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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: markybop on January 16, 2007, 09:44:24 pm

Title: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: markybop on January 16, 2007, 09:44:24 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: Clear Vision on January 16, 2007, 09:46:44 pm
 :o :o :o


No one footing  :o

No stabiliser fitted?? (as far as i can see)

Rather you than me
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: Clear Vision on January 16, 2007, 09:48:14 pm
£70?
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: Clear Vision on January 16, 2007, 09:50:20 pm
i did have sumone to foot the ladder but then he started takin pics!

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: craig jwc on January 16, 2007, 09:52:57 pm
I didn't think you could work at that height from a ladder anymore with the new WAHR ???

I might be wrong

Craig
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: shammy davis jnr on January 16, 2007, 09:54:02 pm
nintey quid our two pound per linner meter which ever was greater
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: s woodliff on January 16, 2007, 10:01:24 pm
ah i rekcon a quick easy fifty bangers
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: craig jwc on January 16, 2007, 10:02:26 pm
£90
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: S.A.J on January 16, 2007, 10:07:05 pm
I would say £50 get it done in an hour.

Stuart
SAJ Window Cleaners Ltd
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: s woodliff on January 16, 2007, 10:09:13 pm
i could be wrong but some of the lads on her seem a bit on the steep side mabey there just in a better area tho
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: KarlJones on January 17, 2007, 01:18:49 am
50 quid + the cost of a cherry picker and driver.
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: seanmcshane on January 17, 2007, 06:33:06 am
not in a million years should you be doing that in the way you have posted. Forget pictures, get the clown on the camera to foot the ladder.
Get a set of stand offs. They fit quickly and easily to the ladder and hold you away up to 24" from the wall of the building. They prevent sideways movement and they stop you resting your ladders on gutters which is suicidal - I cannot believe you have done THAT!

your top extension is on the SECOND rung of the middle extension. Should be a minimum of 3 rung overlap. Serious risk of ladder collapse.

You are a serious if not fatal accident waiting to happen. Stop now and think a bit more safely.

£50 is way too cheap as well regardless of how blocked or clear they were. The job is priced as if they are blocked from end to end. If they are not, you have been paid to inspect and report.
That is at least £100.00 done safely.

You should have someone footing the ladder, ladder stand off fitted
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: supernova77 on January 17, 2007, 08:11:56 am
I agree with seanmcshane!

The way you've done the job is far too risky!

Andy
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: S_RICHARDSON on January 17, 2007, 08:24:41 am
I agree with seanmcshane!

The way you've done the job is far too risky!

Andy
Aslong as he doesn't over stretch then I think he'd be ok the only dodgy thing there is resting on the gutter which could be slippy! ;)
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: DASERVICES on January 17, 2007, 09:24:24 am
Marky, I charge £15 per section of gutter. No offense but look at the WAHR guidance on extending your ladders, your top section is only sitting on a top rung.

Jobs like that a I use a ladder stay which means your ladders are not on the gutter.

Doug
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: supernova77 on January 17, 2007, 09:51:01 am
I charge £1.50 per foot, which includes cleaning the outside of the gutter.

I have a few guttering jobs lined up... But I'm not doing them until I get my gutter lance because I hate doing gutters off of a ladder!

Andy
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: KarlJones on January 17, 2007, 02:46:44 pm
well heres 10 that I can run off the top of my head that a HSE could fire out.

1, no helmet
2, no harness
3, over extended ladder (weakens the safe working load)
4, resting on a gutter
5, standing on toes to over reach upwards
6, ladder base is on soft ground
7, no "at work" signs
8, working sideways on a ladder
9, ladder base is resting on unsafe land (land supported by an old stone wall only)
10, freind more interested in taking pics than footing ladder.

bear in mind that usually it is when you have several contributing factors comming together that accidents happen and I think it is safe to say that under current laws you would have probably been closed down if this had been spotted by a HSE.

I know I am new, and that sounds harsh, but it is what I can see.  If I was a HSE I would have no problem at all serving you with a stop trading notice.  I would lose very little sleep over it.  I would feel like I had just saved a life.

