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Title: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 07:49:07 pm: The first pic is of my van before i stripped it all out.........
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 07:51:15 pm: The next 2 pics are after i Painted the floor...
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 07:53:00 pm: Ill be fitting the tank in the morning.........

Bazz...
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Post by: Toff on January 18, 2007, 07:53:52 pm: What did you paint the floor with ?
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 07:55:15 pm: I used Protecta-Kote

Bazz...
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 08:36:46 pm: Where do you guys think is the best place in my van to mount my 4040RO..

Bazz...
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Post by: Clear Vision on January 18, 2007, 08:39:23 pm: What van is it? Vanette?

were/are you a car cleaner?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: JM123 on January 18, 2007, 08:41:35 pm: I would mount the ro on the bulkhead below the pole tubes. Keeps it out of the way, nice and safe. What size tank you putting in there??
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 08:42:01 pm: Its a Citroen Dispatch 2L HDI...
I used to clean the outsides of caravans which was 30% of my work and w/c the rest..

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 08:43:13 pm: JM123 ..its a 650L flat tank
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Post by: Clear Vision on January 18, 2007, 08:43:20 pm: Thanks,

I would agree with JM123 and mount it up on the bulkhead
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Post by: JM123 on January 18, 2007, 08:45:56 pm: Bazz, make sure you show us all the pics when you have finished, can't wait to see them.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: matt on January 18, 2007, 08:48:21 pm: its looking nice

a nice picture and write up on the DIY site will help many others :) oh and your name will be famous ( for 5 mins anyways ;))
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 08:58:23 pm: Famous.. 8)
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 09:06:38 pm: I think i might have a major problem fitting the tank coz one of the metal brackets will be right on the wheel arch so i dont know how im going to get round that.
The bracket is the shape of a top hat and its the bit at the bottom thats going to be the problem..

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any ideas

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 18, 2007, 09:07:40 pm: that didnt work
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 19, 2007, 02:36:30 pm: Picking up my 650ltr tank this weekend and am hoping to do the same with a dispatch so will watch your progress with interest. I'm not fitting an ro in the van though.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 19, 2007, 05:49:24 pm: bazzy my 650 flat tank is in a dispatch no problems
p.m. me and I will send you pics
Russ
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 19, 2007, 07:54:57 pm: Tank all fitted..

;D
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 19, 2007, 07:57:55 pm: I couldnt fit the 4040ro on the bulk head coz on the driver side of the bulk head it sticks out to much so i put it on the metal tank strap..
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: matt on January 19, 2007, 08:15:03 pm: very posh :)
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 19, 2007, 08:16:47 pm: Thanks Matt... but ive got loads more to do yet..

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: cybersye on January 19, 2007, 08:38:19 pm: well done bazz
Although I have my diy van set up and altered it as I've learnt more, I'm sure the pics your posting will help newbies to wfp and setting up a van loads.
keep posting ;)
simon
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 19, 2007, 08:40:44 pm: Cheers Simon... ;D

