank of unpurified water with you and process it as you use it?
Most of us will have pure water in out tank, then up to two poles can be powered off a single battery.
I'd be interested to know why you have such a different system to everyone else!
And yes! Leisure batteries all the way, car batteries are not designed for constant draw...
Ian
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hi mate
i have a 4040 ro / 20 inch pre filters and a di , all in the van and i process the water from the tap into the van tank , then up the pole .
the pump is to boost water production but its crap as i only get about 2ltrs a minute ..
shawn
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Wouldn't you be far better to connect your household water supply direct to your R/O and fill your holding tank with pure water?
It would only take a a few hours to fill up a 1000l IBC tank, particularly with a 4040 R/) system.
This way you do not have to worry about putting such high demand on your batteries, in particular for the water production side of things.
And a decent leisure battery would supply all your demands for up to 2 poles at a time then.
Or is there a reason why you cannot do it this way (or from a static tank via a transfer pump in your garden or garage)?
Your method seems an extraordinarily difficult way of going about things.
Ian
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hi mate
i have no garden and no parking at my place as the nearest space is 300 yards away.
and also no outside tap.
so i have a vehicle based ro so as to fill up on site
shawn
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Ah, all becomes clear now....I thought there had to be a very good reason for you having to do things the way you have....
Ian