Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: rich hand on December 29, 2006, 01:38:52 pm
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Black top has become a bit of a mystery to me after reading these forums. It seems some will attempt to clean it and others wont. Maybe it is only the TM owners who can remove it? I did think it would be possible using a presrpay and bonnet machine before HWE with a portable. Now I am not sure after only just managing to remove a small area in this way. What is the deal here? Do many carpet cleaners simplyh never enter the pub/club environment with their gear?
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Hi
I have used Prochems Traffic Lane clean on Pub Black Top Carpets and it has come out a treat. You do need to agitate a lot but once it softens up it cleans up really well.
Blitz is also very good but is hard to get hold of.
CHeers
Neil
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portable/ champion pre spay/ intank formula 90
plenty of aggitation, problem solved :)
Geoff
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Cheers
I actually used prochems traffic clean. What agitation would you advise? I dont actually own one anymore and just use a brush.
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Good portable.
Enzall Prespray. Plenty dwell time.
Envirodry or similar for agitation, if you don`t have a rotary.
http://www.cleansmartsupplies.co.uk/acatalog/Envirodry_Envirodri.html
Cheers
Rab,
Suffering from Xmas fun and still got New Year to go :-\
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Hot water and plenty of passes. Will come off eventually whether what chemical you use.
Chris
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Rich
Work is work and a good earner. :-X ;)
Porty people (sometimes me ;D) should not be afraid to tackle black top, it not rocket science as some will lead to believe but hard work to a point! 8)
In my case be it tm or porty dwell time is the key! No longer agitate only have a Duo and rotaries, (duo waist of time, rotary can stick/stop on bad stuff) have considered the bigger brothers to the duo only two thing concern me the state of the machine after the black top and the warranty (not designed for dirty carpets ;D )
They’re a lot of pre-sprays out there; no need to spend more money than necessary a quality steamer would be more useful I take it you have Wrigley out there?
Neil
“Blitz hard to get hold of” sad think their may an alterative comes from Woodbridge was given some and not by them it’s good!
Chris
Hot water not very energy efficient ;D
Len
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Energy efficent? explain?
Chris
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Have used Blitz on many a black encrusted carpet.
Look at www.hydramaster.co.uk
Works without agitation but brushes spped up the process.
Nigel
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Hot pre-spray of Bane Pre Face, Dwell, Extract using a RED HOT - SKIN BLISTERING in tank solution of Bane PCA5 with emulon booster served so hot the brass conectors will take skin off your fingers.
I clean the whole black top area using only one hand on the wand, cuts through like a knife through butter. Its almost as easy as sleeping.
Peter
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We used to do dozens of these using portables. Best bet is to pre-treat then continue doing remainder of carpet and keep returning to tackle the worst area. The brewery we worked for only had them cleaned when the environmental health told them to so you can imagine how bad they were.
Used a variety of chemicals over the years, most of them worked but even resorted to pouring water from a kettle to dissolve some of them.
No it didn't damage the wool any more than it already was.
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I do not think its a problem.
I would have thought your Sebo Duo along with say Traffic Clean would break it up.
As a matter of interest I was talking to a Cleaner the otherday who uses a Watering can to apply Pre Spray.
I have always laughed at this in the past but did start to wonder if he had a point.
Does Anyone else use a Waterig can
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Unless you are using an in=line sprayer with a truckmount or maybe even a portable then whats wrong with a watering can? Its just about the same as a pump up sprayer. Anyway in answer to your question Ian, I use a watering can when I clean area rugs. Best, Dave.
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Oh Dave was it you ;D ;D
Yes I do remember the picture
No this was a cleaner in a nursing Home
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Chris
There are some who recon if you use the right-cleaning agents you don’t need hot water, thus saving the planet or is buy from me ;D
Nigel
Yes Blitz is good, but if hard to get hold off, one must look a for an alternative (also think it a lot cheaper but don’t hold me to that) ???
Ian
Did the chap who used a watering can go too the day out in Essex, think he may have got the idea from me (must use a fine rose) :o :-[ ;D
Still recon Dou a waist of time!
A bit of black top will sort the men from the boys :P ;D
Len
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Len's got some decent pics of black top that he cleaned ;D
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Steve
Stopped taken them now, people nick them for there portfolio :o :-* :( ;D
First black top is the toughest! So naïve so you do it by the book, next one fine rose, John K defiantly hit the nail on the head (No it didn't damage the wool any more than it already was) but what I will add watch the seams (they probably got gaff tape on any way ;D)
Len
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I haven't had the pleasure of a pub blacktop yet but did a very nasty one about six months ago in a rental prop.
The hall carpet leading from the kitchen was black and tar like,looked just like black ice.