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 19, 2007, 08:45:54 pm: bazzy are you going to put any metal straps front to back of the tank??
your pics show two straps that go side to side and it looks good but I would be concerned that there is nothing securing the tank front to back?
hope that makes sense!!
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 19, 2007, 08:48:48 pm: Russ...I know what you mean and i am abit worried about that but ive no idea where to get one that big apart from getting it made.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 19, 2007, 08:56:20 pm: the way mine is fitted I have one side to side (same as your two)
and one front to back.
I bought mine as a fitting kit specifically for the tank -but feel the money I paid was well OTT.
when mine was fitted by my mechanic we went to a small steel fabricators to make up some thick plates for top and bottom of the metal straps.
I gave him £10 (drink) for the 8 plates and he was happy as larry.
When he brought them down to us he asked who made the metal straps as he could knock them up no problem for £20.
All he needed were the dims and job done!
I paid around £150 for the 'fitting kit' but got 8 free bolts!!
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 19, 2007, 08:59:46 pm: Err Baz I was going to say the same - in a front end smash it looks like your tank will shoot through the bands! I was thinking of having a box section welded to fit around the base,bolted to the floor then strap the tank to that? Keep up the work!
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: mike richardson on January 19, 2007, 09:03:27 pm: i made my own from steel bar bent to shape in a vice painted with hammerite cost about £15 for two bolts were about £3 plates were made out af metal plate cast £4 cheaper than fitting kit!
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 19, 2007, 09:05:21 pm: Russ, I've kept your pics, do you know what your bands are made from and what sort of thickness they are? Did you say that was a 650ltr tank?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 19, 2007, 09:05:40 pm: Russ...do you have any pics of yours.
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Post by: Davew on January 19, 2007, 09:17:08 pm: Russ, hope you don't mind I sent Bazzy one of the pics you gave me.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 19, 2007, 09:21:39 pm: not a great pic but you can see the strap side to side and the other front to backof the tank (if you look closely).you can also see the plates it is sitting on.
two small plates on the top and two larger plates underneath the chasis.
yes it is a 650 tank .
not sure on thickness of straps
will measure them tomorrow if you want to know ?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 19, 2007, 09:23:03 pm: no probs was probably this one
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 19, 2007, 09:25:59 pm: Just thinking of ways of reducing the amount of metal and weight to secure my tank. Looked at someones pressure washer tank the other day and he only had it in a wooden base frame (scarey).
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 19, 2007, 09:28:27 pm: Yep thats the one Russ, what happens to the hoses after they go through the floor?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 19, 2007, 09:39:07 pm: the hoses are cable tied to the chasis under the van and run out to the towing hook just under rear bumper.
they are cable tied to the tow hook and I have hozelock connectors so I can pull the hosereels out of van connect up ,lock van and work away .
hope that helps.
the pics I have are not great as when they were taken I had just fitted everything up and was as excited as bazzy! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 19, 2007, 09:58:34 pm: Saves cutting the van sides for a port! Just pop some grommits in when it's time to pass on the van - brilliant.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 19, 2007, 11:42:38 pm: Sorry guys i had a power cut :'( thats why i went

Cheers for the pic.....

Russ....I am going to do what you have done but i was thinking of running the hose through where the rubber stoppers are just under the back lights if you know what i mean..

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 19, 2007, 11:49:06 pm: This is what i mean.....
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 20, 2007, 12:30:41 am: Where do you think would be the best place to mount my Varistream & Shurflo Board ?

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 20, 2007, 08:38:08 am: Like the idea of coming through the stoppers Bazzy would look very neat. Is there a connection that can be mounted to give a solid point there, a bit like the waste outlet on a caravan? Sort of like a tap fitting on the back if you see what I mean? Only thing is though will it not get crushed when the door swings open?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 20, 2007, 09:11:22 am: agree with davew those rubber bungs are protection for when the doors are fully open. I would definately not bring the hoses out there- just my opinion mate
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 20, 2007, 07:45:44 pm: Davew & Russ_clark.....your both right about the rubber stops so im thinking of something else.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: john tomkins on January 20, 2007, 10:03:37 pm: I'm following this post for routing hose outside van, although it is for a Berlingo it may relate to yours, pics about half way down post http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=16002.0;all
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 21, 2007, 02:48:44 pm: Russ, how are you filling your van tank? Are you using a submersible? are you filling through the large cap or is there a connection you can use to attatch the trasfer pipe to? Ive just finished putting my static system together it took me a while but seems ok if a little slow.

Dave
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:02:05 pm: Tank vent....
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:05:20 pm: Waste pipe from my 4040ro and i just push it through the floor and connect it to another hose and straight down the drain and when its all done i just pull the waste pipe back through the hole and place the plastic cap back on..
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:06:38 pm: Di tank...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: H h20 on January 21, 2007, 07:09:30 pm: Nice one Bazz,it`s coming together nice,just one thing i may be wrong,but i have seen the DI unit after the pump on other set ups,
Gaz
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:13:02 pm: In the first picture you can see 2 pipes the one on the left going through the floor is my feed pipe and the one on the right going through the floor is the pipe that comes from the Shurflo pump.
The second picture is the ends of the 2 pipes, one for filling my tank and the other will connect to my minibore and away i go..