That picture is probably all the evidence they need to justify clamping down on you too.  I wouldn't have posted it.

PS,  looking at the actual house, I would say it was meant for standoffs,  those bits of wood underneath the gutter look perfect for preventing sideways movment and turns it into a much safer job if they are used.
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: seanmcshane on January 17, 2007, 03:04:47 pm
what concerns me is if Olly is taking the photograph and Stan is up the ladder, who is looking after the horses?

How can anyone condone that type of working?
Looks like old iron guttering too. One crack and the ladder is gone.
A bit of movement from that ground above the stone wall and same again, another statistic.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: russ_clark on January 17, 2007, 03:14:30 pm
I want to know who is cleaning the chimney ???
look closely  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: seanmcshane on January 17, 2007, 03:17:06 pm
might be the policeman with the mustache and the turn in his eye!
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: seanmcshane on January 17, 2007, 03:27:57 pm
here they are setting up before getting the camera out -

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/stek67/hogwild.gif)

Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: ducky on January 17, 2007, 03:28:35 pm
what did u all do before wfp u all slag the way he done the job but i bet u all done that ur selfs.i do gutters that way ever time i do them.if u have the wfp and u have to get on a flat roof.who holds ur ladders for u to go up....
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: poleman on January 17, 2007, 03:31:57 pm
i do gutters that way ever time i do them

More fool you then...

Andy
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: seanmcshane on January 17, 2007, 03:35:10 pm
carry on like that Ducky and you will end up riding off to the great gutter clean in the sky!

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/stek67/cowboy.jpg)

by the way, what has this got to do with WFP?
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: DASERVICES on January 17, 2007, 03:38:46 pm
Marky,

Do your self a favour mate and delete your pics and post as you will get some stick once the rest of the brigade get home.

And some on this post need their hands slapped speaking to a fellow w/c bro ;D ;D

Have sent you mail.

Doug
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: s woodliff on January 17, 2007, 03:46:12 pm
i agree with u ducky !!!!!!!!!!     
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: Fast Eddie ! on January 17, 2007, 03:53:57 pm
Geezo, there was absolutely no danger in what he was doing !

completely Calm day as far as wind goes.

i think you can take safety too far sometimes, but some of the comments are a bit on the paranoid side. . . . .

 8)
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: poleman on January 17, 2007, 04:11:22 pm
Having just agreed it wasn't maybe that safe! Its a term of your license! that you have to abide to health & safety rules and regulations! being a follow window cleaner I would advice to be carefully, putting up your work practices
 
Andy 
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: KarlJones on January 17, 2007, 04:25:47 pm
I would like to add, that it is very very easy for us as we have time to study the photo and the photo was taken after work started.  I did not mean to critacise your work and neither should anyone else.  I was not there at the time.

I am sure if you took a photo of me at work and then studied it you would find a dozen things wrong.

My own post was mearly saying "these are things that I can see wrong" and not saying something nasty, as chances are with my inexperience I would be far less capable of doing the job as safe as you.  Hindsight is a wonderfull thing and I had it.

Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: Sir Squeaky on January 17, 2007, 04:59:10 pm
I hate going that height, and I generally don't now, but if you're happy enough mark, go for it.

Ignore the girls on here.
Very tiresome!

Oh, and 50 quid odd...ish...maybe... ;D
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: supernova77 on January 17, 2007, 05:16:19 pm
Its fine doing gutters off of a ladder... But the ladder was maxed out which is always a danger!

Andy
Title: Re: Gutter Cleaning (Pics)
Post by: window wonder on January 17, 2007, 05:31:57 pm
PEOPLE ARE DOING YOU A FAVOUR MARKYBOP !!!!

maybe next time you will think of some of the concerns your fellow w/c are voicing,
most of them dont even know you and are showing concern so, please mate dont do any dodgy work like that .
im sure we would hate to hear that something terrible happened to you. we are only looking out for you.
but as your buisness expands and matures you will come to realise its simply not worth the money if you end up injured,  take care fellow w/c that goes to all of you.