Warm pre-spray gold,agitation,dwell,another prespray just before commencing,Extracta C2 solution, lots of heat and the carpet came up like new.
When first starting out you think no way is that carpet going to clean up but it still amazes me what one can get out of a minging carpet.
John
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cleaned a resteraunt yesterday. it was really greasy and had plenty of black top
found it a complete nightmare!!
first used some m-power as i was told of its miracle effect on black top
DID'NT TOUCH IT
then used a enzyme pre spray, got a lot out, then tried a citrus pre spray for really greasy areas it says on the bottle, this was much more effective , used my porty and my rotovac.
no matter what i used, it still did'nt come as clean as i wanted it to,customer was pleased with the results but i was'nt personally.
used a huge amount of water and just seemed to spend most of the time emptying and filling machine
NEVER HAD I WISHED SO MUCH THAT I HAD A TRUCKMOUNT TO TACKLE THIS JOB
can't wait to get mine now its on order.
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why that then brights clean?
what differnce would it make if you cant shift it with your porty why would you shift it with your t/m
let me guess..................... oh yes bigger ,of course should have realised ;)
not that portys cant get 1000psi or plenty of heat ;)
geoff
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Why pray tell, is "BLITZ" hard to get?.....why not give them a ring and order it ??? 08707 666998 ....or order it online www.hydramaster.co.uk (http://www.hydramaster.co.uk)
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I treat black top (Knock on wood!!) with power burst. However must try Blitz!!.
The way i treat it is to usually prespray said area at the start, agitate and then continue on cleaner areas. Come back to it then repeat if necessary (which it usually is!!!)
I was also told that mpower was the new Messiah on Black top. However recently cleaned a really dirty "domestic" kitchen carpet. Pre-sprayed with mpower more than normal m/s, agitated and let dwell for at least 20mins. Results were nothing short of abysmal. had to revert back to power burst and it came up a treat.
I must say that im a big fan of mpower on suites and certain carpets but it seems on black top it's pointless.
Will
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Why pray tell, is "BLITZ" hard to get?...let me guess..you all rely on your local supplier....why not give them a ring and order it 08707 666998 ....or order it online www.hydramaster.co.uk
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why that then brights clean?
what differnce would it make if you cant shift it with your porty why would you shift it with your t/m
let me guess..................... oh yes bigger ,of course should have realised ;)
not that portys cant get 1000psi or plenty of heat ;)
umm i run portys and i can get 1000psi and steaming hot water, and i dont hav pay fuel costs, and i dont hav to run a huge van, and i can clean as fast as good, and i dont fill with a bucket, and i dont hav to empty, and i aint got huge lease to pay, and hey guess what ? am laughing all the way to the bank ;D
p.s and im not waiting for that specal tax whats gooner get lumped on using a gaz guzzling truckmount
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cleaning co,
why have you pitched 2 quotes into 1box?
looks like it is I who has qouted all of it, this is not the case :)
although I am not disageering with you ;)
Geoff
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lol anit got clue how i done that lol think i need a computer course ;D
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i have a truck-mount and it's no easier to clean black-top with one than with a portable, it's all down to chemical used and the agitation, you do have more water available for rinsing though.
cb
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on black top I find the key is to get the pre-spray really worked in. So I use my rotary with a really stiff brush then 'edge it' I tilt the rotary 90 degrees so the brush is on its side then run across the blacktop. It cuts into the muck. and gets the pre-spray all the way in
not something for a beginner to try, it takes a lot of strength & control
Mike
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As Mike says the secret is to make sure the pre-spray penetrates the dirt. Maybe a good idea would be to make a black top perforator simililar to the chewing gum perforators. This could be made with a small block of wood with some sharp nails pushed through it.
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Mike
Know about tipping a rotary and the cost afterwards on redecoration.
John
What do you recon? This has got to be the bee’s knees for perforation
(http://img297.i.us/img297/7312/sulaw119901mn2.jpg)
Len
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I'm not a fan of Ashbys, but the wand they supply for chewing gum removal is excellent for this type of task, following a good lane cleaner type, prespray.
robbie
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that was my point cbt, the constant filling and emptying was driving me bloody mad
still gonna get a truckmount though!
never tried blitz, must have a go
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Hi All
How do you sort the black top out on a stairs - wouldnt be able to use a rotary machine there to get the prespray in - Is it back to the brush?
Any advice welcomed.
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good old fashioned elbow grease and a hand brush!!
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HEAT, HEAT and more heat,
hot prespray
hot solution, extremely hot......................... ;D
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I regularly use the Oreck Orbiter on stairs, prespray with Blitz then agitate with either orange or black brush depending on carpet type prior to extraction, always works for me.
Nigel.
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Geoff
will you please stop picking on t/m users :'(
you know its all to do with flushing ;)
just teasing ;D
Conrad