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:15:40 pm: ...
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:16:59 pm: Pump board..
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:19:07 pm: Gaz... JM123 told me this......(di vessel before pump - means no pressure on the vessel)

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: H h20 on January 21, 2007, 07:20:47 pm: Quote from: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:19:07 pm
Gaz... JM123 told me this......(di vessel before pump - means no pressure on the vessel)

Bazz...

AAAHH,i see i did say i could be wrong,i`m not going disagree with jonny,
Gaz ;)
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:25:47 pm: Gaz.. my TDS after the 4040ro and before the Di is 006

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: H h20 on January 21, 2007, 07:29:10 pm: Quote from: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:25:47 pm
Gaz.. my TDS after the 4040ro and before the Di is 006

Bazz...

Sounds good,i use a merlin,was going to go for a 4040,may still do in the near future,
Gaz
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:33:19 pm: The thing is im on a water meter and i was thinking of making less waste water, i know it will up my tds after the 4040ro but what tds reading do you think will be good enough.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: H h20 on January 21, 2007, 07:36:37 pm: Jonny says you can tweak the 4040 to change the good and waste,he may be able to reccomend how,
Gaz
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 21, 2007, 07:37:15 pm: Davew
I just use a submersible pump thats in my IBC Tank
unscrew top lid of tank in van put the transfer hose in
swith it on and its filled in about 5-10 mins.
The sub pump is a 230v draper cost £33.89 delivered to my door
www.powertoolsuk.co.uk
regards
Russ

Bazzy your set up looks very good mate
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:43:00 pm: Cheers Russ still got more to do..

Gaz i know how to change it but what i need to know is whats the highest tds reading you think i can get away with.
I dont mind if i get through 1 or 2 bags of resin a year.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: H h20 on January 21, 2007, 07:46:03 pm: I`m not that good at how to calculate the tds and resin use,again Jonny is the man,
Gaz ;)
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:48:33 pm: Ok Gaz no problem......

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 21, 2007, 07:53:48 pm: Busy weekend Baz! Looking good, are you happy with the payload? got my 650ltr tank coming tomorrow I'm just a little concerned about the all up weight on a Dispatch 900kg. might need to take two kids to school too! Russ do you dash back to your IBC and submersible when it gets near the top?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 07:59:43 pm: Thanks Davew......... JM123 worked the weight out for me and i was well in the limit ;D

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 21, 2007, 08:06:55 pm: Davew yes I do a dash when I am on my own but normally there are two of us so not too much of a problem.I have considered a shut off type float but I have not really got a clue how that works.
Re the weight I also take two kids to school most mornings (4year old/5 year old) so I never fill to the absolute max unless I know I am working alone and not got school runs to do.
I have been reading these posts re waste water and that is something that bugs me big time.I am also on a meter and have a 300gpd ro .I believe for every 1000ltre IBC tank full I am dumping twicw as much in waste so think my water bill will be substantially more.I do not really know how I can make my set up more efficient i.e. boosters,etc any advice??
cheers Russ
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 08:11:49 pm: Sorry Russ cant help mate as im new to all this aswell..

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 21, 2007, 08:13:48 pm: I started up my IBC yesterday for the first time with a 300 boosted gpd unit just wish the ro water came out as fast as the waste! Luckily I'm not on a meter. I initially felt bad about the waste water. My solution was to drill through my garage wall and into the downpipe outside - now I can't see the waste so I'm less worried about it now ;)
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 08:16:29 pm: Lucky sod...no meter ;D
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Post by: russ_clark on January 21, 2007, 08:21:13 pm: can u help gaz ??? ??? ???
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Post by: Davew on January 21, 2007, 08:21:49 pm: Baz, how fast will your van fill? my static tank's taking ages.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: H h20 on January 21, 2007, 08:22:34 pm: Quote from: russ_clark on January 21, 2007, 08:21:13 pm
can u help gaz ??? ??? ???

Help with what mate,i`ll try,
Gaz
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 21, 2007, 08:27:02 pm: sorry it was a few posts up now

I have been reading these posts re waste water and that is something that bugs me big time.I am also on a meter and have a 300gpd ro .I believe for every 1000ltre IBC tank full I am dumping twicw as much in waste so think my water bill will be substantially more.I do not really know how I can make my set up more efficient i.e. boosters,etc any advice??
cheers Russ
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 08:29:42 pm: Davew... I dont know yet but i will know tomorrow as it will be its first fill so ill let you know then..

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: H h20 on January 21, 2007, 08:30:10 pm: Quote from: russ_clark on January 21, 2007, 08:27:02 pm
sorry it was a few posts up now

I have been reading these posts re waste water and that is something that bugs me big time.I am also on a meter and have a 300gpd ro .I believe for every 1000ltre IBC tank full I am dumping twicw as much in waste so think my water bill will be substantially more.I do not really know how I can make my set up more efficient i.e. boosters,etc any advice??
cheers Russ

Jonny Mills (jm123)is your man,
he can tell you best, ;)
Gaz
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: russ_clark on January 21, 2007, 08:35:59 pm: Ok cheers Gaz would he mind if I emailed him direct do you think??
If not is his email as listed on profile?
Ta Russ ;D
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Clear Vision on January 21, 2007, 09:02:18 pm: First of all I would like to say well done. You have made a very professional looking job of it ;)

Secondly, I may be wrong but the angle of your pump doesn't look flush?
Try and keep it as straight as you can as you could put strain on the motor brushes which could result in your pump wearing out quicker.

I was told that these pumps will prime up to 3 feet. Maybe try and keep your pump lower down and closer to the outlet.

Cheers

Matthew
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 09:10:49 pm: Thanks Mathew... Looks like i might have to move my pump if your right.
Can anyone else confirm this?

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: U.S. wfp USER on January 21, 2007, 09:18:22 pm: Looking GOOD Bazzy!

Question...

What type of hose, size hose is that? What kind/size fittings are those?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 21, 2007, 09:21:35 pm: All i can say its just yellow hose that i got from my local Diy shop and the fittings are hose lock type.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 22, 2007, 04:04:44 pm: Bazz, what fitting is that on your tank outlet (the one with the red valve) I need one for my tank.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 22, 2007, 07:01:32 pm: Davew... I got it from Wicks in the plumbing section i think its a gas fitting but you need to get a reducer for the tank outlet.

It took 5 hours to fill the 650L tank by the way.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 22, 2007, 07:31:37 pm: Five hour fill time seems good to me, about half the time of my static system - just remember to turn it off before bedtime. I'll pop into wicks tomorrow.

Cheers
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Davew on January 26, 2007, 07:22:28 pm: Baz, how's the van doing - all finished? earning you a fortune? can you get your poles inside or will you have to go through the bulkhead?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 26, 2007, 07:52:18 pm: Davew... The van is 95% finished and ive only been doing my house and freinds houses just to get the hang of it.
As for the poles that is a problem it looks like ive got to cut a hole in the metal bulkhead, i didnt want to but ive got no choice.
Still trying to find someone around here to make me a metal bracket to go the other way across the tank but im having no joy all they keep saying is its a small job and we are to busy.
Once thats sorted out and the van graphics are on then its all done. ;D

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: craig1 on January 26, 2007, 09:23:51 pm: its not hard to fabricate your own with some basic diy knowledge hacksaw drill and vice to get a good straight bend im sure you have or have a friend with the required kit and knowledge if you wernt too far away id make one for you mate infact if your stuck contact me with measurements bends etc and hole size ill do the honours for ya
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on January 26, 2007, 09:31:13 pm: Hi Craig... thanks for the offer and i do know how to make one coz i was in the trade for 16 years but trying to get the metal to do it is a joke around here, it just seems like they cant be bothered with the general public.

Again thanks for the offer i might take you up on it if i get no luck here.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: craig1 on January 27, 2007, 10:38:07 am: i know it might seem a bit obvious but what about the scrap yard theres bound to be something to fit your needs bazz what guage lenghth you after i run some dhl franchises so if i could get you a bit it would be free next day service to you theres loads of engineering firms round here i deliver to most of them and clean some so do let me know if your stuck rsgards craig
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 11, 2007, 07:58:49 pm: Sorry for the delay in updates but here they are:

Ive changed it from the van to a static setup........
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 11, 2007, 07:59:49 pm: more..
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Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 11, 2007, 08:00:31 pm: last one
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Post by: Chris Cottrell on February 11, 2007, 08:16:47 pm: someones been on the vino ;D

vv.good m8 looks v smart

Chris
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: steve k on February 11, 2007, 08:19:56 pm: i have a wine glass set up permanently by my ro as the test vessel! ;D
that set up is fantastic mate...the dogs ;)
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 11, 2007, 08:20:35 pm: Thanks Chris... Its been hard work setting it up but i think im there now.. ;D

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Chris Cottrell on February 11, 2007, 08:21:19 pm: how well does the shut off tap work on the end of the clear hose from the static does the sub pump shut off when you shut the valve
I have to gauge mine when its gonna be full an dash back to turn it off at the wall

Ps do you drink it to test then? ;D ;D

Chris
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 11, 2007, 08:28:28 pm: Im not sure if the pump stops when i close the valve i just switch it off at the plug when the tank is full but i will try next time im filling up..
Theres a tds meter next to the glass which i use both for testing the water... thats what i tell the wife anyway ;D

Bazz..
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: steve k on February 11, 2007, 08:59:23 pm: no...your welcome ;D
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Chris Cottrell on February 11, 2007, 09:02:38 pm: Quote from: steve k on February 11, 2007, 08:59:23 pm
no...your welcome ;D

??? ???

No to the pump switching off ?

:-\ :-\

Chris
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: U.S. wfp USER on February 11, 2007, 10:24:46 pm: what is the rejection rate of that 4040 ro?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: steve k on February 12, 2007, 06:53:23 am: I take it that is a DI vessel on top of the tank?
Is that wheelie bin in use at all?
To protect your RO membrane, get another DI vessel and fit it in the hose line before your 2 prefilters. Fill it with water softening resin.
Also get a clear plastic 10" salt vessel with hose in and hose out with basic hoselocks on. This is just bolted to the wall and is independant of the filter system.
After every tank fill, put regeneration salt in the plastic vessel, connect your hose pipe to the inlet side of this vessel and connect the outlet hose of the vessel to the inlet on your softerner vessel...from the outlet on your softerner vessel, connect a length of hose and run to drain.
Turn tap on and the salt is dissolved into the water stream and runs through your softerner vessel removing all the calcium and magnesium that the softerner takes out the water...when the salt vessel has clear water in it, turn off tap and disconnect hoses...reconnecting the hose line to the inlet of your now regenerated softerner vessel.
This ensures all calcium and magnesium are removed from the water before they get near your pre filters and more importantly, your RO membrane.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 12, 2007, 07:18:55 am: Steve k...Where can i get regeneration salt and the water softner resin from..

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: steve k on February 12, 2007, 07:47:08 am: http://wintecs2.chainreactionweb.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=58_53&osCsid=164264fdad0b760186a0dbb05260b1a9
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: pure-water on February 12, 2007, 08:00:12 am: Bazz
Seen your pictures of you IBC Tank and wondered where you obtained the green transfer hose from & could you tell me what size it is?

Martin
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 12, 2007, 08:05:03 am: Thanks Steve k.. How long does the softner last?

Martin.. http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk in the pump section (submersible pumps)

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: pure-water on February 12, 2007, 08:14:05 am: Thanks Bazz

Just what i Need.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: steve k on February 12, 2007, 08:37:35 am: you dont change it...just keep regenerating it with the salt.

I assume there must be some sort of shelf life to the resin but I have been using the same softening resin for coming up to 2 years now.
I still have half a bag so may change it just to clear the shed.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Clear Vision on February 12, 2007, 06:30:31 pm: What submersible pump do you use and how long does it take to transfer/fill up your van tank?

Clear Vision
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 12, 2007, 08:46:22 pm: Got my submersible pump from Gardiners and fills my 650L tank in around 5 mins.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: poole bay on February 12, 2007, 09:50:08 pm: where did you get the hose reel from mate it looks smaller than the normal hose pipe
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 12, 2007, 09:55:13 pm: Got it here...

http://www.cleantech.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_41&products_id=266

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Chris Cottrell on February 13, 2007, 09:30:48 pm: So did you find out what happens to the pump when you shut off the tap on the end of the hose?

Chris
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Clear Vision on February 13, 2007, 09:34:06 pm: Quote from: Bazzy1999 on February 12, 2007, 08:46:22 pm
Got my submersible pump from Gardiners and fills my 650L tank in around 5 mins.

Bazz...

Baz,

Is your pump 12v or mains operated?

Would your pump manage to pump 30ft to my van which is about 2m higher than my ibc tank?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 13, 2007, 09:35:25 pm: Oh sorry Chris forgot to let you know ::) ..... the pump keeps on going.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 13, 2007, 09:38:40 pm: Its a mains one and yes im sure it will pump 30ft as there is plenty of pressure.

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Clear Vision on February 13, 2007, 09:41:30 pm: If you don't mind me asking baz, how much did it cost?

Cheers

Matthew
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 13, 2007, 09:46:31 pm: The pump cost £54 that include delivery and vat
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Clear Vision on February 13, 2007, 09:48:12 pm: Thats cheap! What size of hose does it take? How much would the hose cost me? 30ft :o
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 13, 2007, 09:50:19 pm: I got it all from Gardiners.

http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Bazzy1999 on February 14, 2007, 08:50:18 am: Quote from: steve k on February 12, 2007, 06:53:23 am
I take it that is a DI vessel on top of the tank?
Is that wheelie bin in use at all?
To protect your RO membrane, get another DI vessel and fit it in the hose line before your 2 prefilters. Fill it with water softening resin.
Also get a clear plastic 10" salt vessel with hose in and hose out with basic hoselocks on. This is just bolted to the wall and is independant of the filter system.
After every tank fill, put regeneration salt in the plastic vessel, connect your hose pipe to the inlet side of this vessel and connect the outlet hose of the vessel to the inlet on your softerner vessel...from the outlet on your softerner vessel, connect a length of hose and run to drain.
Turn tap on and the salt is dissolved into the water stream and runs through your softerner vessel removing all the calcium and magnesium that the softerner takes out the water...when the salt vessel has clear water in it, turn off tap and disconnect hoses...reconnecting the hose line to the inlet of your now regenerated softerner vessel.
This ensures all calcium and magnesium are removed from the water before they get near your pre filters and more importantly, your RO membrane.

Is it worth the extra money to get a softner + salt + the extra vessels as my tap TDS is around 250

cheers

Bazz...
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: Chris Cottrell on February 14, 2007, 09:10:37 am: I sometimes wonder why you guys go for these 40/40 RO's with all the extra back washing and salt regen etc , when i think of flushing my RO its just a case of turning the flush valve over for 10/15 mins job done

Maybe i'm not seeing the bigger picture :-\

Chris
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: steve k on February 14, 2007, 02:17:35 pm: we don`t HAVE to have water softerner in place...this is optional in order to prolong the life of the membrane.
Flushing a 4040 is exactly the same...turn the tap on and allow a full flow of water through the RO for 10-15 minutes and its done.

The main reason for a 4040 is quicker production of water.
I get 400 litres in 4 hours.

Saying that, mine came with the set up I purchased...looking at the price of one new...I would think twice!!
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: U.S. wfp USER on February 14, 2007, 05:00:12 pm: Steve do you use a pump to acheive that?

'400 litres in 4hours'
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: steve k on February 14, 2007, 05:21:31 pm: no...normal tap pressure and I have never measured the PSI of my tap water...it certainly doesn`t gush out but has a good flow from the tap.
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: U.S. wfp USER on February 14, 2007, 05:33:37 pm: Do you have a valve on the reject water going out of the RO?

Is this how you acheive the results?

You must be recovering a large amount of the water?
Title: Re: Stage by Stage Van Setup
Post by: steve k on February 17, 2007, 06:42:41 am: I have a valve on the ro to change the ratio of pure/waste water. It runs at 50% giving a good stream of water from the ro at average of 004TDS and an equally good (bad) stream going to waste.